Game News CD Projekt release another trailer for their Witcher patch

[Lesifoere]

But he has a shitty connection so he doesn't want to download the EE. That's CD Projekt's fault, somehow.

 

[Jasede]

So you get the map and such also when you download EE? Do they sent the extra things in the EE box to you? How does that work?

 

[MetalCraze]

And that's where you start to understand how evil and greedy those capitalist pigs at CD Projekt are.

 

[Hümmelgümpf]

So you get the map and such also when you download EE? Do they sent the extra things in the EE box to you?

Sure, they also send a hooker to give you a blowjob.

 

[Mareus]

I was gone for 5 days and some of you guys are still trashing CDprojekt for err... marketing, making their game better for free? :shock:

To Jedi Learner -> the game is not overhyped. The scores it received from most review sites are around 8,5. That score is pretty accurate and saying it is the most overhyped game ever is just retarded if you compare it with the scores some other games have received. Like Oblivion with 100/100 shit.

To DU -> You really don't know when to give up on this subject. If you have a shitty internet connection in this day and age, how is this a problem of CDprojekt? Furthermore the game was never 90$ and you sure don't need to spend 40$ to get an enhanced version! Why are you lying?

To all others who think CDprojekt is doing something wrong with this -> 15$ is not a lot of money and just the music CD with the map and all other things you get with Enhanced version are more than worth the money. If it is however too much for some of you, you can always download it for FREE! If you have shitty internet connection, it's your problem and you can't blame CDprojekt for it. No one is forcing you to buy or download the EE, so what is the problem? You can play the original version and still get a better game than 90% of shit out there. I would understand people bitching about it if the game was unplayable in the first place, but bitching about making an already great game better is just retarded.

 

[Darth Roxor]

You know, I could understand if people ranted about the hype if it was only some patches and stuff, but you get not only the patches, but also re-made NPC looks, some new quests, and stuff like that, and that's all for free, while most of other companies either leave their games broken or just release patches to fix some more or less minor bugs, yet they don't add new content for free.

 

[Mareus]

Yeah CDprojekt is evil because they are not charging their work with $$$. They should act like other developers and make shitty games which will NEVER be fixed and then make you pay for each and every single mod. That is what we need!

Bad CDprojekt!! Baaaad!

 

[Jasede]

They are charging for what other companies release as a patch; for example Blizzard. Then they hype their pay-for patch.

Now some say that the patch is actually free, and that is true for those bought The Witcher and have a fast internet connection; however what is also true is that CD Projekt is hyping the patch as the second coming ["The best reaches perfection"], even going so far as to rerelease the game in a GOTY-esque edition, using what should be a relatively normal and free thing as a way to make money.

We would awfully rant over this if any other developer did something like this!

It our duty as good Codexites to smell hype and call it out; no matter how much we like or hate the studio it originated from. It is all hot air.

 

[Bluebottle]

Whether or not you think that the patch is really worth the level of PR hype (well, what is?) it doesn't take away from the fact that patches of this level aren't particularly common. Re-texturing models simply for the purposes of taste (rather than to correct a specific flaw) or re-recording voiced dialogue definitely goes beyond what the majority of companies would be willing to do.
Now it could be argued that this is only apparent because of the almost total lack of post release support from most other developers, but even so does that really mean that CDP shouldn't be praised for doing the right thing, if it is so rare?

 

[Kraszu]

They are charging for what other companies release as a patch; for example Blizzard.

No they don't sell a patch but a patched game. Blizzard is still selling they old titles, but it is better becouse they ship them without patches?

however what is also true is that CD Projekt is hyping the patch as the second coming ["The best reaches perfection"], even going so far as to rerelease the game in a GOTY-esque edition, using what should be a relatively normal and free thing as a way to make money.

Yeah, not sure if the translation was they fault, but they should expect that from Atari. I guess that they feel that the game didn't get enough exposure, and suffer from translation.
As for the hype I don't really care, it can be funny to make jokes about it, but that is not really bad if it is not fuelled whit lies.

