Better, than the test site, blander than the past.

[Owlish]

XenForo is nice and feels a lot snappier than the old vBulletin site. Minor nitpicks sure but in the immediate future just need media embeds back because I couldn't embed a Tweet earlier.

They were already on xenforo for years.

 

[agris]

Mobile version needs page navigation at the top of threads as well as the bottom. Right now it’s just at the bottom.

 

[Palomides]

Ah, this place looks like NeoGAF now, how shameful. Hopefully ignored cretins will not be seen via quotes, etc. That would be most irritating.

 

[agris]

There isn't. It was a custom hack that will require a hired expert to reimplement.

Please don’t, it makes GRPG so much more readable.

 

[Taluntain]

Have you actually asked any mobile users about this? Because I browse codex on mobile fairly often, and the text size is just fine, with no zooming needed. I absolutely reject your claim that this shit is done for my benefit or that I desire it!

I literally never asked for this.

Obviously there will never be any agreement on the font size because some people here for whatever reason prefer a minuscule font size, whereas the others can't use the site without zooming in. However any serious web designer will tell you that the font size being used now is much too small. In fact, we've been getting warnings from Google about the font sizes across the site being too small for years. In the end, when you ignore warnings from Google, they take it that you are not maintaining your site any more and penalize you accordingly by listing your website in search results below the competition.

So stubbornness in this respect is only good if you like shooting yourself in your feet. The sensible thing to do is to set up a default font that doesn't need to be upscaled by anyone. Anyone who wants minute fonts can always zoom out.

I'm surprised that I appear to be in such a minority about the fixed width thing. I absolutely hate reading text that fills the width of the screen, and much prefer the narrower column. It's great that the fixed-width option will be preserved.

It doesn't make any sense to want to have the layout stretched across a large wide monitor, since you can't read it comfortably without having to turn your head in the process, and yet this is something that a lot of the Codexers prefer to do over reading text in comfortable columns. A lot of what happens on the Codex doesn't make sense. But at least fluid and fixed width layouts are easy enough to do so it's not much of an issue.

And the fixed width layout has nothing whatsoever to do with mobiles, so anyone posting that nonsense doesn't have a clue. I assume Twiglard left it as default because he prefers it, because nobody told him to do it specifically. And I assume he didn't bother to check how messed up the mobile version is.

Can you please fix the broken image in the scroll header on mobile? The mobile version is almost unusable right now because of that.

https://rpgcodex.net/forums/data/assets/logo/troll_1.png

That image is missing.

I copied all the troll logos in the logo dir but it's anyone's guess if that's all that's broken, since the assets dir wasn't there at all and I had to create it. DU can give Twiglard back his style editing permissions and he can fix the various issues that have come up, reinstate the header, etc. Honestly, why this wasn't done before flipping the switch, I don't know.

Taluntain I would recommend making the line which delineates the end of a post and the start of the user signature to be more pronounced. As it currently stands it is (at least in my opinion) a bit difficult to notice the break point and I keep having to do a double take because I keep reading signatures as part of posts instead of seeing them as signatures.

Currently hovering over alerts does not bring down the dropdown menu and I have to actively click on the menu if I want to see them. Ideally this would not be the case as it forces extra clicks onto the user. Its also difficult to tell the difference between normal text and a mentioned user's name (for example, yours in this post). I would suggest making the delineation a bit cleaner.

This will depend on your monitor settings I expect, the line is clearly visible for me on desktop.

Hovering over alert icon was a deliberate change by the XenForo developers to unify the mobile and desktop behaviour, as it was inconsistent. This is going to stay as it is, so we'll just get used to it. And yes, the link, mentions and other various colours being the same needs to be fixed.

Is this why you removed publicly viewable button ratings? So we wouldn't be able to see who Brofists and Salutes dumbass posts like this?

I didn't. The XF2 version of the addon has no setting to turn it on and no template edits spelled out for it anywhere. I'm waiting for the dev to respond how to get this back in as it's annoying to me as well.

Is this list available anywhere? If not, it could be useful to have a sticky which lists upcoming changes listed by priority. You wouldn’t have to repeatedly address the same concerns and members wouldn’t complain about things identified as about to be changed/fixed. Just a suggestion.

It would be nice if we had paid staff here that could spend some time on things like that.

 

[Jenkem]

taluntainted

 

[DarkUnderlord]

 

[spockthewok]

This whole redesign reminds me of when a console game gets ported to PC and you're stuck trying to navigate a shitty UI designed for controllers rather than a mouse and keyboard.

 

[Jedi Master Radek]

That's utter bullshit; I've been dismissive of whining about minor things easily tweaked that most people here wanted to blow out of proportion. We didn't redo this layout because we had nothing better to do but because we HAD TO, as part of the process of converting the forums to XenForo 2. This as well is being done so that you and everyone else can keep on posting here well into the future, and to bring the software up to speed with the last 5+ YEARS of development that we've been missing out on. We HAD TO move to XF2 because what we've been using was OBSOLETE, unsupported and not developed any more for years.

As you obviously haven't noticed, mobile is broken and the retarded small text from 20 years ago has made it back into this new layout. And that's the 2 major things that this new layout was supposed to fix, but thanks to the pile of changes that Twiglard has been doing trying to satisfy every single complaint, managed to negate in the process. So no, it's obviously not an improvement yet because it's far from being finished.

"Ugly" is your subjective view that I don't agree with, I don't see anything "ugly" here. Throwing around such unsubstantiated adjectives is neither objectively true nor helpful in any way. The Codex isn't your living room but a shared space that has to work on several levels, not just your own personal taste. Everyone who has 30 seconds to comment about it doesn't have the necessary knowledge to understand even a fractions of its functions and workings and why certain things are as they are or have to be like that. And we can't spend hours explaining this to everyone.

