Baldur's Gate #BaldurGate: Siege of Dragonspear

[Black]

Oh yeah, I'm (rpg) watch-ing steam forums, codex, 8chan and beamdog.
Can't get enough.

 

[Immortal]

If this drama fallout is more entertaining than PoE as a game.. can we safely say SoD was better?

 

[Space Insect]

I love these Beamdog forums!

I write this summary of steam reviews of SoD showing that most of them are because of bugs and I tell the person not to strawman and I get this:

Did someone just learn the word "strawman"? I have researched the reviews quite extensively because this whole fiasco pisses me off to no end. It seems like you're conveniently leaving out those that attacked the game specifically for the inclusion of LGBTQ themes - I wonder why you would do that? As for the post you quoted, you can't possibly expect us to believe that a poster who uses the derisive term "SJW" would have been ok with the character if only she had MORE depth. And the hundreds of concentrated downvotes for positive reviews - those are because they're fired up about...technical issues? Is that right? Sorry, but I'm not the one misrepresenting the other side's argument here.

And then there was this wonderful posteron how the people who criticize the hamhandedness of the tranny:

Exactly so. It's a bald-faced lie, because if you put those posters on the spot and ask them to name a single LGBT character who does meet that supposed standard of "quality writing", they'd stammer like a machine gun and come up blank. It's a convenient - and transparent - excuse.

 

[Fitz]

Complete failure on all fronts.

Bugs galore,horrible writing,more progressive bullshit agenda.Ah,the smell of complete defeat

I think the backlash against the progressive shit was engineered in order to both distract from the mess the game is, to be able to silence critics by disregarding their criticism as not being progressive enough and to possibly gain press coverage. The tranny NPC and anti-gamergate meme spoken by Minsc were obviously bait and the gaming community as a whole has been played like a fiddle.

 

[Immortal]

Complete failure on all fronts.

Bugs galore,horrible writing,more progressive bullshit agenda.Ah,the smell of complete defeat

I think the backlash against the progressive shit was engineered in order to both distract from the mess the game is, to be able to silence critics by disregarding their criticism as not being progressive enough and to possibly gain press coverage. The tranny NPC and anti-gamergate meme spoken by Minsc were obviously bait and the gaming community as a whole has been played like a fiddle.

Does it count as conned - if the game doesn't sell for shit and I laugh my ass off all Sunday morning.

 

[FuriousGamer87]

Complete failure on all fronts.

Bugs galore,horrible writing,more progressive bullshit agenda.Ah,the smell of complete defeat

I think the backlash against the progressive shit was engineered in order to both distract from the mess the game is, to be able to silence critics by disregarding their criticism as not being progressive enough and to possibly gain press coverage. The tranny NPC and anti-gamergate meme spoken by Minsc were obviously bait and the gaming community as a whole has been played like a fiddle.

Well, by the look of the sales numbers, it is not working.
Thanks to Steam Refund and the like, bad publicity is bad publicity now.

 

[Kem0sabe]

I think the backlash against the progressive shit was engineered in order to both distract from the mess the game is, to be able to silence critics by disregarding their criticism as not being progressive enough and to possibly gain press coverage. The tranny NPC and anti-gamergate meme spoken by Minsc were obviously bait and the gaming community as a whole has been played like a fiddle.

You give them too much credit.

 

[Immortal]

I have no doubt this fiasco will generate media buzz.. The question is.. will that generate sales..

Spoiler

http://tale-of-tales.com/Sunset/blog/index.php/and-the-sun-sets/

And the sun sets…

After the barrage of sad tales about depression caused by indies turning into millionaires overnight, allow us to raise your spirits with a story about the liberating and energizing effects of complete commercial failure.

 

[GrainWetski]

Complete failure on all fronts.

Bugs galore,horrible writing,more progressive bullshit agenda.Ah,the smell of complete defeat

I think the backlash against the progressive shit was engineered in order to both distract from the mess the game is, to be able to silence critics by disregarding their criticism as not being progressive enough and to possibly gain press coverage. The tranny NPC and anti-gamergate meme spoken by Minsc were obviously bait and the gaming community as a whole has been played like a fiddle.

That would be pretty great. Sadly, we have this instead

 

[Black]

If I write posts am I a writer too?

 

[Immortal]

"You can take the employee out of Bioware, but you can't take Bioware out of the employee"

http://steamcommunity.com/app/228280/discussions/0/371918937272719959/

 

[Excidium II]

Complete failure on all fronts.

