Yet Another Morrowind Thread

[Burning Bridges]

most hardcore modders like to dangerously flirt with the concept of pretending to be "minimalist" and installing five mods max before relapsing and spending six months smushing together 500 mods into one install. there is no in-between

And in many ways it is very amusing. To see people not only feel the same longing and frustration like yourself one day but unable to move on.

 

[Funposter]

Instead they did take it into a new (for TES) direction in MW by making the faction reputations interact with each other purely narratively (cf Fighters and Thieves guilds questlines).

it's really interesting how people will make authoritative statements like this when a quick visit to any faction page on the UESP would pull up a chart like this

As Thal stated, faction reputation affects NPC disposition. The formula is (Faction Reaction * 5)*(0.5 +(Faction Rank *0.5)) which is then added or subtracted to the NPC's base disposition, which itself is determined by the Personality stat, race and general Reputation (separate from faction). It doesn't often come up, but a character with low Personality and a high rank in a few factions may find that NPCs from opposing factions will have a low enough disposition to simply not speak with them, or at least refuse services etc

 

[Shadenuat]

You misquoted Funposter, it was Sceptic post. I doubt he doesn't know about the table too, that's not really the point, but that faction mechanics don't make them affect each other (like in New Vegas where factions fight each other).

 

[Funposter]

You misquoted Funposter, it was Sceptic post.

i fix

 

[alyvain]

Sorry, I just liked this one a lot

 

[janior]

what a way to go

 

[Jaedar]

Morrowind is a cool game, but also soooo very broken.

I started a playthrough as a mage a few weeks back, at this point I met the dissidents and became archmagister of telvanni. The combat is fairly bad, the graphics are very flat and low on polygons (dat artystle is great though) and there's not a lot of standard roleplaying (dialogue options, multiple quest solutions, etc). Even so, I am having a great time teleporting and flying around vvardenfell and spitting on loser redorans.

I feel like mages are kind of bad at combat (most combat options cost too much magicka to be efficient and magicka potions are expensive and rare), so my actual combat tactics have mostly devolved into using various enchanted items, mostly for summoning stuff (my conjuration is low level, but even if it wasn't I suspect the magicka costs would be too high). Although half the time I just use levitate and fly past (suckers who can't fly aren't worthy of my fists). This is balanced out by mages being the best at everything else though, and teleporting around with 0 effort is nice.

The quests are mostly interesting, even if there are quite a lot of "go to X, talk to Y, come back" (the context and writing is usually interesting). The lore is great, I am actually hoping to find more in game books to provide more context for the history of Nerevar and the tribunal.

But it's more fun to whine about the game being broken. It's ridiculous how you get ambushed by assassins wearing one of the best armors in the game (and the ones that are better seem to be exceedingly rare or in "post mq" areas) the first time you go to sleep. It's ridiculous how even coming close to the enchantment limit of a lot of items requires hundreds of levels in enchanting while some of the best spells and effects can be cast by a complete novice (or enchanted into a cast on use ring for cheap).

Still, I am surprised how well it holds up. I'm running openMW with only a minor gameplay mod (quicker plant harvesting) and hacked view distance and it plays very well. Only thing that really annoys me is being asked how many potions I want to pick up every time I try to drink one.

I hesitate to ask, but are there any gameplay overhauls that fix the brokenness without being shit? Might try one for another character once I am done with MQ+Tribunal.

 

[Sigourn]

Jaedar For OpenMW, I have no idea.

For standard Morrowind:

• For Dark Brotherhood attacks, use Expansion Delay. You will get attacked only when you advance far enough in the main quest (after you become Hlaalu Hortator).
• For potion spamming, Controlled Consumption is great. I use a different mod myself but Controlled Consumption is simple and it works.
• For overall gameplay brokenness, you can use Morrowind Anti-Cheese, Beware the Sixth House, Tribunal Rebalance, and Bloodmoon Rebalance.

But if you want a truly non-broken experience, you will need far more mods, and many would argue at least one of them (my favorite) takes the fun out of the game.

 

[Hag]

Morrowind is a cool game, but also soooo very broken.

I feel like mages are kind of bad at combat (most combat options cost too much magicka to be efficient and magicka potions are expensive and rare), so my actual combat tactics have mostly devolved into using various enchanted items, mostly for summoning stuff (my conjuration is low level, but even if it wasn't I suspect the magicka costs would be too high). Although half the time I just use levitate and fly past (suckers who can't fly aren't worthy of my fists). This is balanced out by mages being the best at everything else though, and teleporting around with 0 effort is nice.

If you join the Mage Guild you can use their chests with free magicka potions that replenish once a day or something like that. Feel free to use and abuse. You can also train your alchemy to become self-sufficient in potions, which will take some time, but the guild will cover your needs meantime.

 

[Caim]

what a way to go

When you try to T-pose to assert your dominance but fail.

 

[Poseidon00]

id play nationalist nerevar tho.

Yeah, that's a good alternate take on the story path and should have been available from the start.