 

[Gay-Lussac]

Longer than usual? Yes. Crippling? Definitely not.

Enough with the penis talk already!

 

[pkt-zer0]

They are charging for what other companies release as a patch; for example Blizzard.

Brood War and Frozen Throne weren't free.

 

[Mareus]

They are charging for what other companies release as a patch; for example Blizzard. Then they hype their pay-for patch.

CDprojekt is not charging anything for people who already bought the game, and don't forget Blizzard is charging people every month if they wish to play WOW.

Now some say that the patch is actually free, and that is true for those bought The Witcher and have a fast internet connection; however what is also true is that CD Projekt is hyping the patch as the second coming ["The best reaches perfection"], even going so far as to rerelease the game in a GOTY-esque edition, using what should be a relatively normal and free thing as a way to make money.

1. The price is really symbolic.
2. Hyping and marketing are two different things. You see, when developers LIE and BRIBE to sell a few more copies is wrong and I call that hyping. When developers advertise themselves for their work, I call it marketing and there is nothing wrong with that. Now, I agree that ["The best reaches perfection"] is a bit far fetched, but I really don't blame them, because TW really is THE BEST GAME that came out in recent years.
3. It is free if you bought the game. You don't expect them to make it free for people who never bought the game, do you?

We would awfully rant over this if any other developer did something like this!

No, we wouldn't. Give me 5 games where developers gave new content, fixed the game with patches and then went even further to make it even better by making new patches, then they increased graphics, voices, fixed the dialogs, made new quests, mods, etc... and offered it all for FREE? Even Troika, which we all love and worship here just made good games and left them half broken. Go on... answer my question, I am really interested in your answer.

It our duty as good Codexites to smell hype and call it out; no matter how much we like or hate the studio it originated from. It is all hot air.

Indeed, but here this is not the case and you also forget it is our duty to support good things that are happening in RPG industry. This is one of them and you are not acting like a good Codexian.

 

[MetalCraze]

As for the hype I don't really care, it can be funny to make jokes about it, but that is not really bad if it is not fuelled whit lies.

The best reaches perfection

Considering that half of TW is mediocre.

 

[Jasede]

I disagree because I don't consider The Witcher an RPG; Gothic at least allows you to choose a "class" of sorts. The Witcher is what we used to call "Action Adventure" really long ago; and that's a very fun genre too, so don't start to whine about me regarding it as such, please.

You know I am really just rattling the bars because the reactions are so funny so you're best off ignoring me.

Where was I? Oh yes. pkt; you can not compare an add-on to something that merely fixes a few things.

 

[Mareus]

I disagree because I don't consider The Witcher an RPG; Gothic at least allows you to choose a "class" of sorts. The Witcher is what we used to call "Action Adventure" really long ago; and that's a very fun genre too, so don't start to whine about me regarding it as such, please.

You can regard it whatever you like, but TW is still a very good game, even by old school standards and it is the best game in recent years.

You know I am really just rattling the bars because the reactions are so funny so you're best off ignoring me.

Noted, and will try to restrain myself from further comments.

Where was I? Oh yes. pkt; you can not compare an add-on to something that merely fixes a few things.

Five hours of gameplay isn't what I would call just "fixes a few things". Do you even know how much effort and work you have to put into the game to make 5 hours of gameplay? Add that to all the other things they added and I wouldn't call it "merely fixes a few things". Besides, its free so what's the problem? Hyping? I already explained there is a difference between hyping and advertisement. They didn't bribe or lie about anything so far, so I don't see how it is hype.

 

[Kraszu]

As for the hype I don't really care, it can be funny to make jokes about it, but that is not really bad if it is not fuelled whit lies.

The best reaches perfection

Considering that half of TW is mediocre.

That is such general phrase, it is obvious advertising, and very much a matter of opinion. If they would say that AI makes NPC do something that they don't actually do in game, or maybe even make scripted presentation and said that it was in game AI now that I would consider a lies.