Bugs galore,horrible writing,more progressive bullshit agenda.Ah,the smell of complete defeat

I think the backlash against the progressive shit was engineered in order to both distract from the mess the game is, to be able to silence critics by disregarding their criticism as not being progressive enough and to possibly gain press coverage. The tranny NPC and anti-gamergate meme spoken by Minsc were obviously bait and the gaming community as a whole has been played like a fiddle.

That would be pretty great. Sadly, we have this instead

What a vile, disgusting creature.

 

[Hegel]

That would be pretty great. Sadly, we have this instead

What a smug cunt, don't they have real a PR to handle those miscommunications? Has anybody told her yet that nobody gives a fuck about her integrity, it's their consumers that matter, bottom line those who pay for the game and her salary?
That's the problem with creatives, they believe they're artists and start talking about creative integrity. No, most of you are just trash, do your goddamn job.

 

[Fitz]

That would be pretty great. Sadly, we have this instead

Okay, I realize now that I was just being paranoid. The dumbfuck is strong in this one.

 

[Lacrymas]

She is right in that she's the writer and creator, too bad she's a shitty one and thinks adding trannies and gg memes makes the game "inclusive" and "not boring". She has a looooooooooooooooooooong way to go.

...it's their consumers that matter, bottom line those who pay for the game and her salary?
That's the problem with creatives, they believe they're artists and start talking about creative integrity. No, most of you are just trash, do your goddamn job.

It's kinda more complicated than that. Art exists outside of any kind of preconceptions, tastes, worldviews and relations to it. Schoenberg proved that a hundred years ago. It's oversimplified of course, not all art is like that, but still. The difference between him and her is that he's actually a creator and not just a dilettante.

 

[CrimsonAngel]

This entire shit show is amazing to watch. I am going to go to bed and i hope to wake op to even more of this shit.

 

[Immortal]

Stupidity is contagious... Need to burn the contagion at the source to stop the spreading..

RefundRefundRefund

 

[Trodat]

Yet ~90% or more of their customers are white/cis/males.

 

[FeelTheRads]

/end

????????

What the fuck is that? End what? End post? I can see the post ended.
Got the feeling she wanted that micdrop gif there or something like that.

Anyway, this is the second time she basically says "deal with it", so I'd assume they have no issues with people not buying the game because of this? Why would you want these hateful shitlords as your customers, right?

 

[Hegel]

It's kinda more complicated than that. Art exists outside of any kind of preconceptions, tastes, worldviews and relations to it. Schoenberg proved that a hundred years ago. It's oversimplified of course, not all art is like that, but still. The difference between him and her is that he's actually a creator and not just a dilettante.

She's not creating art, she's developing a game.

 

[pippin]

/end

She was trying to /thread the discussion, but she clearly does not know it doesn't work like that.

 

[Immortal]

Notice how all the big social justice mega phones are hack writers?

I don't see the engine developers or sound engineers posting on tumblr about minorities. It's just two or three fuck wits who contribute nothing but their social agendas after everyone else busted their ass getting the game finished.

While the men go off to work all day, the cucks come out to play.

EDIT
INB4 aVENGER comes in here and calls me a cis-white asshole..

 

[Lacrymas]

They are still completely missing the point of writing. It's not about what the character ARE, it's about what they DO influenced by what they are (oversimplifying). It doesn't matter if they are a black gay Jew if all they do is just exist.

She's not creating art, she's developing a game.

If you have an idealized view of art, sure. There is much more bad art than good, as the ever graceful Amber has shown us.

 

[Space Insect]

I don't know which is worse, the lying of n-space devs, or the blatant saying of "fuck you" to all of your customers and then going and begging them to review your game positively that we are seeing at Beamdog.

 

[Ninjerk]

It is the same old shit we saw from Bioware. By bringing up the name they are creating a us vs them kind of situation and more or less throwing some blame on the codex and our Tranny hating ways.

They're on the verge of making us their "Jewish Problem." Oh my sides, the irony.

Also, first response to Trent's begging post:

Sorry to portray you in a bad light, but don't you think that asking your playerbase for such a move (despite the sinister behaviour from people, who are zero-ing the game purely because of 2 minor details) will act as extra ammo against you? I might be doomsaying but I can imagine people saying things such as "This game's so bad devs are begging people to make positive reviews!", effectively leading to a "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. I find the game to be sweet so please see this as my personal concern rather than an aggressive approach.