Torment Beamdog's Planescape: Torment Enhanced Edition

[Deleted Member 16721]

How about Neverwinter Nights? Trent Oster has entertained the idea before.

With Enhanced Modding Tools + Android versions and other enhancements. Would be amazing.

 

[Deleted Member 16721]

That cell shading is cancer though.

Is that what the black outlines are, cell shading? I think they look good in this game, actually. It's my first experience with them and I tried playing with them both on and off, and I prefer them on...

I agree that I hope it does well on Android, too. Would be great to have more RPGs like this on Google Play just in general as well as fun things like crossplatform multiplayer and what not.

 

[Deleted Member 16721]

And if the older modules were made to work well with it and it supported new modules for the EE? Yikes.

 

[Iznaliu]

Arnold Hendrick where he talks about how Skyrim is the best rpg on the market

Probably since the only other RPGs he knows of are Bioshit.

 

[Junmarko]

Beamdog. What were you not getting?

Haha. You keep faking outrage for BIS, all while linking these "missing logos" as "proof of Beamdog's EVIL schemes", ignoring the fucking obvious fact - Wizards of the Coast want to erase any ties with Interplay & Co. Also, you and Goral keep pointing for some reason at Bethesda as further "evidence" that Beamdog are indeed shady characters.

As I've mentioned here Bethesda somehow didn't have such problems.

Why would Bethesda have any liability leaving Interplay signatures there you dim-wits? LOL.

Tim Cain designed Fallout to have it's own rule-set, precisely because Steve Jackson Games (GURPS) were becoming too intrusive during Fallout's concept period. Going beyond just providing rule systems/lore etc, the GURPS crew appeared to want artistic direction of the entire product. Maybe felt Interplay/Black Isle were overshadowing their work? Anyway, fed up, Cain just amputated GURPS from Fallout before it was finished, using the basis of GURPS to create something similar. This is a reason why the franchise became so big, Interplay/Black Isle (& now Bethesda/ZeniMax) never had a GURPS or D&D license holding the brand back. It was the best thing for Fallout, not that it matters now when you look at the state of it under Bethesda. Further more, Obsidian has seen the benefit of this approach, they won't touch GURPS, D&D or any IP that could stifle them - Pillars of Eternity is 100% their own.

Interplay had so much success with it's CRPGs, Forgotten Realms became the disproportionately more popular setting under D&D. Yeah, I'm sure WotC creatives were fucking thrilled lol. WotC have even slowly obscured the setting labels from most products since. Placing the "DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS" brand there as an umbrella label, to even things out.

So given all that, do you think it's a fucking coincidence when the old CEO from Interplay, approaches Wizards of the Coast (2013) for rights to Planescape "Torment II", they reject it, despite the overwhelming success Interplay and Fargo had previously with D&D?

They obviously still see Fargo as a Mind flayer who fucked with the creative integrity of their group

But no, all this to your Lutefisk munching brain is probably irrelevant. You don't even view EA on-par with SJW-buffoons at Beamdog, shooting themselves in the foot.

I'm not a humongous faggot such as yourself

I'd even take EA over Beamdog.

What a faggot.

 

[ArchAngel]

For an example, check out the interview with Arnold Hendrick where he talks about how Skyrim is the best rpg on the market. Really want that guy making an "EE" version of Darklands?

Absolutely. Skyrim is not an interactive movie like many big budget RPGs are today and still focuses heavily on gameplay and exploration. That is enough for me to enjoy it more than all the other popular RPGs nowadays.

You are collecting tags like pokemon I see. Having fun?

 

[Lilura]

You are collecting tags like pokemon I see. Having fun?

Oh look, the old chew toy is still ridiculing the new one. How cute.

 

[ArchAngel]

You are collecting tags like pokemon I see. Having fun?

Oh look, the old chew toy is still ridiculing the new one. How cute.

Ms "I play BG1 without mods only", you got anything new to say or are you already old and spent already?

 

[Deleted Member 16721]

You are collecting tags like pokemon I see. Having fun?

I am having fun, thanks. What's a tag, though?

 

[Robespierre]

You are collecting tags like pokemon I see. Having fun?

I am having fun, thanks. What's a tag, though?

You are welcome.

