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CD Projekt's Cyberpunk 2077 Update 2.0 + Phantom Liberty Expansion Thread

Hellraiser

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after around 10 hours i think i am done with it. It is just not fun to play gameplay wise.

2.0 is like step back gameplay wise not forward. Yeah they flatted out a lot but at the same time skill tree is just not fun to work with. Cyberware also was supposed to be better but at lvl 15 i don't see anything special. Unless there is cyberware bonanaza waiting to be unlocked everything feels meh. The cyberware limit is so strict that you can't install pretty much anything and that is with tech cyberware specialization, idk how non specialized can do anything with it. The tech tree gives me more health and barely 1 more granade with some small damage. Basically whole tech tree is worthless to me despite specialization.

As much as previous system had issues at least there was build diversity and too many options to choose from. Here i am wondering what should i pick because most of skills feel worthless. Reload while dashing wow. 30% better heal with last health pack wow.

I will probably roll new character in few days but for now meh..
I hit level 50 and there's some better stuff later on like second heart, very high armor cyberware, bonuses scaling with attributes and some unique cyberware in loot/quests (found a +20% or 30% critical hit chance increase unique eye implant yesterday, only it needs 50 capacity...). But besides that it's mostly choosing the rather small secondary bonuses when you upgrade to specialize your build more on rather bog-standard gear like the eye implant.

The problem indeed is that the limit is too restricting, even if I got edgerunner I have a backlog of 3 pieces of good cyberware I can't install yet and who knows if I ever will install all of them and 3 slots still free (2 in the head, since those are mostly haxx implants). They stupidly tied it mostly to player level (+3/level) and gave you almost no reliable option to increase it faster at some expense of other stats as you level up. You might get lucky and get a few cyberware capacity shards, but besides the 2 or 3 perks and leveling engineering for the bonuses there's nothing the player can do to deliberately raise it. I mentioned earlier I feared that tech is going to be mandatory and it does feel like it, the cyberware capacity related perks should have been scattered all around the attribute trees and provide specialized reductions like tied to a build/attribute somehow (reflex perk making sandevistans cost no capacity etc., INT perk reducing head slot cyberware cost).

As for the perk trees, I also noticed that sure there's less filler but there seems to be less flexibility. I remember that my Nomad Gunslinger (Tech-revolver optimized build) benefited from Reflex and Cool somehow, in addition to the meager tech-weapon bonuses from some tech perks, and by the time I finished the game around level 50-ish I still had perks in Cool (I went Reflex and Tech first) I could have benefited from if I got another few levels. Now if you want to use pistols everything is in one path in Cool and nothing in Reflex (unless you count dashing/dodging, maybe).

And at level 50-ish* I honestly have no idea what else I could get for my cyber ninja, besides edgerunner, already have 20 cool, 20 reflex, 15 tech and 15 body with INT as a dump stat. Guess dump points into INT for some haxx perks? Although to be fair, how many perks could they invent without at least partially returning to their old "borderlands style" incremental filler design philosophy the 1.0 trees had and thus reviving the original complaints? There's only so much stuff you can do around revolvers/pistols for instance without going into incremental bonuses.

*sure one can argue that my character is over-leveled but I only did at most 70% of the gigs in the game, the main quest until I could get into dogtown and a few (but still minority) of side jobs. Since enemies scale now it is easier to level as the exp doesn't drop off, so with the amount of experience giving content present in the game, even if you ignore a bunch of it like random gangoon camps, it's not that difficult to hit level 50. Previously at some point you would most likely get relatively crap experience rewards from some gigs.
 
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Yosharian

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I can't relate, it was very difficulty for me to get everything I wanted on my tech sniper build, perks-wise.

There's way too many attribute points but that allows a bit of experimentation I guess
 

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ehhh got free two days from job so i got back to it. Finally started phantom liberty and it feels like even worse than begginging fo game as everything seems on rails even more so that in heist. Like the fight with spider bot don't make fucking sense. First you run away from it and then either way you fight boss fight. Also fuck your stealth builds as well lol.

