Warcraft III: Reforged - now with lowest user metacritic score of all time

[rusty_shackleford]

Going to go out on a limb and guess that like most companies that deteriorate, it's filled with management that was hired because they were friends/family of talent rather than actual talent.

In case of videogames I think it has more to do with the responsible corporate adults taking over the management from nerds. For them it becomes a "product" and they don't really comprehend what makes it good.

There's a good chance it's actually the opposite problem happening

 

[Lyric Suite]

Why not both?

 

[catfood]

I don't think Zappa's argument applies to gaming. I mean it could to a certain extent, but remember that games in the past were made by nerds with a passion for computers and D&D, sci-fi or fantasy in general. So in essence they did know what the customers wanted because they had similar interests to their own. Today the people in charge have neither, whether they be suits or hipsters.

 

[Reinhardt]

I don't think Zappa's argument applies to gaming. I mean it could to a certain extent, but remember that games in the past were made by nerds with a passion for computers and D&D, sci-fi or fantasy in general. So in essence they did know what the customers wanted because they had similar interests to their own. Today the people in charge have neither, whether they be suits or hipsters.

Today they actually hate games.

 

[Lyric Suite]

but remember that games in the past were made by nerds with a passion for computers and D&D, sci-fi or fantasy in general.

Yeah but that was the past. Back in Zappa's days music was made by people who had a passion for it and the guys with the cigars just let their stuff fly because they had no idea what any of it was about, they just let it rip until one of those bands made it big. In some cases, the producers actually DID know a thing or two about music. The guy who produced The Beatles was a classical trained pianist who actually took the time to improve any technical deficiency the band had.

Come the 80s though and now the record industry was filled with clueless retards who thought they knew everything.

It's the same with games now. The 80s and 90s were for us what the 60s and 70s were in Zappa's analogy, and now the industry is filled with pretentious hipster retards instead of the nerds of old. Just compare modern Blizzard teams:

With the people who created the company:

I mean, even Michael Morhaime, the money guy of the company, was an engineer and a nerd who played bass in their little metal band:

 

[Reinhardt]

Sorry, Lyric Suite retadred rating is not for your post. I just can't help but rate soyfaces with

 

[MWaser]

 

[Reinhardt]

Imagine being that doggo. He's actually looking to asians for help on this photo.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Maybe you are right and it looked better than the 3d of the time. But it still was rather bad. People frequently say the older 3d aged badly, but I thought it was always bad, to be honest.

Yeah but your beef is with early 3D in general then, not with this game in particular.

I always thought that Battle Realms withstood the test of time better than Warcraft 3.

It didn't. The terrain for instance is flat and boring in Battle Realms, where as in Warcraft 3 it's varied and feels better thought out, has a better sense of altitude in it etc. Comparing screen shots doesn't work it's the way the game works in motion that's impressive with WC3, technologically speaking.

Battle Realms was basically made as if it was a 2D game:



You could replace the 3D models with sprites and it wouldn't make a difference where as Warcraft 3 took better advantage of the 3D space:



Of course, Blizzard had more money so we expected this extra level of polish. Not anymore i guess. Also, what sank Battle Realms was the lack of something like Battle.net which is hilarious considering how shitty Battle.net is today.

 

[Harthwain]

It didn't. The terrain for instance is flat and boring in Battle Realms, where as in Warcraft 3 it's varied and feels better thought out, has a better sense of altitude in it etc. Comparing screen shots doesn't work it's the way the game works in motion that's impressive with WC3, technologically speaking.

Battle Realms was basically made as if it was a 2D game. You could replace the 3D models with sprites and it wouldn't make a difference where as Warcraft 3 took better advantage of the 3D space.

I wasn't comparing the screenshots. I was talking about the live gameplay. I even checked it after you made your comment, in case it was nostalgia speaking, but no. I don't think that a 2D game looking like 3D is a bad thing. It may be less advanced from technological standpoint, but the end result is really good. At least for me.

