Better, than the test site, blander than the past.

[†††]

Step 1. Poll users to see if the old font size is readable, by asking if more users zoom to read the site versus don't. Results demonstrate that a majority of poll respondents do not zoom; the font size is fine.

Step 2. Upgrade forum software, change post body font size.

Step 3. Get called out for changing font size.

Step 4. State that it's your personal preference that it is larger and then haphazardly rotate through excuses of (i) the poll was rigged, (ii) its to improve our search rankings, and (iii) to help those with disabilities.

Step 5. Act frustrated when you do a thing a majority did not want, don't like it, and they remind you of this.


Yeah, I'm over here just complaining cuz its fun. Sure.

It's easier to praise the changes to heavens to turn them back like they were before. They're incredibly petty and oppose whatever the userbase wants.

 

[Taluntain]

Maybe a compromise can be found by using a @media .css query? But this requires information on display resolution and HiDPI scaling of users who most vocally demand the 13px font size. Do users want small font size when their display is larger or smaller than average...?

JFC, they have a whole separate style for that one measly 1px difference that they can't live with. Enough's enough, this is the definition of autism here.

 

[Lady Error]

Also, some more margins autism:

- The left and right margins inside the box of a given rating should be the same (right now there is more space on the right)
- The margins left and right of the "music bars" image on the main page should be reduced
- The line height of the forum descriptions on the main page should be reduced and couple pixels margin added on top (a bit more space below the forum titles)

 

[agris]

It's easier to praise the changes to heavens to turn them back like they were before. They're incredibly petty and oppose whatever the userbase wants.

By and large I think they do a damn fine job, Taluntain included. This is all unpaid work and maintenance driven by paltry donations.

It would be one thing if I was in the minority, like Taluntain is, but I am not.

JFC, they have a whole separate style for that one measly 1px difference that they can't live with. Enough's enough.

It's a false choice, no one is asking for a universal decrement to the font size. You are offering a solution to a problem no one is discussing. edit: also, being a little bitch about it too. edit_2: the template works, I retract my unkind words.

 

[Twiglard]

Loudest complainers. What's your resolution and HiDPI scaling? Are you using any sidebars?

Best paste the result of this JS expression after pressing F12 then going to the Console window: document.body.clientWidth.

Example

 

[Taluntain]

By and large I think they do a damn fine job, Taluntain included. This is all unpaid work and maintenance driven by paltry donations.

It would be one thing if I was in the minority, like Taluntain is, but I am not.




It's a false choice, no one is asking for a universal decrement to the font size. You are offering a solution to a problem no one is discussing. edit: also, being a little bitch about it too.

You: it's not a problem for me, so it's not a problem for anybody.

It's my job to think about things other than shitposting and wasting the staff's time. I understand completely that it's not yours.

 

[agris]

Twiglard I appreciate you trying to find a solution. I think DPI is the best way to handle this. I'm at 101 DPI, no scaling of any type.

 

[Taluntain]

It's a false choice, no one is asking for a universal decrement to the font size.

What the heck are you going on about? The small font style is identical in every way to the regular size ones except that the post text size there is 13px, as it was 20 years ago, whereas on the regular font styles it's 14px. You got exactly what you wanted.

 

[agris]

What the heck are you going on about? The small font style is identical in every way to the regular size ones except that the post text size there is 13px, as it was 20 years ago, whereas on the regular font styles it's 14px. You got exactly what you wanted.

I tried it when the template was based on the fixed width and it decreased the font size of all text elements, not just body post. Just tried it again, and it correctly changes the size of only the post body font.

Good job, you fixed the bugs!

 

[Taluntain]

Good job, you fixed the bugs!

OMG I think I'm going to pass out now.

 

[Twiglard]

HEY GUYS.

How about a compromise?

@media (min-resolution: 100dpi) {
    .message-body {
        font-size: 13px !important;
    }
}

 

[NJClaw]

Stop arguing about useless shit like font size when we have a clear bigger problem here: each post has 17 more characters (and 3 more symbols) than it needs to and this is ruining my life.

 

[Strange Fellow]

Stop arguing about useless shit like font size when we have a clear bigger problem here each post has 17 more characters and 3 more symbols) than it needs to and this

Fixed

 

[Lady Error]

HEY GUYS.

How about a compromise?

@media (min-resolution: 100dpi) {
    .message-body {
        font-size: 13px !important;
    }
}

Taluntain really, really doesn't want the old font size for some reason. Cue in: Google, "common sense", rigged voting, etc.