Moreover the quality of writing took huge nosedive. Like in two convos they said stuff that don't make sense and no one seems to understand that. Stuff like that didn't happen in base C77, everything was rock solid logic wise.

1. Why songbird contacted V at all and how in first place, why did she even know he exists. I assume this is supposed to be later some reveal but literally makes no sense from V perspective at the moment.

2. Second one i don't remember now but it was something president said later when drones were swooping.

Apparently DLC was written by some ex-Bioware hack and it seems to show.
 

Trithne

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The problem indeed is that the limit is too restricting, even if I got edgerunner I have a backlog of 3 pieces of good cyberware I can't install yet and who knows if I ever will install all of them and 3 slots still free (2 in the head, since those are mostly haxx implants). They stupidly tied it mostly to player level (+3/level) and gave you almost no reliable option to increase it faster at some expense of other stats as you level up. You might get lucky and get a few cyberware capacity shards, but besides the 2 or 3 perks and leveling engineering for the bonuses there's nothing the player can do to deliberately raise it. I mentioned earlier I feared that tech is going to be mandatory and it does feel like it, the cyberware capacity related perks should have been scattered all around the attribute trees and provide specialized reductions like tied to a build/attribute somehow (reflex perk making sandevistans cost no capacity etc., INT perk reducing head slot cyberware cost).

Agree that the capacity should go up faster, to alleviate the need for tech. I also think that all the "3-slot" cyberware types should be limit to 2 slots, and then you unlock the third with a perk on the relevant attribute, so Int for headware, Body for skinware, etc.

Some ware scales with attributes, like Sandevistans last longer the more Reflexes you have.

Considering there's a perk that rewards you for filling every slot, they expect you to be able to do it, but it seems to be a bit dodgy to do so.

They also seem to assume people will just stick with hacking, as shown by Int being 80% hacking perks and headware being almost exclusively hacking related.
 

lukaszek

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those of you who are playing with katanas exclusively, how do you deal with red skulls carrying heavy machineguns?
Can sneak on them and take down, but obviously its not always possible.
Cant just keep on blocking, too many bullets.
If I get in range attacks are not enough. Cant stun, enemy just fires at point blank killing me.

Obviously can throw a knife or use hacks to disable, still it feels like I might be missing something.
 

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those of you who are playing with katanas exclusively, how do you deal with red skulls carrying heavy machineguns?
Can sneak on them and take down, but obviously its not always possible.
Cant just keep on blocking, too many bullets.
If I get in range attacks are not enough. Cant stun, enemy just fires at point blank killing me.

Obviously can throw a knife or use hacks to disable, still it feels like I might be missing something.
flashbang maybe like a ninja
 

Hellraiser

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those of you who are playing with katanas exclusively, how do you deal with red skulls carrying heavy machineguns?
Can sneak on them and take down, but obviously its not always possible.
Cant just keep on blocking, too many bullets.
If I get in range attacks are not enough. Cant stun, enemy just fires at point blank killing me.

Obviously can throw a knife or use hacks to disable, still it feels like I might be missing something.

In Phantom Liberty you can pick the relic perk showing vulnerabilities (costs 3 points though, so either at the start when Songbird gives the first 3 or after you find some terminals), attacking that should stun them/knock them down in addition to doing massive damage(tm). It makes fights easier in general.

The final blades perk in reflex grants you dismemberment chance which should also help with them, and anyway you should be a killing machine with katanas by that point from all the previous perks, at some point after getting it I stopped noticing the HMG gangoons on very hard, where as earlier at reflex 15 I did struggle when trying to go head on with just the katana, and had to use stealth/throwing knives instead to pick off the harder enemies. The finisher makes it easier to kill them before they fill you with bullets. Bear in mind I also got 15 body for the tank/survivability perks before I got reflex to 20.

I guess the mitigation buff from dashing might help, but I don't use it much unless fighting bosses or something like one of the Animals gangoons with a hammer.

Finally you can just use the berserk OS implant instead of the sandevistan or cyberdeck. In 2.0 it makes you immortal for a time, enough to soak HMG rounds and hack away with the weeb sword. Personally I use the cyberdeck because I like the utility for stealthier approaches, but it is an option.
 
