Cities Skylines II

[Hellion]

“There is no economy..."

Not really true, e.g. in my first city I started making a profit when I began to export excess electricity as well as create more farms in order to stop importing so much wheat/meats. You can even import garbage and sewage to make more money if your city can handle their disposal/treatment.

PS Turns out the game's performance issues might be due to high-poly NPC teeth lmao

https://www.dexerto.com/gaming/citi...as-the-reason-for-performance-issues-2355255/

 

[Black]

As someone said on the paradox forums, “There is no economy, traffic exists only to populate the roads. This isn’t a game, its only purpose is for people to make pretty ‘cities’”.

Of course, it isn’t fundamentally different from CS1 in that regard. What astounding decline, Sim City is quite literally lost technology.

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...anagement-in-the-game-is-a-deception.1604434/
lol
lomao

 

[RobotSquirrel]

PS Turns out the game's performance issues might be due to high-poly NPC teeth lmao

AHAHAHAHA There's like a good 100-200 tris in there. God damn.. God damn lol You could've done an entire character for the price of those teeth lol *laughs in low-poly artist*
ITS RUNNING IN HDRP!..... ... what the hell. No wonder it runs like shit. HDRP isn't for games like city builders, its supposed to be for games that are going for photo realism in small scale - because it doesn't work when you scale it up it ends up looking like crap and running terribly, you'd never use it in the context they've used it here, URP is the better option for games like this. Just gigantic big brain stuff here.

 

[Fedora Master]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...ally-need-to-build-any-city-services.1604509/

You don't actually need to build any city services.

Oh, you will need to at the start, but once you get up and running, and able to connect water, sewage and power to the outside world, you can actually bulldoze all those services.

You don't need hospitals, police, fire, garbage collection, recycling, cemeteries, anything. Everything will come very cheaply from the outside world.

If you're worried about money, then just build the massive water plant and export it all. Or build large coal plants and export all of that. More than enough to cover the cost of outsourcing all city services.

The outside world will happily do everything for you. How did this not get picked up by QA?

 

[Caim]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...ally-need-to-build-any-city-services.1604509/

You don't actually need to build any city services.

Oh, you will need to at the start, but once you get up and running, and able to connect water, sewage and power to the outside world, you can actually bulldoze all those services.

You don't need hospitals, police, fire, garbage collection, recycling, cemeteries, anything. Everything will come very cheaply from the outside world.

If you're worried about money, then just build the massive water plant and export it all. Or build large coal plants and export all of that. More than enough to cover the cost of outsourcing all city services.

The outside world will happily do everything for you. How did this not get picked up by QA?

It gets better.

Actually, you dont need to have citizens. (Or residents.) Someone never build residential housing, and getting workers from outside city to work at factories and shops...

 

[Joggerino]

What a disaster.
Simcity (2023) is miles ahead in the city simulation aspect, it's only major flaw is that it's designed around small maps.

 

[Fedora Master]

This is some SimCity 2013 level of bullshit fakery.
At least the poop and electricity particles can't get congested... right?

 

[RobotSquirrel]

Simcity (2023) is miles ahead in the city simulation aspect, it's only major flaw is that it's designed around small maps.

well that and always online multiplayer

 

[Caim]

Isn't that the dude who sent pictures of his penis to children?

 

[Alienman]

Simcity had zero population simulation. It just picked the nearest every time. However, this looks way more disappointing, since the stuff that is broken is supposed to be improved. Like the economy. Wtf happened here. I actually don't blame Paradox... I mean, the teeth thing. That reeks of making use of interns.

 

[RobotSquirrel]

You cant make this shit up. All the character meshes are AI Generated. They basically paid money for something no better than MakeHuman which is free and produces way better results LOL.
https://premortem.games/2023/04/13/...with-the-creation-of-digital-game-characters/
https://colossalorder.fi/?p=2049

I only use makehuman for a scale placeholder, I'd never implement it as shippable.
They do know Metahuman and Iclone CC exist right lol. Iclone will even animate the thing for you.

 

[Keshik]

Guess this will be worth playing once it gets patched up. Well and when I get around to affording a new PC.

 

[Stokowski]

When a senior dies their dog gets stuck at the cemetery, eventually creating literal dog-piles.

GG.

 

[Stavrophore]

PS Turns out the game's performance issues might be due to high-poly NPC teeth lmao

AHAHAHAHA There's like a good 100-200 tris in there. God damn.. God damn lol You could've done an entire character for the price of those teeth lol *laughs in low-poly artist*
ITS RUNNING IN HDRP!..... ... what the hell. No wonder it runs like shit. HDRP isn't for games like city builders, its supposed to be for games that are going for photo realism in small scale - because it doesn't work when you scale it up it ends up looking like crap and running terribly, you'd never use it in the context they've used it here, URP is the better option for games like this. Just gigantic big brain stuff here.

They outsource shit and don't even check it. We had hit peak "i don't give a fuck" and retards are still paying for these games.
Reminds me of Windows Longhorn where microsoft outsourced code to some japanese company and it was a mess after they checked it

 

[RobotSquirrel]

They outsource shit and don't even check it.

Its an AI tool. But yeah I'm shocked that no one even checked to see what meshes they were putting in the game. That's one of the most basic fucking things a game developer does.
You make an asset manifest and go through and check them off one by one, standard QA procedure standard implementation procedure. Its wonderful that they can't even do the bare minimum now.
We're down to even established studios, even AAA studios, doing kickstarter scam level quality.

 

[Stavrophore]

They outsource shit and don't even check it.

Its an AI tool. But yeah I'm shocked that no one even checked to see what meshes they were putting in the game. That's one of the most basic fucking things a game developer does.
You make an asset manifest and go through and check them off one by one, standard QA procedure standard implementation procedure. Its wonderful that they can't even do the bare minimum now.
We're down to even established studios, even AAA studios, doing kickstarter scam level quality.

The tech bubble will eventually pop, whatever they do now to keep margin profits will not be sustainable. Exepect correction on the job market and stocks.

 

[Elim]

Called the asset problem, wasn't there like a stack of barrels in Skylines 1 that had like ten thousands of tri's?

But this is so much worse than unoptimized assets, this shows they lack fundamental knowledge about basic 3d shit. Not even a junior artist would make this error.

 

[Alienman]

They outsource shit and don't even check it.

Makes me wonder what devs even do nowadays since now even the story is outsourced.

 

[Fedora Master]

It runs like ass even without any citizens in the city. Also looks like ass.

 

[Fedora Master]

This... is not a roundabout?

 

[Stavrophore]

Is this z-fighting or too low shadow bias value?

 

[Caim]

View attachment 42727

This... is not a roundabout?

Nope, because roundabouts legally require signage. This is just a round crossing.

 

[RobotSquirrel]

New tech jesus video on the subject.
Yep Unity's shitty Shadows strikes again. And the 1.0 release had a broken GI implementation which has now been "fixed" but is still pretty bad cause HDRP gonna do that lol.
And yeah their absolute derpy implementation of the Texture quality.

I really love this level of scrutiny.

 

[Fedora Master]

The performance issues are distracting people from all the other idiotic bullshit going on.
Why is the first graveyard you get bigger than most of your town at that point?

 

[Elim]

A modder confirms that the "Cims" have 46k fucking polys. Disabling them gives a 20 FPS boost. Who needs LOD's anyway.
If they fuck up basic shit like this, I wonder what else is broken.