 

[Deleted Member 16721]

Ah, ok. So who or what am I a fanboy of? RPGs in general, or some specific studio? I'd say I'm a fan of the genre itself more than any one studio in particular.

I shall wear the tag with pride. It's silly but I actually like the font and design of the tag. It goes well with the red font and design above it. Classy looking.

 

[Lilura]

What do you think of the shitposter tag, Fluent?

 

[biggestboss]

Ah, ok. So who or what am I a fanboy of? RPGs in general, or some specific studio? I'd say I'm a fan of the genre itself more than any one studio in particular.

I shall wear the tag with pride. It's silly but I actually like the font and design of the tag. It goes well with the red font and design above it. Classy looking.

You're gay

 

[Gunnar]

Ah, ok. So who or what am I a fanboy of? RPGs in general, or some specific studio? I'd say I'm a fan of the genre itself more than any one studio in particular.

You can be an RPG fan without being a disgusting uncritical fanboy cuck.

 

[Deleted Member 16721]

You can also be an RPG fan without being an overly critical, trying too hard to be edgy hatemonger of doom and despair. For real, it's true.

 

[Luckmann]

Haha. You keep faking outrage for BIS, all while linking these "missing logos" as "proof of Beamdog's EVIL schemes" [...]

You truly are retarded. You can't even keep people separate. I couldn't be arsed to correct you the first time you did it, because the conversation had moved on, but you're well and truly beyond fucking stupid.

You are collecting tags like pokemon I see. Having fun?

I am having fun, thanks. What's a tag, though?

You are welcome.

He probably can't see the tags because he's frequenting the Codex using an forum app on his smartphone or something.

I still suggest he gets a Confirmed Retarded tag, possibly Shitposter too.

 

[Junmarko]

You truly are retarded. You can't even keep people separate

You didn't disagree on one point any more than you put a stamp of approval on the whole thing, twice. Or you didn't read what you lumped yourself in with?

Spoiler

Julius Borisov has answered with some bullshit PR talk why they won't credit Black Isle: http://steamcommunity.com/app/46630...47030858/?tscn=1490814082#c135512931349368796

There're legal reasons why the store pages on Steam and on GoG.com only list Beamdog. We can't disclose more information on this front.

As I've mentioned here Bethesda somehow didn't have such problems. aVENGER puts on a brave face but he knows he works in a pathetic, parasitic company. What's annoying me the most is that Chris Avellone is taking part in this scam. Truly shameful display, going from a CCO to this.

Guess he felt that it was inevitable that Parasitedog will cash in on PST so he thought why not siphon some into my own pockets?

Integrity?

Wow. Who were you calling "parasites" before?

Beamdog. What were you not getting?

He probably can't see the tags because he's frequenting the Codex using an forum app on his smartphone or something. I still suggest he gets a Confirmed Retarded tag, possibly Shitposter too.

Really? Ok.

If you can't handle anyone pointing out your dense fixation for too long:

I'd even take EA over Beamdog.

I made sure to grab the Planescape: Torment on GOG before they remove it and "upgrade" it, which I'll probably be distributing illegally, since it'll be impossible to get legitimately without supporting Beamdog and the EE soon. I haven't gotten it before, because I knew it was on GOG and I've actually got my original CD:s somewhere, and the original box.

Don't advocate piracy, on a DRM-Free platform, CUNT.

 

[Goral]

I've checked the list of 41 improvements that a re supposed to be so awesome and it doesn't look good. There are like 6-10 useful improvements (I've bolded the ones I found at least a bit interesting/useful), around 10 are conveniences for idiots and the rest is pointless. All in all I don't see how these improvements warrant a doubled price.

details

1) Chris Avellone editing pass - it's a nice touch but in the end insignificant (not to mention that grammar fixes were introduced via fan patches). Planescape: Torment has always been regarded as the pinnacle of writing in games so I don't see how it could be improved just by fixing grammar or name consistency, I certainly won't notice it because to me it's already superb.

2) Able to zoom out to gain a wider view of the game - zooming is unnecessary if one plays at proper resolution (or on CRT monitor) and it doesn't look good as can be seen in my example.