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lukaszek

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Personally I use the cyberdeck because I like the utility for stealthier approaches, but it is an option.
yeah i dont even consider switching away from cyberdeck. I enjoy hacking devices too much.

The final blades perk in reflex grants you dismemberment chance which should also help with them
sounds like relying on rng

I guess the mitigation buff from dashing might help, but I don't use it much unless fighting bosses or something like one of the Animals gangoons with a hammer.
i got high cool, im in constant crouch mode with high mitigation bonuses

flashbang maybe like a ninja
that makes so much sense, i must admit i stopped using grenades, i explode environment instead
 

Hellraiser

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The final blades perk in reflex grants you dismemberment chance which should also help with them
sounds like relying on rng
Sure, but you get so many hits in anyway in such a short time with all the perks it's guaranteed to happen fairly fast when chopping away at some bullet (or in this case blade) sponge.
 

Trithne

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In contrast to my previously statement, I'd say that cyberware capacity isn't actually too stingy, but I still think slots should be more gated based on attributes. I think that in general unless you're specifically aiming to get cybered to the gills, the capacity is intended to make it more that you pick a few worthwhile pieces.
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lukaszek

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the capacity is intended to make it more that you pick a few worthwhile pieces.
looks like most capacity you get from shards found in criminal activities?

There is a bunch to be gained from tech skill, but you need some tech attribute to lvlup that one by disarming mines.

tech perks do provide a bit but not as much as Id expect
 

Hellraiser

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I think that in general unless you're specifically aiming to get cybered to the gills, the capacity is intended to make it more that you pick a few worthwhile pieces.
Overall it seems more about limiting the power of lower level characters than meaningful build choice. I mean if the system wasn't linked to player character level then it would be fine as a limiting factor in addition to available slots.
 

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Strap Yourselves In
Anyone notice how Radio volume for all stations except the new ones they introduced is super low? Also have they removed maximum mike talk show from Radio channel Morro rock? Looks like it.
 

Trithne

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Anyone notice how Radio volume for all stations except the new ones they introduced is super low? Also have they removed maximum mike talk show from Radio channel Morro rock? Looks like it.

I find the reverse - Morro Rock is decently loud but I tried the new one with Sasha Grey and I can barely hear it.
 

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1. Why songbird contacted V at all and how in first place, why did she even know he exists. I assume this is supposed to be later some reveal but literally makes no sense from V perspective at the moment.
She is a FIA (new CIA) spook later Reed says that FIA has whole dossier dedicated to V so they know about relic and other stuff.
 

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Tried playing this, but for some reason, I'm not really enjoying it. I've played it for a few days now, but something feels missing.

I think the issue is that I'm just disappointed with what type of game this is. I was essentially expecting Red Dead Redemption 2 + Cyberpunk world + more RPG, but just going around in the Cyberpunk world, it doesn't really feel nearly as interactive as a Rockstar game.

There doesn't seem to be that much C&C, at least from my perspective; the story is ok so far.

I also would have liked more crazier end-game builds, I guess? But it doesn't look like that's much possible. Like, is it possible to keep Sandevistan active 24/7? Also, it seems like the highest time reduction you can get is only 60% if you activate it in midair, otherwise 50%.

I was expecting some more interesting things as well, like wall climbing with the spider blade things, too. More movement speed stuff cyberware, more jump-related cyberware, maybe some crazier stuff like some Metal Gear Solid teleporting around, phasing?

The game also feels a bit janky, even after several years of patching and a big update. I sometimes see weird texture flickering/glitches, and characters just going a bit spazzy at times.

There's also a surprising amount of places you just can't go in; I've tried going inside buildings plenty of times but just can't. I tried interacting with shop stalls and other things that you would think you could interact with, but it wasn't possible.

I haven't played this back when it was released; tbh, I was probably expecting way too much, so it's sort of ruined for me. It just feels like a poor man's Rockstar game.
 

Yosharian

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The game also feels a bit janky, even after several years of patching and a big update. I sometimes see weird texture flickering/glitches, and characters just going a bit spazzy at times.
Yeah I agree with this, the jank is still too high
 

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