Blizzard announced "Classic" World of Warcraft

[Ninjerk]

I got the impression there are several specs that are significantly easier to gear than others for PvP (Elementals apparently only need R10?).

 

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Yeah, I can confirm that.

 

[GrainWetski]

I got the impression there are several specs that are significantly easier to gear than others for PvP (Elementals apparently only need R10?).

Tier 2.5 + Nefarian mace/Vaelastrasz shield is where it's at. At least that's what I was using back in vanilla.

 

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Yeah, I can confirm that.

 

[Parabalus]

Yeah, I know why they do it, I just didn't like it and didn't do it. It just becomes too much with ZG, Ony and AQ20 resetting every 3 days or so, and you still have to do MC, BWL, AQ40 and eventually Naxx during the week. I had, and still have, limited time to play, and I don't want it consumed only by WoW raids. My point was that it's possible to not no-life it every day and still be very well geared, it just takes a little bit more time due to guild politics.

That's pretty full though, several nights a week raiding. And that's farm status clearing, if you're doing progression (if they retune stuff for 1.12) it's even more.

I got the impression there are several specs that are significantly easier to gear than others for PvP (Elementals apparently only need R10?).

You can get decent gear with R10, but the weapon/trinkets require raiding.

 

[Lacrymas]

That depends on your guild and how much they require you to attend everything, I was one of the best healers on the server, so they mostly turned a blind eye to the fact I only raid logged once a week. But yeah, otherwise it's quite a lot, I talked about that in the beginning, how the almost daily rotation of raids in vanilla burns you out.

 

[Metro]

Yeah, I know why they do it, I just didn't like it and didn't do it. It just becomes too much with ZG, Ony and AQ20 resetting every 3 days or so, and you still have to do MC, BWL, AQ40 and eventually Naxx during the week. I had, and still have, limited time to play, and I don't want it consumed only by WoW raids. My point was that it's possible to not no-life it every day and still be very well geared, it just takes a little bit more time due to guild politics.

Yep... and it's exactly why I won't be doing 40 man raids in Classic.

 

[Gerrard]

Imagine literally spending 20+ minutes running somewhere in a video game.

 

[Cyberarmy]

Scholo, BRS, BRD and Stratholme class runs were more fun for me than raids. MC especially bored me to tears...

 

[Metro]

Five mans were always more fun to me. Especially in early TBC when heroics were brutally hard and you had to plan and use crowd control for a lot of pulls. The addition of scaling five man dungeons was one of the few great moves implemented in WoW in recent years but I don't know anyone who plays regularly to make it worth my while to sub for that.

 

[Lacrymas]

Yeah, 5-mans were always the best part of WoW, but you quickly outgear them.

 

[Aildrik]

Vanilla WoW dungeons were some of the best in any MMO I have ever played. Just huge and designed with realism in mind. They remind me a lot of Everquest dungeons such as Guk or Sebilis, which had the same sort of design philosophy; they were living places that weren't meant to be on rails or necessarily crawled in any specific direction like the later WoW dungeons.

 

[Absinthe]

I suspect Windfury was nerfed because of the totem. Enh shaman was never a good spec in vanilla, be it PvP or PvE, it was a one-trick pony that heavily relied on RNG and it had nothing else going for it.

Windfury Totem is definitely strong for horde warriors and rogues, and in 1.4 it gave 2 bonus attacks instead of 1, but I don't think the 1.11 nerf had much to do with that. I think it was mostly related to Unbreakable's PvP video triggering alarm bells at Blizz HQ. They usually spot-nerfed anything that was popular for doing high damage, even if the spec was shitty for PvP overall.

Having the same thoughts myself. Considering you either need to raid or grind premade BGs to get decent gear the hours required are pretty steep

You can also grind the same dungeon over and over and over and over again if you want the rare epics from those, like Ironfoe or Felstriker. Everything takes fucking forever. WoW is a colossal grindfest. It's a fucking chore.

By contrast, here is an elemental shaman, showcasing actual PvP instead of a string of lucky windfury procs:


This guy would've done much better if he'd rolled a Tauren tbh, then he could War Stomp to cast while enemies are stunned.

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Imagine literally spending 20+ minutes running somewhere in a video game.

This is real. It's also the reason why most players will elect to whisper a warlock for a summon or a nearby mage for a portal.