3) Object highlight mode - now this is a cheating mode and a change for the worse. Let me quote @t since he said it better than I could:

Ok, you just might be a moron. Highlighting objects will break quests as the game has been developed with no highlighting in mind - see stash quest in buried village. Changing text size, high resolution support, high res UI are already there in mods. So what, zoom? So you can switch between normal and pixelated as fuck? Because no upscaling of textures will happen.

And there is one mod pack you need to download that will install all the mods for you.

Edit: also mods will give you running (I.e. actually dangerous and not ones that you can run circles around) monsters.

4) Combat log available - that would make sense if combat wasn't awful in P:T and if it was turn-based. But since it is awful and since it is real time with pause and everything goes very fast (and there are often groups of enemies) it's just a pointless bonus.

5) Quick loot available - now this is the first convenience that makes sense and which isn't present in the mods AFAIK

6, 7) Steam achievements, Steam trading cards - pointless

8) Options to adjust text size - available with mods and can be easily installed via mods manager (and here you CHOOSE what to install, nothing is shoved down our throats)

9) Option to search the journal and quest text - convenience but at the same time it dumbs down the game since you don't have to remember anything. And it's hardly an achievement by Beamdog considering they've had source materials, if they would give them to the modders we would also get things like that and more

10) Option to set language from within game - doable via GOG Galaxy

11) Tooltips easier to read - had never problem with these but OK, let's say it is an improvement

12) Improved Pathfinding - all you need to do is to edit the torment.ini file in the game directory and change the appropriate line. Beamdog's version might be better, but again they've had source materials which modders had not.

13) Smooth Fog of War - haven't noticed any problem with it but OK

14) Options menu accessable from start screen - doesn't matter much, most of the options need to be seen in game anyway

15) Most recent save accessable from start screen - one click less, an improvement but not very important considering one will save like 5 minutes during entire game max

16) Movies and plot events now work correctily in windowed mode - don't know why would anyone play in window mode but yeah, this is a fix too. It's doable in the old version too though, although only by using a third party software AFAIK

17) Fewer clicks to cast spells, change weapons, use items, etc. - yes, that is an improvement, possibly the biggest, although UI looks fugly

18) Performing actions no longer obscures game world - not really, with mods that's not a problem

19) More autopause options - don't know what that is but I'm guessing it's pointless since combat in P:T is primitive and it's the last reason people are playing this game

20) Load screens removed - maybe when the game was on 4 CDs, with SSD drives loading is instant

21) Smoother area transitions - pointless, although some might enjoy it, hard to tell at the moment

22) Option to see health status of creatures - it changes the balance of the game and such information makes the fights even easier

23) Framerate adjustment options - would have to see to make a verdict

24) Option to cycle through spell descriptions - another option for people with a goldfish memory

25) Option to make cursors larger (option not available on Windows 7 and Windows 8) - pointless

26) Option to apply sprite outlines and highlight the selected sprite - see #3, plus it looks ugly

27) Optional grayscale on pause - see #22, although this one isn't as annoying

28) Heal on rest option - cheat mode which encourages to use cheesy tactics

29) Max HP on level up - Qwinn's patch

30) Option to read descriptions for special abilities - there were descriptions in the game about them the first time we got them but yeah, it is an improvement

31) Quick item and spell descriptions - see #24

32) "Affected by" section added to character record - see #24

33) Fixed technical issues with plots - don't know what that means, I have never noticed any issues but then again I've been using Qwinn's patch

34 and 35) In-game help & More user interface feedback - lol, these ones are the most egregious IMO

36) Option to see walkable areas in area map - something for morons, it might hint for example how to get to Pharod

37) Journal / quest log highlights unread entries - see #24

38) Cloud saves (Steam-only) - cloud saves for P:T are available on GOG Galaxy

39) Keyboard navigation of the UI without overriding user hotkeys - it can be easily fixed

40) Aspect ratio support from 5:4 to 21:9 - free mods have that

41) Cheat commands and debug console - cheat commands are for morons, debug console might be actually useful and is a big plus

 

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"Planescape: Torment Enhanced Edition - coming April 11" - heh, how a wonky '1' key can ruin a perfect april fools joke... :D

 

[Luckmann]

If you can't handle anyone pointing out your dense fixation for too long:

Hey, feel free to point out anything I say, as long as I'm the one saying it. You can't keep your facts straight, though. And I'd still absolutely take EA over Beamdog. EA is a bacterial infection, the spread of which can be contained and safely ignored, and they're competent in their evil, and although reviled, can still be respected. Beamdog is a subversive virus who much like the HP-Virus before it is primarily focused on the nether regions and gives rise to insidious cancer within the host body. And like a cancer, it is not competent in it's evil, but merely destroys uncontrollably all that which it touches.