You can be pretty sure that all the abuse and whining that everyone who's spent dozens of hours migrating the Codex to the 21st century is getting in return is bothering us as well. Most of the complaints have no substance other than "I HATE CHANGE" or "CHANGE IT BACK". That's not helpful in any way, if anything, it makes all of us trying to do things here less inclined to make any further changes, because pretty much all of them are met with derision.

It might surprise the Codex audience to learn that amazingly, just like in RL, hurling abuse at the staff is not likely to produce a result that you'll be happy with.

We can appreciate constructive criticism. Piling on drive-by comments of WORST LAYOUT EVER!!!11, repeated for the umpteenth time by every retard with 2 seconds to spare isn't it.

I did take out the social sharing buttons though.

Not everyone has a knowledge about what makes a website design good, so it's obvious that most of us can't explain what bothers us in technical web design terms. However dismissing our opinions because we don't have specialist knowledge is absurd. Web design should serve people, not people should serve the web design. The fact that users don't like change is a clear sign of web designer failure, not the users failure.

 

[LizardWizard]

 

[Taluntain]

Not everyone has a knowledge about what makes a website design good, so it's obvious that most of us can't explain what bothers us in technical web design terms. However dismissing our opinions because we don't have specialist knowledge is absurd. Web design should serve people, not people should serve the web design. The fact that users don't like change is a clear sign of web designer failure, not the users failure.

Are you sure you didn't hijack that 2013 account? Because you don't seem to know the Codex audience at all.

 

[Rincewind]

I quite like it, it's a lot better than the original test site. Good job! But please increase all font sizes by about 15%. So the body text goes from 14px to 16px, and so on. I've done this manually and then it's fine, but if I zoom the full page in it's problematic because all the padding gets enlarged as well.

I guess I can do this as a custom client-side CSS override as well myself...

The other minor thing, it would be better to get rid of the border from around the ratings, it's just too noisy visually.

 

[Jedi Master Radek]

Are you sure you didn't hijack that 2013 account? Because you don't seem to know the Codex audience at all.

You think most codexers have a specialist web designer knowledge? I don't know how else I can interpret your post.

 

[Zombra]

The fact that users don't like change is a clear sign of web designer failure, not the users failure.

Meh. The Codex is the definitive place where users fear change. They don't like better inventory systems, better levelling systems, better party management systems, better respawn systems, etc. until they've had a chance to get used to them. If it isn't old, it isn't good as far as they're concerned. Why would you expect them to instantly embrace better web design?

Right now no one has any perspective except that it's uncomfortable to adjust to new things. Give it a week before anyone's raw opinion posts can be taken at all seriously.

 

[Sensuki]

Search seems broken

 

[Taluntain]

You think most codexers have a specialist web designer knowledge? I don't know how else I can interpret your post.

I was referring to your last sentence about users hating change. The Codex is notorious for hating change. Nobody needs specialist web designer knowledge to be able to write constructive criticism. There are plenty of examples of such coherent posts in the last few replies here.

 

[Zombra]

why does it seem like the only people who like this change are libtards, trannies and soy-filled bugmen?

It's not a mystery. Conservatives fear change. Isn't it like your whole thing?

 

[Ezekiel]

I don't remember my avatar being sandwiched by pillarboxes on the old forum. So the forum only likes perfect squares for avatars now?

 

[Rincewind]

Thanks for your hard work Taluntain and Twiglard, I surely appreciate it. The few remaining issues are minor I think and can be ironed out over time. Sure, it's perhaps a little bit unusual, but give it a few weeks and most reasonable people will get used to it and actually prefer it to the old design.

Then some people are just addicted to vexing others and themselves... you can't make everybody 100% happy 100% of the time.

 

[Nano]

Meh. The Codex is the definitive place where users fear change. They don't like better inventory systems, better levelling systems, better party management systems, better respawn systems, etc. until they've had a chance to get used to them. If it isn't old, it isn't good as far as they're concerned. Why would you expect them to instantly embrace better web design?

Right now no one has any perspective except that it's uncomfortable to adjust to new things. Give it a week before anyone's raw opinion posts can be taken at all seriously.

The new site is hideous. What the fuck is wrong with your eyesight?

 

[Jonathan "Zee Nekomimi]

we need more cat girl focused content.
On a serious note, any time table for when we gonna get a "new posts" similar to the old model where it would give u 2 page to check, stead of simple being a "load more" type of approach? Or is that a no no?

 

[Lim-Dûl]

I absolutely need to see who reacted how to my posts (and other people's posts) for my mental ledger. Don't pull this bullshit.

 

[Correct_Carlo]

I like Ropulos' CSS changes:

https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/custom-css-user-improvements-for-nu-dex.143451/

CSS is easy to edit. Just implement those and the site would be 90% better.

 

[Gargaune]

Taluntain, if you're looking for some constructive feedback, aside from WIP layout size I think the new colour scheme's also making things a little less lisible. On the old design, you basically had the grey #3f3f3f background and then mainly alternating all elements between the lighter #484f5f and the darker #354056 (was there an odd/even split, I forget?). On the new one, you've got a background grey of #383838, two lights #38404f and 3e4857 for odd/even posts, a dark #283246 on the side, plus a #324155 shade for quotes, plus other minutiae.

So a) you've got like 5+ distinct colours making for a busier flow, and b) the overall darker shades create a higher contrast, which might look more "modern", but I felt that the more desaturated schema of the old design made for a more comfortable reading experience. May be subtle, but rolling back on these might help air things out a little bit.

 

[Taluntain]

I changed the main font size back to 15px, which is still too small, but at least it's a little better.