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KickStarter Vampire Syndicate: Gangs of MoonFall

Grauken

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When they have clans and bloodlines they are a direct clone of WoD. It is a fair criticism.
Eh, I disagree. It's an RPG, so you ideally want to have some way of distinguishing character achetypes. And since it's a vampire RPG, the logical way of doing this is having different vampire types.

I really don't think including distinct clans is enough to call it a clone. However if the dev reveals the lineages and they end up being very similar to the specific clans of VTM then I will begin to agree with you. But at this point I think it's a bit much to essentially call it plagiarism - even if the influence is obvious.

He already copied the Giovanni clan since in VtM they're the mafia. There is the matter of him stating that he's making a WoD clone because Pdox isn't working on WoD. You can't get any more verification then that.

Whoa whoa whoa. Let's stop the forum larping for a second. Is that seriously the issue? I don't need people thinking I'm actually plagiarizing shit, that was a joke my dude.

I'm not stealing everything from VtMB to make a clone game. I'll have to throw up an edit.

Man, I thought it was just a funny quip. Man, codex. The hell.

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Tyranicon

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Will the portraits be zoomed out enough so that you can see your character's tits? Because if you combine that with the option to add new portraits or alter existing ones miracles can be performed.

Honestly, character visual customization is probably a discussion for later on in development. I'm notoriously bad at it, and it's something my dev partner will handle.

Frankly I don't get why it isn't just called Moonfall. It already screams werewolves or vampires or whatever creature of the night you want to talk about.

just make vampire gangs of american township the game's alternate title

MoonFall's the campaign setting, and it's mostly for branding like Forgotten Realms, etc.

Unless the moon actually fell there, then that's kinda cool.

Yes, that's exactly what happened. TLDR; a bunch of Viking pirates formed an ultra laissez faire city-state on the remnants of a fallen moon. No global apocalypse because: magic, but parts of the world did get fucked up.
 
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Codex Year of the Donut
"Vampire Gangs of MoonFall" sounds kinda cheesy. I'm not sure if I like it, or it's so cheesy that I do like it in a 1980s B-movie kind of way.
 

KeighnMcDeath

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Dark Shadows.... but perverted. I actually own the whole Coffin b/w Boxed Set, the reboot, and all the movies including Johny Depp. He's chained under the house with the rats.
 
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Dark Shadows.... but perverted. I actually own the whole Coffin b/w Boxed Set, the reboot, and all the movies including Johny Depp. He's chained under the house with the rats.
I remember my mom watching basically every episode of this. And there was a lot of them.
Something I completely forgot about until now. :M
 

curds

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Yeah, just Moonfall or Moonfall: Vampire Gangs is a better title.

Also Moonfall looks nicer than MoonFall with the capitalised F in the middle.
 

ironmask

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50++ hr non-linear RPG with lots of content - will probably be 2.5 years in total dev time when finished [Link] More in line with cRPG territory but with anime, my current project
I actually like the 2d anime look way more then the 3d models tbh.
 

KeighnMcDeath

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That hobo game that just came out had funny 2D art but the ingame models are kind of meh.
 
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Normally, I'd say this is probably one of those rare sentences that have never been uttered before, but this being the codex, I have reservations.


Also, just got a new title cover. When I started this project I really didn't mean for it to be so Howardian, but seeing as how my notes for one of the characters is "badass Cimmerian, last of his type kind of deal" I guess it really shouldn't be a surprise. I might even have an opening exposition crawl.

Is this new title better than the old one?

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I totally know where you're coming from, but Conan-style epic covers with a damsel clutching their leg/feet/trunk penis is just the height of masculinity for me. I wish modern fantasy RPGs were like this.

So the problem I ran into a long time ago is that not everybody has good taste and illiterates perfectly fine people with a less discerning eye for great titles make up a big part of any paying customer base. Vampire Gangs of MoonFall serves a few purposes. It immediately establishes that it's about vampires, and gangs, and has the location name for further branding. It's incredibly easy to remember, and easy to pass on by word of mouth.

Does it sound like trash? Yeah, probably. But any new game from an unrecognized IP and a small dev is bound to be met by scrutiny. Not the least an overly ambitious sex game that fills a niche that's long been starved for content.