Beamdog; Virus, Cancer, Parasite.

Don't advocate piracy, on a DRM-Free platform, CUNT.

It's not piracy, it's archiving and conservation. And more importantly, about denying Beamdog revenue. Shortly, it will be near-impossible to get your hands on Planescape: Torment, without having it at the very least bundled with the "Enhanced" Edition, and without supporting Beamdog. You bet I'm going to advocate piracy in this instance.

In case the current Planescape torrent on The Pirate Bay ever drops dead, someone drop me a line. It's nothing short of a cultural treasure, and one I value higher than some broad that's trying to not laugh as a cook paints her.

 

[Iznaliu]

grammar fixes

Between this and ME:A's prescriptivist companion, the prescriptivist agenda is being heavily promoted in recent RPGs. The ultimate culmination and logical conclusion of this is a game where "OMG I'M A GRAMMAR NERD" and you run around shooting linguists and people who don't follow your personal style guide, while being aded by a 60-year old English teacher who also moonlighted as a copy editor.

 

[Lambach]

I've checked the list of 41 improvements that a re supposed to be so awesome and it doesn't look good. There are like 6-10 useful improvements (I've bolded the ones I found at least a bit interesting/useful), around 10 are conveniences for idiots and the rest is pointless. All in all I don't see how these improvements warrant a doubled price.

details

1) Chris Avellone editing pass - it's a nice touch but in the end insignificant (not to mention that grammar fixes were introduced via fan patches). Planescape: Torment has always been regarded as the pinnacle of writing in games so I don't see how it could be improved just by fixing grammar or name consistency, I certainly won't notice it because to me it's already superb.

2) Able to zoom out to gain a wider view of the game - zooming is unnecessary if one plays at proper resolution (or on CRT monitor) and it doesn't look good as can be seen in my example.

3) Object highlight mode - now this is a cheating mode and a change for the worse. Let me quote @t since he said it better than I could:

Ok, you just might be a moron. Highlighting objects will break quests as the game has been developed with no highlighting in mind - see stash quest in buried village. Changing text size, high resolution support, high res UI are already there in mods. So what, zoom? So you can switch between normal and pixelated as fuck? Because no upscaling of textures will happen.

And there is one mod pack you need to download that will install all the mods for you.

Edit: also mods will give you running (I.e. actually dangerous and not ones that you can run circles around) monsters.

4) Combat log available - that would make sense if combat wasn't awful in P:T and if it was turn-based. But since it is awful and since it is real time with pause and everything goes very fast (and there are often groups of enemies) it's just a pointless bonus.

5) Quick loot available - now this is the first convenience that makes sense and which isn't present in the mods AFAIK

6, 7) Steam achievements, Steam trading cards - pointless

8) Options to adjust text size - available with mods and can be easily installed via mods manager (and here you CHOOSE what to install, nothing is shoved down our throats)

9) Option to search the journal and quest text - convenience but at the same time it dumbs down the game since you don't have to remember anything. And it's hardly an achievement by Beamdog considering they've had source materials, if they would give them to the modders we would also get things like that and more

10) Option to set language from within game - doable via GOG Galaxy

11) Tooltips easier to read - had never problem with these but OK, let's say it is an improvement

12) Improved Pathfinding - all you need to do is to edit the torment.ini file in the game directory and change the appropriate line. Beamdog's version might be better, but again they've had source materials which modders had not.