 

[Sigourn]

I released two quest expansion mods these past couple of days. Hope you guys like them.

• Redoran Founder's Helm Add-on - Arena Duel.
• Guard Sarethi Manor Add-on - Morag Tong Hit Squad.

They should make these quests considerably more interesting and epic.

 

[deuxhero]

Thinking of doing fresh install and staying on mainland (Tamriel Rebuilt) areas with quests in OpenMW. Any recomendations for mods beyond Patch for Purists and GCD Lean?

 

[Brujoloco]

Thinking of doing fresh install and staying on mainland (Tamriel Rebuilt) areas with quests in OpenMW. Any recomendations for mods beyond Patch for Purists and GCD Lean?

Try my loadscreens! They add a bit more flavor to the game and literally wont alter anything beyond it if you want to keep the game pure: https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/48576

Sadly since you are on OpenMW I cant recommend a lot of my fav mods which work only with MWSE like Ashfall and many many others, which is the only thing stopping me to switch fully to it, but there are several good mods out there that dont require MWSE.

Depends on what you want though, exploration, combat, quests, locations, dungeons? too many to list at a whim.

As a start check my friend RandomPal suggestions here:

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/48812

Hope this helps! I am also very open to sharing MW info about modding as I am an avid modder for the game

 

[deuxhero]

Brujoloco
I did wind up installing MW, setting up mods and playing by the time you posted. Starting modlist is some optimization/convenience/eye candy mods, TR and its friend and GCD with start script fixed (found it recommended over lean). Added a few Telvanni expansions before doing much of anything on mainland. I'm surprised my MW folder is less than 8GB (Base install was 2 something GB, and most of the current is Tamriel Data+the better textures).

I guess I'll add the loading screens. I won't see them much though, since OpenMW is really stable (14 hours and not a single crash) and load times are actually pretty decent (initial load is short and area transition loads are just a short pause). I'm avoiding city expansion mods because I'm more interested in interesting quests expansions and city expansions tend to be huge compatibility mess.

Pearl collection isn't as broken as selling homemade potions/filled soul gems/unguarded valuable items you can get with metaknowledge or selling things back for more than you bought them for, but it's still really good at wrecking the economy. Once you've got the Boots of Blinding Speed, and enough magic to cast water walking+a decent TK spell you can easily grab dozens of pearls quickly, easily and safely to afford plenty of training (which matters in GCD since misc skills still increase your attributes).

 

[Brujoloco]

Brujoloco

Pearl collection isn't as broken as selling homemade potions/filled soul gems/unguarded valuable items you can get with metaknowledge or selling things back for more than you bought them for, but it's still really good at wrecking the economy. Once you've got the Boots of Blinding Speed, and enough magic to cast water walking+a decent TK spell you can easily grab dozens of pearls quickly, easily and safely to afford plenty of training (which matters in GCD since misc skills still increase your attributes).

Hmmm, if you want to truly limit yourself in way to avoid breaking the economy you can try this mod:

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/47130
This mod adjusts the economy in a much more "realistic" way and it is based on a classical and very complex mod that adjusted the economy .


or if you want wide change small but powerful mods:

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/48070

This simply makes coins have real weight, it can be a real gamechanger!

 

[lukaszek]

ive decided to go back and enjoy morrowind on ultra wide. Got mge xe and code patch installed. It looks nice but I think it used to look better? For example I recall night being so dark you cant explore without night eyes or light source and its not the case now. Any idea what am I missing based on this description? I sort of went with defaults in mge xe

 

[Brujoloco]

ive decided to go back and enjoy morrowind on ultra wide. Got mge xe and code patch installed. It looks nice but I think it used to look better? For example I recall night being so dark you cant explore without night eyes or light source and its not the case now. Any idea what am I missing based on this description? I sort of went with defaults in mge xe

Well, light behaves differently in MGE XE , personally I would recommend you try this amazing mod :

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/47133

That is True Light and Darkness Necro Edit , it approaches what you might consider old style blackouts and to top it off it is customizable if you want to delve into it using MWSE.

With MWSE you can literally create specific light presets on the fly and it is super super easy to do with the ingame menu.

Also you can further tweak light settings externally as well using MGE XE directly .

Some of the most common values to play around until you get what you want are these:

Go to "Dynamic Lighting Coefficients" setting "In-Game" tab in MGE XE and input any of these values


#1(3.250, 0, 0.360)

#2(2.619, 1.0, 0.382)

#3(4.200, 0, 0.340)

#4(5.400, 0, 0.270)

You can begin tweaking these at your leisure but personally I prefer modifications done on the fly with MWSE.

Bear in mind some other settings within MGE XE affect light as well, like presets which to make a long story short are like very light versions of reshades the engine can recreate within Morrowind.

You can find some common presets here if you want different light and color on your own version of Morrowind:

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/44223

MGE XE and MWSE are the main reasons I can not simply switch to OpenMW, due to the amount of incredible mods out there for it.

