Grand Strategy Victoria 3

[Turrul]

Paradox rips off the most successful mods

I wish. The most successful mods tend to be successful because they do SOMETHING really damn well. Paradox never takes that SOMETHING from them. Never. If anything, it goes further away from it with each iteration. I mean imagine if they ripped off MEIOU for EUIV – I'd be ecstatic. Or Winter King for CK3.

They actually did rip off something from Winter King in CK3: It's dynamic sound design.

 

[Fedora Master]

So there's a bug where workshops won't hire people now. Amazing.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/529340/discussions/0/3782499798640328271/

 

[Fedora Master]

I was wondering why infrastructure went to shit...
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...s-turmoil-by-ignoring-infrastructure.1574241/

 

[Delterius]

I was wondering why infrastructure went to shit...
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...s-turmoil-by-ignoring-infrastructure.1574241/

Eh what? I leave my infrastructure development almost entirely to autonomous investment after a certain point. Hell, when the game unlocks electricity I'll queue 50 of those and the AI is the one spamming railroads when applicable. This seems like an AI problem rather than an autonomous investment problem.

 

[Mortmal]

I was wondering why infrastructure went to shit...
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...s-turmoil-by-ignoring-infrastructure.1574241/

Just let it die , usually its come back in 8 years, but i bet in this case it will turn out like imperator.

 

[Fedora Master]

Even if you ignore the woke stuff, the game is incredibly tame. This is the time period of social darwinism, the suppression of the Indians, the Armenian genocide... None of this here though!

 

[Victor1234]

Even if you ignore the woke stuff, the game is incredibly tame. This is the time period of social darwinism, the suppression of the Indians, the Armenian genocide... None of this here though!

Karl Marx is in the game, guys, it's Karl Marx and it's really him with the beard and everything! You can collect him like a Pokemon no matter which country you play!! I can't wait for the Che Guevara DLC. Shut up, I know he's later so we'll call this guy Chai Guevera, his great-grandfather. Chai means tea and everyone drank tea back then, Paradox has the cleverest puns and is like so educational, unlock the pun DLC for $19.99 today! 50% discount if you buy the fart joke DLC too.

Incidentally, you could exploit the manual promotion of pops in Victoria I to Armenian genocide anyone. Simply force the unwanted POPs into the army, send their unit into a low infrastructure province and let nature take it's course....this feature was removed in Victoria II.

 

[Axioms]

So the player count is trending down fast a week out from the update. I expect it to be back on the old trajectory by the end of this week crashing below 3k.

 

[Victor1234]

Yup, 17% drop takes it under 10k again. Guess they didn't like the patch after all.

 

[whydoibother]

Yup, 17% drop takes it under 10k again. Guess they didn't like the patch after all.

inb4 investors look at this, and learn the lesson that complex games with deep systems don't sell, and we should just make more surface level war games.
After all, for the longest time the reason a new Victoria game wasn't made was "nobody would play a game like that".

 

[Axioms]

So I'd argue that at the end of the period their "average daily concurrent users" on Steamcharts will end up around +400-800 for March. Is that good? Hard to say. Devs argued that their unique daily users is around 50k or something and they claim that that is great news. Imperator was probably around 10k by that metric when they canned it.

As far as the funny colors chart you guys post I think CK3 is more interesting there. CK3 is currrently ~20% above their nadir in the steamcharts daily average concurrent users. I suspect that they'll get to around 16k right before the new "major" DLC drops and then spike back into 30k for a while. Unless the DLC ends up being a bit of a dud which is always possible. Afterall until the DLC actually releases players can hype it up in their minds without annoying reality coming in to pop the bubble.

 

[thesecret1]

inb4 investors look at this, and learn the lesson that complex games with deep systems don't sell, and we should just make more surface level war games.
After all, for the longest time the reason a new Victoria game wasn't made was "nobody would play a game like that".

But they didn't make a complex game with deep systems, so the lesson should be opposite.

