Wasteland Wasteland 2 Pre-Release Discussion Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Aeschylus]

Yes, that is probably true, but sadly the media companies in the US have disturbingly long arms... see stuff like ACTA, English kids getting taken to court in the US, etc. And even so, while there's a few countries with very lax copyright laws, in most places it lasts for 50-80 years.

 

[felipepepe]

Yes, that is probably true, but sadly the media companies in the US have disturbingly long arms... see stuff like ACTA, English kids getting taken to court in the US, etc.

Ha ha, good luck, I'm behind 7 proxies in Brazil! :p

 

[Pegultagol]

Cool story bro. Attention whoring too much?

Just planting seeds, planting seeds. And my craving for attention has been sated, probably good till Oct 2013.

 

[pocahaunted]

These fucking people are obsessed with sexuality, does it have to be crammed into everything? Pretty funny how one of them also defended their stance on account of realism, as if queers, or what have you, weren't a minority.

 

[Stabwound]

http://brokenforum.com/index.php?threads/wasteland-2-the-wastelandening.1350/#post-65788

Nice link. This Gus Smedstad doesn't come across like a butthurt has-been at all. Nope, not even slightly.

 

[Zed]

I've never really had anything against the LGBTQ community but for some reason they seem to be increasingly visible and vocal -- especially in gaming. And I haven't even visited the Bioware boards. Starting to get slightly annoyed.

 

[Monocause]

Of course he doesn't. He just reasonably claims basing on his experience that this ADHD Fargo guy isn't too bright, more of an obstacle than anything else - definitely ill-suited to running a project of any sort - and that donating on this project is a sign of naivete, like this Borland stock he once purchased.

Deep in heart, however, I'm sure he wishes the WL2 team all the best and keeps fingers crossed that they deliver.

 

[Whisky]

The main thing about homosexuality and romances in games like these is that if it's going to be included, it has to come naturally. For all the major, MAJOR problems with the romances in Baldur's Gate 2, they didn't seem to be a coldly plotted scheme to market the game towards lonely people, they just seemed like a nice thing they wanted to add to increase party banter.

Likewise, New Vegas is a game that handled homosexual characters well. Arcade isn't the gay guy, he's a smart man who wants to help people out, and at the same time he has a past that he's not too proud of. The purpose of the character isn't that he's gay or fuckable (Which he isn't.) but that aspect of him still exists as a part of his character, it's just not the center of his being.

Oddly enough, for all the talk about diversity these people talk about, they're only wanting a shallow virtual love-doll in their games. They want a gay party member, instead of a party member who happens to be gay.

 

[Jasede]

That's just the thing. If you include this kind of stuff "by design" it's always stilted. Honestly, nobody should care if there are any queer characters in the game. Nobody should care. Hate 'em? Kill 'em! Love 'em? I don't know, give them a medkit!

It just bothers me a bit that people are actually clamoring for this kind of stuff. RPGs are about using skills and killing things. About having adventures. They're not supposed to be some kind of soap opera to satisfy your need for company or whatever reason there could possibly be to have "romances".

 

[shihonage]

Bioware fans outnumber us, and chances are, their donations to Wasteland 2 project outnumbered those of "sane individuals" as well.

Guess what's going to happen if Wasteland 2 actually starts resembling Fallout 1 in all the good ways...

Petitions, protest, withdrawal of support, "community pressure".

And in will go Bioware romances, out will go turn-based combat, and then Fargo will say that "they achieved a reasonable balance between old and what's expected from a modern game", and everything that that implies. He will also be drawn to the simplified Bioware model of dialogue and narrative control because it's much simpler and understandable to a modern game programmer.

 

[Crooked Bee]

Bioware fans outnumber us, and chances are, their donations to Wasteland 2 project outnumbered those of "sane individuals" as well.

Guess what's going to happen if Wasteland 2 actually starts resembling Fallout 1 in all the good ways...

Petitions, protest, withdrawal of support, "community pressure".

And in will go Bioware romances, out will go turn-based combat, and then Fargo will say that "they achieved a reasonable balance between old and what's expected from a modern game", and everything that that implies. He will also be drawn to the simplified Bioware model of dialogue and narrative control because it's much simpler and understandable to a modern game programmer.

Well, I'm going to laugh sooo hard if that happens. In fact, I'm laughing right now just imagining that. Also, it'll make having an RPGCodex shrine in-game even funnier.

Still worth it to give it a chance, though.

 

[Jasede]

I don't want to believe that. I want to believe that he'll stick to his word and I want to believe most of the funding came from old farts that grew up on Wasteland and miss having no party-based, turn-based RPGs. If I had to make a wild guess, those people probably have a lot more money than your typical Bioware fan.

And if I'm proven wrong? Then at least I can whine and complain about it, the only thing I am good for anymore.

 

[Oesophagus]

You know, I think that if Fargo wanted to make a generic action shooter and just name it Wasteland 2, he could have done so a long time ago. The reason he was snubbed by publishers was because he wanted W2 to be true to its roots, and that's not very "next-gen". Why would he now pander to the frustrations of Biodrone virgins? It makes no sense.

 

[Pegultagol]

Now I am almost willing to donate to that new ending petition for ME3 that the biodrones have set up just to get them off the backs of Fargo and co.

