Incline Chris Avellone Appreciation Station

[Sensuki]

Well you have to question why he was doing it in the first place, was it because in the company they were tying his hands ?

They made Chris be their convention man, and he toured around the world giving presentations. It seems like they tried to keep him from having much input into their games after a certain point.

The partnership with inXile before the PE KS was beneficial for Obsidian because they got money from inXile for licensing their dialogue tool.

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

They probably don't want to release his novel because that involves editing, which means a lot of back and forth communication.

Pretty much. He only submitted 1st draft. In other words, he submitted unfinished drivel that needs a lot of polish. Clearly he's not willing to work on that very much now that he's out, and they don't care much for it either. Catch 22.

 

[Infinitron]

They probably don't want to release his novel because that involves editing, which means a lot of back and forth communication. And since there was a fight when he left, they decided to cut off all communication entirely and pretend he doesn't even exist at this point. Pretending something "bad" doesn't exist is how Obsidian deals with everything. Childish behavior.

Josh did mention Avellone approvingly in a recent interview...

 

[Fairfax]

The weirdest thing about it is that they literally have the draft for a complete novel sitting around "for a long time", and instead of using it, they ordered a bunch of short stories from the other writers.

They probably don't want to release his novel because that involves editing, which means a lot of back and forth communication.

Pretty much. He only submitted 1st draft. In other words, he submitted unfinished drivel that needs a lot of polish. Clearly he's not willing to work on that very much now that he's out, and they don't care much for it either. Catch 22.

How could they know whether he wants to work on it or not when he's saying he hasn't heard from them in a long time?

They probably don't want to release his novel because that involves editing, which means a lot of back and forth communication. And since there was a fight when he left, they decided to cut off all communication entirely and pretend he doesn't even exist at this point. Pretending something "bad" doesn't exist is how Obsidian deals with everything. Childish behavior.

Josh did mention Avellone approvingly in a recent interview...

That's a first since PoE's launch. For some reason they avoided mentioning each other's name since then, and in the panel about PoE's development not only MCA wasn't mentioned, but Josh said everything that was cut was just bad. He backtracked later, but I don't buy it.

 

[Cosmo]

They probably don't want to release his novel because that involves editing, which means a lot of back and forth communication. And since there was a fight when he left, they decided to cut off all communication entirely and pretend he doesn't even exist at this point. Pretending something "bad" doesn't exist is how Obsidian deals with everything. Childish behavior.

Josh did mention Avellone approvingly in a recent interview...

Indeed, i really don't see those guys fighting : not only is Obsidian's corporate policy practically based on cooptation and friendliness, but also look how Avellone's online presence revolves almost entirely around declaring how awesome everyone is...
Remember this is an industry where people are deathly afraid of burning bridges.

Most probable scenario here is Avellone growing more and more frustrated. He's a workaholic, which takes its toll, and not that young anymore, he's seen more than his share of canceled projects, projects where he put a lot of himself as a writer, and finally he sees his company veering towards Sawyer's brand of project managing : rational but sober and terse, and prone to cutting non critical content. I guess he respects Sawyer but didn't find enough room for his creativity under his lead on PoE, so instead of exploding and pointlessly pissing everyone off, he just left.
And Sawyer approving of him is not suprising : compliments don't cost anything and i imagine him being at least a little relieved not to have to manage that behemoth anymore (i say that both in terms of his prestige and the way he works)...

 

[Roguey]

Avellone locks himself in his office for a few weeks, writes a tome worth of character dialogue, prints it out and dumps it on Sawyer's desk for implementation. Sawyer sighs and tells him that they can't possibly put all this into the game; Avellone shrugs.

Then it happens again.

 

[Irenaeus II]

Is the man that autistic? I refuse to believe your Sawyeristic lies.

 

[Cosmo]

Avellone locks himself in his office for a few weeks, writes a tome worth of character dialogue, prints it out and dumps it on Sawyer's desk for implementation. Sawyer sighs and tells him that they can't possibly put all this into the game; Avellone shrugs.

Then it happens again.

Now i can't help but wonder if them exchanging positions could have made a better game (and of course this is rhetorical, i already know damn well what you think )...

 

[Irenaeus II]

Roguey hates Avellone's writting.

 

[Roguey]

Roguey hates Avellone's writting.

No I don't.

Is the man that autistic? I refuse to believe your Sawyeristic lies.

As mentioned earlier in the thread, Ulysess had to be cut because Avellone wrote too much dialogue. Then Durance and Grieving Mother's dialogues had to be cut because they were significantly longer than everyone else's.

Obviously he didn't really lock himself in his office for weeks or actually print them out.

 

[Irenaeus II]

So what do you think of his writting then?

 

[Infinitron]

I wonder if there are similar stories from pre-FO:NV games, like Mask of the Betrayer.

 

[Sannom]

- MCA doesn't follow Feargus, Sawyer, Adam Brennecke, Eric Fenstermaker or Brandon Adler;

Two of those, Urquhart and Adler, make sense : they post once every six months, I don't think Avellone realized they were there.

Well you have to question why he was doing it in the first place, was it because in the company they were tying his hands ?

And then it will turn out that Urquhart, noticing Avellone's behavior, asked him "Do you really want to stay at Obsidian?". The same way he told him "Go see a doctor." at the end of Torment's development.

I wonder if there are similar stories from pre-FO:NV games, like Mask of the Betrayer.

Doubtful. That game was also very wordy.