 

[abija]

Going to go out on a limb and guess that like most companies that deteriorate, it's filled with management that was hired because they were friends/family of talent rather than actual talent.

Not necessarily it. At a certain size the company is going to be targeted by people who join just for easy money. Their only focus is getting to high payed positions that have very little to do and can easily pass blame. And the worst mistake is not realizing just how skilled they are at what they do and that they work just as hard as the talent at bettering themselves.
These guys will never miss a chance to hire loyal useless minions just to strengthen their position. Much more frequent/dangerous than actual talent doing it, because those guys care about their work.

 

[Cross]

I always thought that Battle Realms withstood the test of time better than Warcraft 3.

It didn't. The terrain for instance is flat and boring in Battle Realms, where as in Warcraft 3 it's varied and feels better thought out, has a better sense of altitude in it etc.

Battle Realms' maps have plenty of elevation, so much so that having the higher ground is a very tangible game mechanic:

 

[Generic-Giant-Spider]

I too also thought WC3 was a hideous game when it came out. Much preferred WC2's visuals.

 

[d1r]

2D visuals, when done right, will always be superior to 3D, imo.

And they of course age way better too.

 

[luj1]

Battle Realms, KKnD, Impossible Creatures, Myth 2: Soulblighter were all monocled strategy games.

 

[Danikas]

Battle Realms, KKnD, Impossible Creatures, Myth 2: Soulblighter were all monocled strategy games.

 

[luj1]

Battle Realms, KKnD, Impossible Creatures, Myth 2: Soulblighter were all monocled strategy games.

 

[shihonage]

So there's a torrent floating around calling itself WC3 1.29 - was anyone brave enough to check if this is the last legit version of WC3, complete with widescreen support?

 

[Danikas]

Battle Realms, KKnD, Impossible Creatures, Myth 2: Soulblighter were all monocled strategy games.

Some excellent tracks in that game


This would fit right in classic Fallouts.

 

[Lyric Suite]

So there's a torrent floating around calling itself WC3 1.29 - was anyone brave enough to check if this is the last legit version of WC3, complete with widescreen support?

Even if it is, i assume you'd have to block the executable with a firewall because the version with widescreen support was tied to the launcher, which updates as soon as you run the game.

In fact if i knew i'd have blocked it right away but now it's too late.

I got the electronic versions of the game stashed away in my hardware, the downloads Blizzard offered before, and they go as high as 1.27.

 

[Danikas]

Real decline is in Rts genre compare the 90s and early 2000s to the situation today. Rts games are almost dead and instead of them we get retarted mobas.

 

[luj1]

DotA killed the RTS genre. You could say it was the hero concept present in Warcraft 3 that prompted the decline.

We did have a brief resurgence in the form of DoW 1, though. That was the last great RTS.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Yeah well this was supposed to revitalized the scene, maybe pave the way to Warcraft 4, or so thought the poor deluded Blizzfans. Ho, the ironing!

 

[Danikas]

We did have a brief resurgence in the form of DoW 1, though. That was the last great RTS.

I would consider World in Conflict to be last great Rts had so much fun with it. I found it funny how Wargame: Red Dragon from 2014 looks like shit compared to it.

 

[MWaser]

idk what you guys are on about, I found the warcraft 3 base graphics pretty aesthetic (aside from some units looking particularly bad, but I would count them more as exceptions than the rule)

So there's a torrent floating around calling itself WC3 1.29 - was anyone brave enough to check if this is the last legit version of WC3, complete with widescreen support?

Even if it is, i assume you'd have to block the executable with a firewall because the version with widescreen support was tied to the launcher, which updates as soon as you run the game.

In fact if i knew i'd have blocked it right away but now it's too late.

I got the electronic versions of the game stashed away in my hardware, the downloads Blizzard offered before, and they go as high as 1.27.

I've moved my current warcraft 3 folder between like 4 computers, which was a CD install (of someone else's CD so also cracked) and now I'm sticking with that barely working 1.28.

Amazingly enough warcraft 3 is one of those games that you can just move the folder with the game files around and launch it everywhere with the executable.