I had used world hype wrongly becouse of my English.

 

[pkt-zer0]

Gothic at least allows you to choose a "class" of sorts.

Just like Hexen!

Where was I? Oh yes. pkt; you can not compare an add-on to something that merely fixes a few things.

Sure you can. If a bunch of additional units and a campaign qualify for enough extra content to merit a price tag, why don't the additions of EE?

 

[MetalCraze]

Because there is a difference between expansion packs which add to the game and the bunch of fixes which should've been in the original release. Like non-shitty translations and lesser number of cloned NPCs that simply hurt the eyes. Not mentioning that russian translation will remain fucking awful with just 4 very lame voice actors.

 

[Jasede]

Gothic at least allows you to choose a "class" of sorts.

Just like Hexen!

new low

 

[pkt-zer0]

Because there is a difference between expansion packs which add to the game and the bunch of fixes which should've been in the original release.

Point being that a couple of new units fit "should've been in the original version" quite easily. (Does anyone play the un-expanded version of those games?) It's not like you're only paying for the campaign and the pre-rendered cutscenes, either, seeing how the new units haven't been added to the base game in patches, afaik.

 

[Bluebottle]

Like non-shitty translations and lesser number of cloned NPCs that simply hurt the eyes.

Hundreds of games have got away with both these faults (and a whole lot more besides) without ever patching either. In fact I'd find it hard to think of any commercial title that has fixed flaws of this nature. What is somewhat significant about this patch is that the fixes (or at least some of them) are not essential fixes. They're not loading bugs or balance issues, they're subjective faults that CDP could easily have just left as it was.

No game is ever perfect, but it is still pretty hard to think of any developer that even has the balls to admit to such flaws openly, let alone fix them (even though they aren't earth shattering). Imagine Bethesda actually taking the time to patch Oblivion's broken AI or level scaling; think of Arcanum having its combat system changed to not be a total abomination; consider FO2 being tweaked to remove the temple of trials. The point is, is that it's the norm for a developer to never approach issues of this magnitude post release because why the fuck should they? They've already got the money, better to save some issues to be fixed by the inevitable expansion that you can charge for.

Does it make CDP the second coming of christ? No. Is it a decent thing to do that should be praised? Yes. Whether you like the game or not.

 

[Jedi_Learner]

Now, I agree that ["The best reaches perfection"] is a bit far fetched, but I really don't blame them, because TW really is THE BEST GAME that came out in recent years.

Heh. Hehe. Hehehaheheh. Ehehehe, hahahahaha, aaaaahahahahahahahaha, AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

[Bluebottle]

Sounds like Jedi Learner's gone off the deep end again. Someone tell Calis to make a backup.

 

[MetalCraze]

Point being that a couple of new units fit "should've been in the original version" quite easily..

Not if an original game feels complete. TW on the other hand felt unfinished for the reasons above.

Hundreds of games have got away with both these faults (and a whole lot more besides) without ever patching either

Not hundreds. But having a properly voiced and tested game should be a norm (again), don't you think?

They're not loading bugs or balance issues

Actually they are fixing bugs and loading times as well in EE

they're subjective faults that CDP could easily have just left as it was.

And that wouldn't be a good thing. Taking a quest from a guy that I've met like 10 times before only under different name though with the same voice was pretty tiresome.

No game is ever perfect, but it is still pretty hard to think of any developer that even has the balls to admit to such flaws openly, let alone fix them (even though they aren't earth shattering).

Today - yes. Enhanced editions aren't something new. I remember System Shock 1 had one that significantly upgraded everything. And that was like in prehistoric times. Obviously it wasn't free due to lack of the internet access at the time - but CDP won't send me new dvds for free either.

The point is, is that it's the norm for a developer to never approach issues of this magnitude post release because why the fuck should they? They've already got the money, better to save some issues to be fixed by the inevitable expansion that you can charge for.

Again what CDP does should be a norm.