I can't promise that the game won't be crap, all I can promise is genuine effort. And I won't lie about my goals, which are kind of trollish in nature. AAA (specially RPGs) have declined so much in recent years, that I want to drag the industry kicking and screaming to my game, press their faces into it and say "Look what one man can do, in a cave, with a box of scraps. And yeah, it's a fucking porn game too."

And money. Give me money please. Money me. Money me lots.
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Mauman

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Frankly I don't get why it isn't just called Moonfall. It already screams werewolves or vampires or whatever creature of the night you want to talk about.

just make vampire gangs of american township the game's alternate title

Ya know, I agree with this. "brevity is the soul of wit" and whatnot.

If you REALLY want to point out the gang part, just drop 'vampires'.

Gangs of Moonfall....yeah, that actually sounds better. Most people are smart enough to put 1 + 1 together about the vampires based on 'moonfall' and the splash screen.

Just my 2 cents.

I actually like the 2d anime look way more then the 3d models tbh.

I'm good either way, with a slight edge to 3d assuming it's good 3d.

Bad (or normal) 2d is better than bad 3d.
 

KeighnMcDeath

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Well, actually, the Depp one was funny. The original TV series is classic and not bad. The remake series in the 90s I think was good (I was heavy into Ravenloft at the time, but I was disappointed it was cut short. The two movies...... god... from meh to bad slog.
I believe House of Dark Shadows was the better of the two. Night of Dark Shadows mmmm... I need to rewatch them. But they aren't good.

I enjoy the old monster classics and you will see crossovers with Dracula, Frankenstein, and the Wolfman. I know some planned to include the Mummy and the Creature from the Lagoon but I think only Abbot & Costello really explored this including Jr Jeckyll/Mr Hyde and the Invisible Man. You wouldn't think comedy + horror would be good but these are classic.

Now the main 3 (Drac, Frankie/His creation, and the Wolfman) have their arcs and some of these mashing aren't great. In fact, I really didn't care for most of the Frankenstein line. The Doctor had a shitty name in the 1931 version (no it wasn't Victor but Henry WTF). I haven't seen the 1910 but I imagine it might be better. They were ok and parts were fantastic but other parts were meh. Some are pretty funny considering the monsters relative lack of reasoning).

Wolfman was consistent with actor (I'm talking universal with Love Cheny Jr.). And a lot of these were crossovers.


Year Film The Wolf Man actor
1941 The Wolf Man Lon Chaney Jr.
1943 Frankenstein Meets the Wolf Man
1944 The House of Frankenstein
1945 House of Dracula
1948 Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein

Frankenstein series consisted of:
Frankenstein (1931),
Bride of Frankenstein (1935),
Son of Frankenstein (1939),
Ghost of Frankenstein (1942),
Frankenstein Meets the Wolf Man (1943), House of Frankenstein (1944),
House of Dracula (1945) and
Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein (1948).
(Of these I haven't seen Bride nor Son)

Dracula Film(s)
Daughter is something I have to rewatch. I fell asleep a few times during. Son was meh. Obviously the original was pretty good and the bat (lol) wasn't as corny as Dark Shadows. Good stuff all around.

If you watched that Netflix Castlevania series it had some interesting facets on vampires. The monster creation was pretty cool.
 

Harthwain

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Moonfall: Vampires or Vampires of Moonfall would be a better title in my opinion. That way you will draw attention to your game having vampires with the title and you can put gangs somewhere in the description/screenshots.
 

Tyranicon

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Thanks for the title suggestions and helping me hone my craft. The title's not set in stone, I'll have to do some thinking about it.


Can the player character stay human throughout or is the Haemophage diet non-negotiable?

The player can choose to not accept vampirism if it's offered.
 

BruceVC

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Thanks for the title suggestions and helping me hone my craft. The title's not set in stone, I'll have to do some thinking about it.


Can the player character stay human throughout or is the Haemophage diet non-negotiable?

The player can choose to not accept vampirism if it's offered.

I have question that may sound silly but will you include Vampire seduction of humans in the narrative and or quests? I dont think Vampire games include this enough especially if you play a human. I like the idea of being seduced by that hot Egyptian vampiress and having to free myself or being conflicted but ending up having to kill my mistress\master to stay human ?
This may be a bit deep for what you envision for the overall game design ?
 

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