 

[lukaszek]

#1(3.250, 0, 0.360)

#2(2.619, 1.0, 0.382)

#3(4.200, 0, 0.340)

#4(5.400, 0, 0.270)

got latest, there are just 3 options, quadratic linear and constant, single double in each


As per graphix, after poking around it appears that I used to fool with mgso in past, that appear to use outdated tools now.
How does one make it pretty with latest mge xe? It does look fine now but I want to be amazed

 

[Brujoloco]

#1(3.250, 0, 0.360)

#2(2.619, 1.0, 0.382)

#3(4.200, 0, 0.340)

#4(5.400, 0, 0.270)

got latest, there are just 3 options, quadratic linear and constant, single double in each

As per graphix, after poking around it appears that I used to fool with mgso in past, that appear to use outdated tools now.
How does one make it pretty with latest mge xe? It does look fine now but I want to be amazed

Yep, first number, say #2 says 2.619 , so you put it in the quadratic , on linear you put 1.0 and on constant 0.382 , you can literally tweak them at your leisure and each will do something different to the light in game.

MGSO is so old it is used as a reference tool for what not to do these days.

To make Morrowind "Pretty" you need texture packs+ world mods.

If you are truly new to modding morrowind please use as reference the thread by my good friend Randompal Here:

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/48812

It is pretty self explanatory .

In short you need to sit down, think what you want out of the game and begin slowly to add mods. I heartily recommend you use Wrye Mash, to keep everything neat and easy , never install mods manually it is a recipe for disaster haha.

You can get the latest Wrye Mash here as I enjoy this particular fork : https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/45439

With Wrye mash you can add mods and remove them with relative ease and even have mods installed and enable or disable them at your leisure. It can also help fix savegame errors and a lot of other things as well.

You also need to understand that if you install MWSE you can reduce your mod list considerably as all MWSE mods are ultra light, change and improve the game considerably and do not mess your modlist either as they are loaded directly into the game.

If you are still lost then please consider just watching a tutorial on MGE XE and general Morrowind modding, it is old but the basics remain the same:



Also all the effort on the game pays off , here are some images on how the game can look with minimal modding:

This was done with just
MCP 2.4

MGE XE

Darknut Texture Pack (World textures 1.1 plus all other creature packs)

Vurts Ground Textures (all of them)

Hope it helps :D

 

[lukaszek]

if orc reaches 100% resist magicka, does it counter agillity drain from berzerk power?

 

[Brujoloco]

if orc reaches 100% resist magicka, does it counter agillity drain from berzerk power?

That is an amazing question. Sadly I rarely play anything but Argonians so my orc mechanics/knowledge is close to NIL .

Now from what I know Resist Magicka will protect faithfully from everything but elemental damage, poison and paralyze, so technically agility drain should be cancelled.

I rarely play like that anymore though as I use patches and mods that limit anything above 100 and create hardcaps on certain effects to avoid cheesing the game, but if you can manage that in vanilla then I see no reason why it would not block the absorb effect, unless it is a drain one, dont remember at the moment of the orc racial.

The MCP patch usually fixes and negates some of these self looping mechanics though.

 

[Funposter]

if orc reaches 100% resist magicka, does it counter agillity drain from berzerk power?

Does the Orc's inherent 25% reduce the amount of Agility drained by default? If not, then the answer is no.

 

[lukaszek]

I see no reason why it would not block the absorb effect, unless it is a drain one,

it is drain

if orc reaches 100% resist magicka, does it counter agillity drain from berzerk power?

Does the Orc's inherent 25% reduce the amount of Agility drained by default? If not, then the answer is no.

get ready to have your mind blown then, I've just used console to test.

If your resist magicka is lower than 100, then you get hit by full 100 agility penalty. If you reach 100% resist, you resist drain on power cast, positive effects stay.

That along with male orc 1.35 movement speed factor and 50 starting endurance makes that race quite superior as long as heavy magic casting isnt involved right?
You can still get around that power by using marksman weapons or spears

BTW I've learnt something about leveling skills that I wasnt aware of before.
I was aware that specialisation bonus makes leveling of some skills easier. Now I know whats the factor: 0.8
What I was completely unaware that major/minor/misc groups also affects leveling speed, its multiplicative to above
major - 0.75
minor - 1.0
misc - 1.25

And here I thoughts that its just about starting bonus. Major spec skill got 0.6 factor!

 

[Funposter]

If your resist magicka is lower than 100, then you get hit by full 100 agility penalty. If you reach 100% resist, you resist drain on power cast, positive effects stay.

Figured it would work like Damage etc. and block a portion, but I guess it makes sense that Drain always works as intended until 100% resistance is achieved.

That along with male orc 1.35 movement speed factor and 50 starting endurance makes that race quite superior as long as heavy magic casting isnt involved right?

I'd say that Orc and Breton are unequivocally the best races in the game for non-magic and magic-focused builds, respectively. There really isn't much competition.