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World of Darkness Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 - VTMB sequel from The Chinese Room - coming early 2025

Semiurge

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The original version of the character was a 1:1 Harley Quinn from the Batman cartoon era.

Very close to the poster.

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S.torch

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Once again we’ve got Writer Cherish Goldstraw and Narrative Director Ian Thomas describing the profiles to you as they appear at the beginning of our story.
So they have a narrative director and a narrative lead? Just how many people do they need to write a videogame's story...?
 

Roguey

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So they have a narrative director and a narrative lead? Just how many people do they need to write a videogame's story...?
For an RPG, a lot. Bloodlines 2 is leaner than most, with that one Glassdoor review from a few months ago mentioning "core-team spread even thinner than buttery thin (i,e. whole departments can literally just be one or two people. Great for ownership and agency, terrible for work-life balance)"

The original Bloodlines was written/designed by Jason Anderson, Leonard Boyarsky, Brian Mitsoda, TJ Perillo, and Chad Moore.
 

AfterVirtue

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A reminder that Homeworld 3 had a director of narrative properties with a PhD.

Good reminder... Did you perchance met our strange but interesting friend? Meet, if you didn't know him, the esteemed Arthur Schopenhauer - On University Philosophy
But we can summon the italian Papini and his "universities as privileged factories of state idiots" (https://www.lunieditrice.com/product/chiudiamo-le-scuole-giovanni-papini/)

Point being that a PhD has jack shit to do, by itself, with being good at teoretical or creative endeavours.
 

La vie sexuelle

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Multi-tentacled attack-vaginas. As if it hasn't always been clear that the lore is a vehicle for sexual deviancy of the most profound nature.

There is a lot of truth in this, but I think that these two cases I pasted were intended to be, above all, transgressive. And there is no transgression without a sense of border. It's terrible and perverse so that we can better understand where we are. Besides, the entire World of Darkness is like that. Or was.

It's funny, but when we are now ruled by perverts, their fetishes are presented as entertainment for the whole family (see the opening of the Olympics). I'll say the same about the new Vampire, where monsters are seen as carriers of shared values, and not something terrible that we would normally avoid (an extreme case - Beast: The Primordial from 2016).
 

La vie sexuelle

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And there is no transgression without a sense of border.

Like there is no eroticism without a sense of shame and a distance between public life and intimacy.

I'm from a different culture than Anglosaxon. There is nothing about sex that you can be ashamed of, you can only do something shameful with sex (just like with any other thing, e.g. food). Transgression is going beyond the rules to a) move the boundaries, b) confirm their validity.

There is also a third group, people like Georges Bataille - transgression opens your "third eye" giving you a unique view of reality.
 

AfterVirtue

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I am not "Anglosaxon". For a thing to be, it must have a form, εἶδος, to have a form it must have a limit, πέρας. It is not about sex being shameful but about it being intimate. Hans Peter Duerr wrote a very good book, confuting Norbert Elias (and he paid for it) about shame being a constant in cultures, even if the kind of specific rules varied.

And Bataille's view, who i don't like, may be only if there are norms to transgress.
 

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I am not "Anglosaxon". For a thing to be, it must have a form, εἶδος, to have a form it must have a limit, πέρας. It is not about sex being shameful but about it being intimate. Hans Peter Duerr wrote a very good book, confuting Norbert Elias (and he paid for it) about shame being a constant in cultures, even if the kind of specific rules varied.

And Bataille's view, who i don't like, may be only if there are norms to transgress.

You sound like a German. And the Anglo-Saxons are the Germans from the islands. The only difference is that those from the continent are metaphysically heavy and those from Britain often lack metaphysics.

Metaphysics is important when we talk about matters of our existence, but I believe that its, sex, absolute basis is too animalistic to have metaphysical weight in itself. In other words, at its core it's just instinct. Only by inscribing it into the whole of existence of one gives it a metaphysical weight, dependent on this very existence. Thinking this way, I would identify transgressive-extreme (to distinguish other forms of transgression here) as making a "rupture" in existence, not only of the active side, but also of the observer. I haven't read the first of the authors you mention and I don't remember the threads of the second one (I read it a long time ago and not everything), but it seems to me that a metaphysical nation like Germany should work so hard in this direction, that is, see extremes as something that constantly threatens existence. , hence emphasizing the importance of shame.
 

AfterVirtue

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You sound like a German.

Cute. But no cigar, from a latin culture.

Old Shopenhauer would say that raw instinct is a metaphysical matter, the blind Will that move the World. Julius Evola also would disagree with you https://www.edizionimediterranee.net/libri/bestsellers/product/metafisica-del-sesso-julius-evola
I beg to differ from both, even as i think one must face old Arthur, but there are many others that would recognize the metaphysical basis of sex. Like Pico della Mirandola said, in the human there is the possibility to descend lower than beast, or higher than angels. This goes also for love and sex.

Also, transgression could be a good thing if it helps avoid staleness. But it still needs a border, even if a dynamic, dialectic one.
 

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