 

[CappenVarra]

Well, I'll keep my fingers crossed this nonsense blows over and there isn't even as much as an "r" of romance in Wasteland 2. Just like this Kickstarter campaign appeals to actual RPG fans by at least claiming to resemble actual RPGs and dump all the bullshit we've been hearing for over a decade (so people who're fed up with it jumped at the opportunity to finance it), there will soon be potential for virtual romance haters. If Fargo based a second marketing campaign on "people who play vidyagames for virtual romance are irredeemable losers, and no, we're not including them in a god damn RPG you perverts - get lost", I'd like to think they could double the donations... or not.


or, while I'm daydreaming, have a Ken St Andre interview saying "I'm 63 years old and have been in the RPG industry longer than most of you faggots have been alive, and I just want to say: you are doing it wrong."

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

Re: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...ckstarter-now-live.70238/page-40#post-2004931

Let us begin the beguine.


If you see ridiculous nonsense, post a link and what it is you saw and I'll edit it into this thread.

For starters:

• Regarding LARPy fucking nonsense: http://wasteland.inxile-entertainment.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4862#p4862
• Regarding future funding: http://wasteland.inxile-entertainment.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=336
• Regarding Biowaring companions: http://wasteland.inxile-entertainment.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=296
• More LARPy relationship nonsense: http://wasteland.inxile-entertainment.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5246#p5246
• Regarding M.E. Bioshit dialog-vapidity: http://wasteland.inxile-entertainment.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=450
• Regarding Fallout Bethtards: http://wasteland.inxile-entertainment.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4037#p4037
• Regarding the lack of necessity for outlining the unnecessary: http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=1f7176&t=1f7176.42&q=1f7176.651103
• Regarding Biowhore and their shiteating fans: http://wasteland.inxile-entertainment.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8326#p8326
• Regarding SHINY GRAFICKS! http://wasteland.inxile-entertainment.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=555
• Regarding turn-based combat: http://wasteland.inxile-entertainment.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=265

**Hall of Retards taken down. May have jumped the gun on a few members. Too hard to single out people for idiotic posting habits anyway. Shit. I'd have half the members here on that list eventually.

 

[Renegen]

I dont think the Bioware fans outnumber the sane fans who donated to Wasteland 2. Biodrones are probably not even old enough to have a credit card, but second they are just a vocal minority. People enjoy quality, otherwise the whole basis of this website would be in question. Many however just don't know their history or have this industry-created fear that old games are terrifyingly complex and abstruse, and they must stick to new games or else their brain would explode. So basically they don't give a rat's ass about Wasteland, if they did, they'd love turn based.

 

[Stabwound]

You know, I think that if Fargo wanted to make a generic action shooter and just name it Wasteland 2, he could have done so a long time ago. The reason he was snubbed by publishers was because he wanted W2 to be true to its roots, and that's not very "next-gen". Why would he now pander to the frustrations of Biodrone virgins? It makes no sense.

I totally agree. He said somewhere that the mock publisher meetings in the kickstarter video are very true to life and representative of actual responses he's had, and I don't doubt it.

I would be amazed if some publisher didn't want a cash-in on the Fallout 3 craze with a Wasteland 2. I believe Fargo is telling the truth and is going to do the right thing.

 

[MisterStone]

There is a lot of talk from people who don't want the game to be set in the American southwest or some other desert area. Bros, we can't let this happen.

 

[Havoc]

No romance, but I liked the "houses" in Baldur's Gate 2.

 

[Unkillable Cat]

Thanks for the replies.

Downloading Abandonware is illegal, period. It's just one of those crimes that warrant next to no attention.

The reason I asked for these answers, is because this e-zine has botched things up in the past, and most likely will do so again. Icelandic journalism still has a lot of catching up to do. I sent them the corrections through their comment system, their immediate reply was to ask their readers via Facebook what constituted a Sandbox game. So far the replies have been mostly about "freedom within a game" and games like Grand Theft Auto, Saints Row and Fallout and Baldur's Gate have been mentioned. Also EvE Online, of course. I was all ready to debate the fact that the aforementioned games (sans EvE) were in fact not sandbox games, but since Icelandic gamers don't seem to have much of a clue, nor a care, I left it alone.

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

There is a lot of talk from people who don't want the game to be set in the American southwest or some other desert area. Bros, we can't let this happen.

Provide links whenever you see questionable threads/posts!

 

[Alex_Steel]

http://wasteland.inxile-entertainment.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=336

Here, put it in the OP.

 

[Haraldur]

I doubt that they would change the setting from the Southwest USA (though the Mexico idea was interesting), but something different would not be ALL bad, surely? I imagine that, given that Wasteland (which I have not played so please correct me if I am wrong) is set after a 1998 nuclear war with a still-existing USSR and therefore Yugoslavia (probably) did not collapse pre-war, a setting of post-apocalyptic Bosnia (leaving your vault/whatever to kill a scapegoated Croat to avenge the war?) would be such a clusterfuck as to provide the Codex with all the hardcore, mature, depressing, gritty grimdark it could want.

Though maybe that would be too politically incorrect.

 

[Awor Szurkrarz]

To be honest, I missed stuff like Miria and Ms Bishop when playing BG.