 

[whydoibother]

inb4 investors look at this, and learn the lesson that complex games with deep systems don't sell, and we should just make more surface level war games.
After all, for the longest time the reason a new Victoria game wasn't made was "nobody would play a game like that".

But they didn't make a complex game with deep systems, so the lesson should be opposite.

Are you new to the bizz? This was sold to investors the same way it was sold to us, as a complex 200 IQ economics and politics simulator, a worthy successor to the older complex 200 IQ economics and politics simulator, but even more complex!

 

[thesecret1]

inb4 investors look at this, and learn the lesson that complex games with deep systems don't sell, and we should just make more surface level war games.
After all, for the longest time the reason a new Victoria game wasn't made was "nobody would play a game like that".

But they didn't make a complex game with deep systems, so the lesson should be opposite.

Are you new to the bizz? This was sold to investors the same way it was sold to us, as a complex 200 IQ economics and politics simulator, a worthy successor to the older complex 200 IQ economics and politics simulator, but even more complex!

In which case it literally doesn't matter what the investors think, as Paradox will do whatever it wants regardless.

 

[Fedora Master]

They managed to create a fairly complex economy system and then designed everything in such a way as to make the economy meaningless.

 

[Seigneur Locklear]

It's not really all that complex when you look at it either. You don't even have a real way of impacting wages or prices other than basic supply and demand.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

It's not really all that complex when you look at it either. You don't even have a real way of impacting wages or prices other than basic supply and demand.

And you don't even have concrete goods nor can you stockpile things, with commodities appearing out of thin air based on buy & sell orders. Can hardly call it a complex economic simulator with this level of abstraction.

 

[Axioms]

It's not really all that complex when you look at it either. You don't even have a real way of impacting wages or prices other than basic supply and demand.

And you don't even have concrete goods nor can you stockpile things, with commodities appearing out of thin air based on buy & sell orders. Can hardly call it a complex economic simulator with this level of abstraction.

That one gets me the most. There's not really actual resources even in an RTS-like way.

 

[thesecret1]

That one gets me the most. There's not really actual resources even in an RTS-like way.

What gets me the most is that you can't even stockpile fucking MONEY past a certain treshold. Because you run out of space in your bank vault or some ridiculous shit like that.

 

[Axioms]

That one gets me the most. There's not really actual resources even in an RTS-like way.

What gets me the most is that you can't even stockpile fucking MONEY past a certain treshold. Because you run out of space in your bank vault or some ridiculous shit like that.

I don't believe this. You made this up. You can't fool me troll! No one would make a mechanic that dumb. Not even Paradox.

 

[thesecret1]

That one gets me the most. There's not really actual resources even in an RTS-like way.

What gets me the most is that you can't even stockpile fucking MONEY past a certain treshold. Because you run out of space in your bank vault or some ridiculous shit like that.

I don't believe this. You made this up. You can't fool me troll! No one would make a mechanic that dumb. Not even Paradox.

 

[Fedora Master]

That one gets me the most. There's not really actual resources even in an RTS-like way.

What gets me the most is that you can't even stockpile fucking MONEY past a certain treshold. Because you run out of space in your bank vault or some ridiculous shit like that.

~nOt mAnA~

 

[Axioms]

That one gets me the most. There's not really actual resources even in an RTS-like way.

What gets me the most is that you can't even stockpile fucking MONEY past a certain treshold. Because you run out of space in your bank vault or some ridiculous shit like that.

I don't believe this. You made this up. You can't fool me troll! No one would make a mechanic that dumb. Not even Paradox.

Yeah I looked it up. Income starts to dimishing in effect over a certain reserve level.

 

[thesecret1]

Yeah I looked it up. Income starts to dimishing in effect over a certain reserve level.

Paradox ingenuity

 

[Axioms]

Yeah I looked it up. Income starts to dimishing in effect over a certain reserve level.

Paradox ingenuity

I can see what they were going for but in traditional Paradox fashion they half-assed/abstracted it too heavily.