Fallout There May Be Hope For Fallout 5's Quality After All?...

[BrainMuncher]

Therefore, I harbor some slight hope for Fallout 5's quality regardless of Bethesda's fate after The Elder Scrolls 6. Noted that by "quality" I mean mainstream reception instead of the Codex's refined taste... Your thoughts?

Problem is the whole reason they acquired these studios is because MS doesn't know how to make games. So no matter what you think of Bethesda's efforts, if MS starts meddling they can only make it worse.

 

[Fedora Master]

I'd like to point out that people like OP are the ones bringing in new games
And you people wonder why the Codex is so lame now

 

[mindx2]

Fedora Master I agree with you that today's entertainment (games, movies, TV, etc.) are terrible but you're becoming a one note poster. Give your responses some gravitas by explaining why said entertainment is crap. Otherwise people just ignore or skip past your posts...

 

[Fedora Master]

Fedora Master I agree with you that today's entertainment (games, movies, TV, etc.) are terrible but you're becoming a one note poster. Give your responses some gravitas by explaining why said entertainment is crap.

We're talking about Bethesda Fallout here. There is nothing to explain. Certainly not to the FUCKING RPG CODEX. You either enjoy their slop or you have a brain, a dick and a heart.

 

[NecroLord]

Engine is alright, sure it has quirks but it offers modability other games can only dream of. And biggest reason their games retain huge popularity. The retarded tripe they ship with engine is the problem on the other hand.

Yeah.
All those Big Tiddy Mods.
Serious quality.

 

[Fargus]

Engine is alright, sure it has quirks but it offers modability other games can only dream of. And biggest reason their games retain huge popularity. The retarded tripe they ship with engine is the problem on the other hand.

Yeah.
All those Big Tiddy Mods.
Serious quality.

Oversimplification. You can't fix perma-coomers obsessed with waifu dress up in these games. They are universal cancer, not just for bethesda games.

But modding has much more to offer.

 

[NecroLord]

Sure.
You just have to choose your mods carefully.

 

[quixotic]

The reasoning for this is likely Pete Hines's vision of the franchise, where he pretty much viewed it as something of an FPS where players are supposed to just go and kill stuff...

Pete was a (shit) PR guy.

If they finally fire Emil, maybe even Hines and Todd

Pete left Bethesda a month after Starfield released.

 

[NecroLord]

 

[Drowed]

The problem with Bethesda's writing, which is also the same problem with the vast majority of companies (or writers) who write poorly, is an application of the Dunning–Kruger effect. In the same proportion that they are unable to write a good script, they are also unable to perceive how incompetent they are at it - which causes them not to recognize the problem in the first place.

On the contrary, incompetent people tend to overestimate their own ability. And now that we know that most major studios are going through a crisis of toxic positivity, you have a scenario where someone creates a stupid story thinking it's brilliant, and no one around dares to say otherwise. Obviously this is not the only problem, but it is perhaps the one that most directly affects this issue.

And that's why I have no expectation that Fallout 5 will be even an acceptable game. The industry has become too big to fix its problems quickly and dynamically, now that projects take almost a decade to be released, I believe that the vast majority of failures of the next 5+ years are already in a too advanced stage in the creation process (or too stuck in the structural inertia of the production flow) to escape disaster.

Eventually, things will end up correcting themselves to some extent. After all, no company can survive infinitely with failure after failure. Either they will adjust course, minimally correct the direction to something closer to what the public expects, or they will break and close. I feel that the gaming market will undergo a considerable change in the next 5-10 years, at least when we talk about these big companies. Whether for better or worse, time will tell.

 

[Fargus]

Sure.
You just have to choose your mods carefully.

You can detransition furfags in Skyrim. Modding is Godsent.

 

[Gandalf]

I'd expect a new Fallout game to come quicker, but that doesn't mean it's going to be quality one. It could be even more streamlined to appeal to broader audience.

 

[Yosharian]

Pete Hines could give away all his millions of dollars and work in a sweatshop for the rest of his days and it still wouldn't be atonement for what he's done to Bethesda / the gaming industry / Fallout

 

[NecroLord]

Pete Hines could give away all his millions of dollars and work in a sweatshop for the rest of his days and it still wouldn't be atonement for what he's done to Bethesda / the gaming industry / Fallout

Julian Lefay leaving Bethesda.

 

[Nifft Batuff]

When Fallout 5 or Elder Scroll 6 will be published, every single Bethesda employer will be retired or dead, and if retired and still alive, too senile to play them.

 

[Fedora Master]

The problem with Bethesda's writing, which is also the same problem with the vast majority of companies (or writers) who write poorly, is an application of the Dunning–Kruger effect. In the same proportion that they are unable to write a good script, they are also unable to perceive how incompetent they are at it - which causes them not to recognize the problem in the first place.

Bethesda has never understood Fallout and sadly the modern fans who were groomed via Fallout 3 don't either. Just look at The Frontier. So you can't expect them to write something good or at least appropriate and you can't count on modders to do any better.

 

[ADL]

It all depends on whether or not TESVI is Todd and Emil's final game. They're around the same age so they'll both disappear together.
Todd will be back in Microsoft's good graces when Indiana Jones comes out.

 

[Spukrian]

Their options for a studio that can make the next Fallout is super limited, it's not like there's a lot of options out there. People who want Obsidian to make another Fallout game are out of touch with reality, as if they want to make a post apocalypse version of Avowed. The most realistic option Microsoft has for another studio would be one of the COD studios, which would bring about the question as to how Microsoft can maintain the COD pipeline.

Microsoft will find a way eventually. They've been wanting a new Fallout since long before the tv show aired.

 

[NecroLord]

Fedora Master I agree with you that today's entertainment (games, movies, TV, etc.) are terrible but you're becoming a one note poster. Give your responses some gravitas by explaining why said entertainment is crap.

We're talking about Bethesda Fallout here. There is nothing to explain. Certainly not to the FUCKING RPG CODEX. You either enjoy their slop or you have a brain, a dick and a heart.

But you play BG3...

 

[jaekl]

You're telling me people sat around and watched that tacky fallout show? Enough that it made money? One look at a trailer made me sick to my stomach. That pisses me off

 

[Abu Antar]

The show did not inspire confidence in anyone making anything Fallout related any good. I'm saying this as someone who watched all of it, and thought it was a decent 6.5/10. It just doesn't capture the feel. After buying and playing Fallout 3, and also playing and beating Fallout 4 (during a free weekend), there is not much to make me optimistic.

The only studio that I would be interested to see their take on the Fallout first person formula are the KCD2 devs.

 

[NecroLord]

The only studio that I would be interested to see their take on the Fallout first person formula are the KCD2 devs.

Warhorse?
I figure they would make Fallout way too cinematic.
Hasn't been Fallout desecrated enough?

 

[Abu Antar]

The only studio that I would be interested to see their take on the Fallout first person formula are the KCD2 devs.

Warhorse?
I figure they would make Fallout way too cinematic.
Hasn't been Fallout desecrated enough?

I mean, it's so mistreated, nothing fazes me anymore.

 

[Morgoth]

Prediction: Fallout 5 and Doom 5 will be indistinguishable games.

 

[Decado]

The issue with Fallout is that the setting has overstayed its welcome, imo. Post-apocalyptic settings in general are worn out. But FO's is so "kooky" that it has become shopworn. It's all just zany hijinks and exploding eyeballs and supermutants and Dogmeat. The world was at its most interesting when it was still raw, when you were picking your way through the ruins of the old world. The games haven't felt that way in a long time. They need to drop some nukes again.