 

[Roguey]

So what do you think of his writting then?

Sometimes it's all right, sometimes it isn't.

I wonder if there are similar stories from pre-FO:NV games, like Mask of the Betrayer.

I remember that he was originally only supposed to do Gann but managed to save Kaelyn who would have otherwise been cut.

 

[Fairfax]

- MCA doesn't follow Feargus, Sawyer, Adam Brennecke, Eric Fenstermaker or Brandon Adler;

Two of those, Urquhart and Adler, make sense : they post once every six months, I don't think Avellone realized they were there.

He did know they were there, although you might be right about Adler.
Feargus has mentioned MCA's twitter twice, however. Brennecke several times, and MCA replied. Same for Fenstermaker. Sawyer more often than any of them.

 

[Irenaeus II]

So what do you think of his writting then?

Sometimes it's all right, sometimes it isn't.

Shitty non-answer. You are a coward.

 

[Irenaeus II]

Your walking around some ruins in poe and by coincidence Sarevok Thaos is there casting spells and sacrificing some dudes.. and then for some reason you decide to follow him because reasons.. welcome to your player motivation up to the end of act 2.

I don't think you decide to follow him at all, I really have no idea what you were supposed to be doing. Sure, you see him obliterate some dudes, but your main goal is still to go to The First Town(tm). Your goal is that though, not your motivation. Your motivation is whatever you picked to tell what's-her-face at the tutorial. Then it gets even weirder in that you have no goal and no motivation from then on, you stumble across plots that you have no tie or interest in and somehow get to Thaos at the end of act 2.

Terrible understanding of the story all around. You pretend the dream with the magic dwarf woman never happened. Liar or retard? You decide.

 

[Irenaeus II]

They don't have to release it, they changed the Documentary DVD to some shitty notepad.

Wow. They can't even keep a simple promise.

I'd rather finish watching Chris get his ass raped by Arcanum than read his mailed in POE novella.

I'd rather have both. Arcanum anotated playthrough and Eternity novella by MCA.

Humm... Did he fuck Sawyers wife or what is going on here?

I mean.. the only reason to let this slip under the carpet is to fuck with him. Its literally lost publicity/money for them.

Finally a realistic hypothesis to this whole brouhaha. Roguey damage control is shittier than MSM attacks on Trump. Sawyer almost confirmed for cuck.

Edit: Sorry for triple-posting. I need more coffee.

 

[Infinitron]

- MCA doesn't follow Feargus, Sawyer, Adam Brennecke, Eric Fenstermaker or Brandon Adler;

Two of those, Urquhart and Adler, make sense : they post once every six months, I don't think Avellone realized they were there.

He did know they were there, although you might be right about Adler.
Feargus has mentioned MCA's twitter twice, however. Brennecke several times, and MCA replied. Same for Fenstermaker. Sawyer more often than any of them.

Surely it makes more sense to do this the other way around: https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&q=from:chrisavellone @feargus&src=typd

BTW

 

[Fairfax]

- MCA doesn't follow Feargus, Sawyer, Adam Brennecke, Eric Fenstermaker or Brandon Adler;

Two of those, Urquhart and Adler, make sense : they post once every six months, I don't think Avellone realized they were there.

He did know they were there, although you might be right about Adler.
Feargus has mentioned MCA's twitter twice, however. Brennecke several times, and MCA replied. Same for Fenstermaker. Sawyer more often than any of them.

Surely it makes more sense to do this the other way around: https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&q=from:chrisavellone @feargus&src=typd

BTW

Yes, sure. Sawyer, Brennecke, Fenstermaker. He never mentioned them again after his departure and (most likely) unfollowed them. He still follows Carrie Patel, though.

 

[Sensuki]

Reminds me of that scene in The Wire where Royce and Clay Davis are holding each others hands on the courthouse steps with smiles on their faces

 

[Irenaeus II]

I can see Fenstermaster (or whatever) behind Éder. They seem alike, or at least Éder is a version of what Fenst(...) would want to be. Interesting that he also contributed to Durance, I'd really love to see what was MCA and what was Fenst(...) and what was the discussion about Durance voice (which is indeed 10/10). If I had to guess, I'd say Fenst(...) wanted the character in more of a comical way and MCA wrote the character with a serious direction and what we have is the final result between the two views.

Reminds me of that scene in The Wire where Royce and Clay Davis are holding each others hands on the courthouse steps with smiles on their faces

No idea what you are talking about, because not everyone watches shows by far-leftists about niggers.

He still follows Carrie Patel, though.

He taps that.

 

[Stainless Veteran]

Reminds me of that scene in The Wire where Royce and Clay Davis are holding each others hands on the courthouse steps with smiles on their faces

No idea what you are talking about, because not everyone watches shows by far-leftists about niggers.

P.S. The Wire was awesome and I can highly recommend it to anyone, maybe excluding only those people who get triggered by seeing black people on TV.

 

[Irenaeus II]

Btw, I don't think MCA loves racism as much as cool people do, but I'm willing to forgive this character flaws on account of him being a great writer, superior to Sawyer, Pattel and Fenst(...).

 

[Chateaubryan]

Reminds me of that scene in The Wire where Royce and Clay Davis are holding each others hands on the courthouse steps with smiles on their faces

No idea what you are talking about, because not everyone watches shows by far-leftists about niggers.

Funny thing, MCA does, and enjoyed it to the point he wished he could work on it.

He also said the same about GITS: Stand Alone Complex. <3