 

[Parabalus]

Yeah, 5-mans were always the best part of WoW, but you quickly outgear them.

I had hoped they'd do a reshuffle and release the t0.5 earlier so that they (and dungeons) had some semblance of use. Stuff comes out after AQ and was pretty pointless.

 

[Lacrymas]

T0.5 was catch-up gear. Along with ZG and AQ20 I might add, even though they had some good epic gear or the potential to get such from quests. A lot of people didn't, and won't, raid, so T0.5 is for them.

 

[GrainWetski]

Imagine literally spending 20+ minutes running somewhere in a video game.

This is real. It's also the reason why most players will elect to whisper a warlock for a summon or a nearby mage for a portal.

It's also the main reason there's any world PvP and other interactions with other players.

People seem to want them to take the easy road and release TBC/WOTLK, but I'd rather they just add to and improve vanilla. All the flying mounts and "quality of life"(as they like to call it) crap completely ruin the game. Same with making other, smaller zones the focus. Keep the game in Kalimdor and EK.

 

[Lacrymas]

TBC was the height of the game, though, much more interesting raids, heroics dungeons, arena, useful professions, cool and alien locations, the gameplay wasn't as degenerate as WotLK, a lot of classes got much needed improvements, etc.

 

[hivemind]

TBC was the peak indeed but I woudl still prefer they go the Classic+ route because it has more potential imo

 

[Havoc]

Patch 1.13 sounds good. Taking stuff they had planned for vanilla and making it.

 

[frajaq]

Flying mounts ruined WoW forever so no TBC thanks

 

[hivemind]

actually now that I think about it true

enjoeyd TBC overall very much but when I think about it my best memories were from styling on nerds on the Isle of Quel Danas where there was no flying

 

[RickOmbo]

Can't wait to play Everquest 2 again.

 

[Lacrymas]

Flying mounts ruined WoW forever so no TBC thanks

The move towards faster gameplay (in a lot of different ways) in WotLK is what ruined WoW forever, not flying. Flying just made the world feel smaller, but eh, you can only feel that when you grind, and I don't. If you say that world PvP was ruined, that's only true on PvP servers, and even then, there wasn't much world PvP in vanilla either way. Only ganking while leveling. If your fondest memories are of ganking people while they are grinding, well, that's your own very specific problem, isn't it.

 

[Metro]

World PvP was always a joke and mostly consisted of ganking rather than actual, competitive PvP. If anything, battlegrounds killed off meaningful world PvP and those were implemented relatively early in vanilla.

Classic had better designed dungeons but early TBC heroics presented the right degree of difficulty. Similarly, TBC raids were much better, mechanically speaking, than classic. However, TBC five mans (and the zones in general), had exceedingly lazy design and consisted mostly of corridors featuring a single dominant color scheme (hellfire dungeons were red hallways, terrokar dungeons were green hallways, etc.). Wrath heroics (early on), while more forgiving than pre-nerf TBC heroics, presented the best package of challenge and aesthetics/design.

 

[GrainWetski]

TBC was the height of the game, though, much more interesting raids, heroics dungeons, arena, useful professions, cool and alien locations, the gameplay wasn't as degenerate as WotLK, a lot of classes got much needed improvements, etc.

I don't necessarily disagree(outside of moving to Outlands because fuck that) though I still prefer vanilla because I enjoyed it the most.

The move towards faster gameplay (in a lot of different ways) in WotLK is what ruined WoW forever, not flying. Flying just made the world feel smaller, but eh, you can only feel that when you grind, and I don't. If you say that world PvP was ruined, that's only true on PvP servers, and even then, there wasn't much world PvP in vanilla either way. Only ganking while leveling. If your fondest memories are of ganking people while they are grinding, well, that's your own very specific problem, isn't it.

Not much world PvP in vanilla? Only while levelling? Did you even touch EPL, BRM or Silithus? There used to be corpses upon corpses upon corpses in BRM. Yes, most of it ganking, which I'd rather have than some epeen measuring contest in arenas. Obviously you won't have world PvP on crappy PvE servers.

No reason they can't add arenas, new raids with more involved mechanics, balance classes and other shit to vanilla. Obviously they won't because Blizzard is shit, but that doesn't mean it's not preferrable to just taking the same old steps that lead to WoW becoming pure ass all over again.