13) Smooth Fog of War - haven't noticed any problem with it but OK

14) Options menu accessable from start screen - doesn't matter much, most of the options need to be seen in game anyway

15) Most recent save accessable from start screen - one click less, an improvement but not very important considering one will save like 5 minutes during entire game max

16) Movies and plot events now work correctily in windowed mode - don't know why would anyone play in window mode but yeah, this is a fix too. It's doable in the old version too though, although only by using a third party software AFAIK

17) Fewer clicks to cast spells, change weapons, use items, etc. - yes, that is an improvement, possibly the biggest, although UI looks fugly

18) Performing actions no longer obscures game world - not really, with mods that's not a problem

19) More autopause options - don't know what that is but I'm guessing it's pointless since combat in P:T is primitive and it's the last reason people are playing this game

20) Load screens removed - maybe when the game was on 4 CDs, with SSD drives loading is instant

21) Smoother area transitions - pointless, although some might enjoy it, hard to tell at the moment

22) Option to see health status of creatures - it changes the balance of the game and such information makes the fights even easier

23) Framerate adjustment options - would have to see to make a verdict

24) Option to cycle through spell descriptions - another option for people with a goldfish memory

25) Option to make cursors larger (option not available on Windows 7 and Windows 8) - pointless

26) Option to apply sprite outlines and highlight the selected sprite - see #3, plus it looks ugly

27) Optional grayscale on pause - see #22, although this one isn't as annoying

28) Heal on rest option - cheat mode which encourages to use cheesy tactics

29) Max HP on level up - Qwinn's patch

30) Option to read descriptions for special abilities - there were descriptions in the game about them the first time we got them but yeah, it is an improvement

31) Quick item and spell descriptions - see #24

32) "Affected by" section added to character record - see #24

33) Fixed technical issues with plots - don't know what that means, I have never noticed any issues but then again I've been using Qwinn's patch

34 and 35) In-game help & More user interface feedback - lol, these ones are the most egregious IMO

36) Option to see walkable areas in area map - something for morons, it might hint for example how to get to Pharod

37) Journal / quest log highlights unread entries - see #24

38) Cloud saves (Steam-only) - cloud saves for P:T are available on GOG Galaxy

39) Keyboard navigation of the UI without overriding user hotkeys - it can be easily fixed

40) Aspect ratio support from 5:4 to 21:9 - free mods have that

41) Cheat commands and debug console - cheat commands are for morons, debug console might be actually useful and is a big plus

Bleh, I knew hoping they'd revamp combat/spell system was too much. They did a pretty swell job with that in IWD, but I guess they couldn't be arsed with it on this one.

 

[Iznaliu]

Bleh, I knew hoping they'd revamp combat/spell system was too much. They did a pretty swell job with that in IWD, but I guess they couldn't be arsed with it on this one.

Probably because this is just a quick project to get Beamdog's name in the media while they work on their Next Big Thing™.

 

[CreamyBlood]

"I'm sorry sir, I beat the shit out of him.". exclaimed Creamyblood.

"Why? You're old.", said the old, grizzled cop.

"I Just got sick of the old rehashed faggot memes, sir, kinda lost it. I mean, they don't even say anything new, they're just newfags".

"That's okay we understand, if you come this way everything will be okay, we can discuss this in the morning.", said the nice police officer.

"Thanks, man, glad you get it".

Creamy wobbles off to the sunset. With harsh lighting in a jail cell.

"It's better this way. I'm sure of it".

Oh, cool, I like the padding, this is nice."

 

[Lilura]

12) Improved Pathfinding - all you need to do is to edit the torment.ini file in the game directory and change the appropriate line. Beamdog's version might be better

Might be better? The improvement is as a plain as day for those who aren't blinded by their buttmadness (I noticed it just in the vid and aVENGER confirmed right here in this thread). PS:T had the worst pathing routine of any IE RPG; worse even than the original but final-patch BG [1]. Common knowledge, that. Increasing search nodes to max in torment.ini didn't suddenly bring it to BG2 lvls, let alone SoD lvls. Common knowledge, too. Because they obviously made optimizations to the codebase that wasn't in the older, more primitive BG1 and PS:T engines. So yeah, it seems you are buttmad-blind. Maybe go get some sunshine and fresh air as it may stop you spewing this sort of shit.

[1] there are many examples of shitty pathing and combat unit "stickiness" in PS:T, plus the problem of combat units not attacking when you clicked on the enemy, even if the path to them was visibly unobstructed. What happened was, TNO or ally would just stand there waiting and only attack when the enemy closed in. This, again, is common knowledge (and true of original CD patched and current GoG version).