 

[Zeriel]

Honestly, it seems pretty alright now. Font is better, clicking emojis works, the only thing that feels a bit "off" compared to the old format is it seems like whatever the spacing is for posts fits a LOT less on the screen at once. But that might be just me using an old monitor and the theme being designed for newer ones, I dunno.

 

[Lady Error]

Should the user names be above the avatars as before or below as they are now? Here is a poll:

https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/user-names-above-or-below-the-avatars-poll.143496/

 

[agris]

HEY GUYS.

How about a compromise?

@media (min-resolution: 100dpi) {
    .message-body {
        font-size: 13px !important;
    }
}

I think we can approach this more scientifically. When does a larger font make sense? When a screen is very high resolution, but the physical dimensions are so small such that the default font (size 13) is hard to read. Unfortunately, Taluntain hasn't volunteered to us his DPI or specs, but we can infer some things based on what is sold in the market.

Highest DPI will be small, 4k screens. For desktop monitors, nothing under 27" is offered in 4k, making the DPI ~160+. Obviously suckers who bought 4k laptops will have even higher DPI, but this seems like a reasonable starting point to dynamically invoke a larger font.

How about normie mode? 24" 1920x1080, that's ~90 DPI. No font scaling needed there, 13 PX is fine.

Edge cases? 38" ultrawide 3840x1600: ~110 DPI. The screen here is so massive, it probably doesn't make sense to use the larger font either. Ultra users should be power users who are hopefully familiar with things like "zoom".

My swag for a cutoff is around 120 115 DPI.

Takeaway? Make the default font 13 px, and if you detect DPI => 120 115, upsize it to whatever.


edit: I just confirmed this via PC parts picker, the smallest 2560x1440 display offered for sale in the past several years is a dell S2417DG, having a DPI of 123. That resolution on a small screen probably needs a larger font, updated recommended threshold to 115 from 120 DPI.

 

[Russia is over. The end.]

me using an old monitor and the theme being designed for newer ones, I dunno.

 

[Crispy]

Should the user names be above the avatars as before or below as they are now? Here is a poll:

https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/user-names-above-or-below-the-avatars-poll.143496/

I actually like having them below but I think their text should match the font color that the user chooses in Shoutbox.

 

[†††]

So now all buttons zoom upon hover... what can I say... I love this!!! it's taking away all my desire to use buttons so I realized I can have a more focused browsing experience. Thanks again for this upgrade in fuctionality, Taluntain.

 

[Taluntain]

Man, will the autism triggers never stop, huh?

 

[agris]

It would be nice if the "who rated this post" pop-up were co-located near the post and ratings themselves, not high-center adjusted on the screen. I think the old system put the listing window next to the post/ratings themselves?

 

[Hag]

Impressive to see the positive changes since Monday, like some freakish duckling hatching and turning out to be alright in the end. Good job Twiglard
The reply field is also much more responsive, I use to have micro-lag during operations such a pasting or deleting, now it's gone. That's great.

I am not a big fan of the bigger font. Maybe my eyes play tricks on me but I feel its weight is too important compared to the one of the other elements, in particular the title :

As it is now :

Text in 13px, more balanced :

Everything in 14px, but in Lato (fine too) :

Everything in 14px but in Tahoma (looks old-school, fine by me) :

 

[Twiglard]

Takeaway? Make the default font 13 px, and if you detect DPI => 120 115, upsize it to whatever.


edit: I just confirmed this via PC parts picker, the smallest 2560x1440 display offered for sale in the past several years is a dell S2417DG, having a DPI of 123. That resolution on a small screen probably needs a larger font, updated recommended threshold to 115 from 120 DPI.

I am not a big fan of the bigger font.

The small font layout has since been corrected and uses your preferred 13px font size.

If anything, it's higher DPI settings that need smaller fonts -- raster quality is proportional to pixel size. There doesn't appear to be the correct way to implement this.

It would be nice if the "who rated this post" pop-up were co-located near the post and ratings themselves, not high-center adjusted on the screen. I think the old system put the listing window next to the post/ratings themselves?

That's the least of its problems.

 

[agris]

If anything, it's higher DPI settings that need smaller fonts -- raster quality is proportional to pixel size. There doesn't appear to be the correct way to implement this.

Wat.gif? A font at a given size has fixed dimensions in units of pixels. A screen with a high DPI will make a font that looks fine on a 'normal' DPI screen look small. Are you mixing up terms or something?