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The Valve and Steam Platform Discussion Thread

Rahdulan

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Is anyone even using the new news hub?
https://store.steampowered.com/newshub/

You need to be logged in or use it from within the client itsef because it's apparently personalized.
 
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does anyone else use the discovery queue feature?
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toro

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Has anyone found a good game in the The Steam Game Festival?

40 games are free to play for 3 days ... unfortunately most of them are unfinished.

I've tried Roki, Eldest Souls and Elden Path of the Forgotten.

Needless to say I have 3 games less on my wishlist.

Edit: I see Operencia :)
 

DalekFlay

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does anyone else use the discovery queue feature?

When I've been away from gaming for a while and haven't been paying attention it's a great way to discover under the radar stuff I missed. When I'm really into games and paying attention though, I've probably wishlisted it all already.
 

Infinitron

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Codex Year of the Donut Serpent in the Staglands Dead State Divinity: Original Sin Project: Eternity Torment: Tides of Numenera Wasteland 2 Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 A Beautifully Desolate Campaign Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder: Kingmaker Pathfinder: Wrath I'm very into cock and ball torture I helped put crap in Monomyth
Hehe: https://www.pcgamesn.com/steam-review-refunded

Steam now shows when a reviewer has refunded a game
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Steam reviews are everything at all times – great, awful, funny, and completely serious. It can be difficult to parse where any given reviewer is coming from, but Valve has just made it a bit easier. You can now see when a user who’s reviewed a game has also refunded that title, which should give you a bit more insight into whether that review is worth paying attention to.

A number of users across the internet have noted a “product refunded” tag on Steam reviews in the past week – here’s one example from somebody who didn’t like Doom Eternal’s cutscenes and scarce ammo. Steam’s return policy allows no-questions-asked refunds on pretty much any game you’ve spent less than two hours with, so the system can be easy to abuse.

Steam’s generous review policy has occasionally allowed additional users to jump into review bombing campaigns, and a clear identifier of refunded reviews would make it easier to tell when that’s happening. We asked Valve if that was part of the reasoning behind the added feature, but the company simply says “we just felt it was another valuable piece of data for customers when reading reviews.”

The Steam store has gotten another major update this week, as Steam Labs’ Interactive Recommender is now live. In theory, the update will more smartly recommend games based on machine learning algorithms, and it gives you some options to bias the recommendations toward more niche titles or popular games.

Check out some free Steam games if you’re looking for something to play this weekend – you definitely won’t need to refund them.
 

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Gaben on Epic Store - https://www.gamesradar.com/gabe-newell-epic-games-store/
"Competition in game stores is awesome for everybody. It keeps us honest, it keeps everybody else honest," Newell says, "But it's ugly in the short term. You're like, 'Argh, they're yelling, they're making us look bad' - but in the long term, everybody benefits from the discipline and the thoughtfulness it means you have to have about your business by having people come in and challenge you."

"We get a lot more freaked out not by competition, but by people trying to preclude competition," Newell continues, "If you ask us which is scarier, it's people falling in love with Apple's model of controlling everything and having faceless bureaucrats who get to keep your product from entering the market if they don't want it to, or designing a store in a way that minimises software's value-add to experience and stuff like that."
 

Silentstorm

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I would probably be playing SD Gundam G Generation Cross Rays anyways, but it's nice having an excuse!

Still, wow, just as many places are getting hurt by this virus, online stores and indoor hobbies are getting more business than ever, haven't checked but i bet Netflix is also extremely happy, just a shame this happened because of fear and quarantine rather than more people starting to play games or just wanting to play games, after this is over, you can bet that even after the extreme amounts of extroversion that will happen after everything blows over, that the numbers will come back to what they were, unless there are people just really trying games for the first time and enjoying them immensely to a point they stick with it.
 

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https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/fmfdsm/steam_breaks_another_record_with_22_million/
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...gamers-urged-avoid-playing-working-hours.html
Video game players are urged to play at 'reasonable times' to avoid putting an extra strain on internet networks during the coronavirus outbreak
  • A British video game expert asks online gamers to favour evening-time sessions
  • Gaming can slow down internet speeds and frustrate people working from home
  • Online gaming is 'the biggest threat to internet bandwidth' these next few weeks
  • PC gaming platform Steam reported record numbers of gamers online this week
  • Coronavirus symptoms: what are they and should you see a doctor?
By Jonathan Chadwick For Mailonline
Published: 19:04 GMT, 20 March 2020 | Updated: 08:23 GMT, 21 March 2020

Video game players have been urged to play at 'reasonable times' to avoid putting extra strain on internet networks during the coronavirus outbreak.

Social distancing measures to curb the spread of the virus has led to large numbers of people working from home or self-isolating, increasing daytime internet traffic.

But gamers have been asked to limit time online during working hours to ensure those in self-isolation trying to get work done aren't affected by slow speeds.

The issue could get worse in the UK as schools around the country have been forced to close due to the rapid spread of COVID-19, giving young gamers more time to kill.

UK-based video games expert Rik Henderson said people turning to games during isolation was inevitable, as a means of entertainment and social interaction, but he urged players to be aware of going online during working hours.

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Online gamers who are trying to while away the hours in self-isolation during the day from Monday to Friday could be frustrating fellow network users who are trying to get work done

'While video streaming services, such as Netflix and YouTube, are committed to reducing their digital footprint during the coronavirus crisis, gaming is perhaps the biggest threat to internet bandwidth in the next few months,' he said.

PC gaming platform Steam revealed record numbers of gamers online in recent days, recording 20 million players online at once for the first time last weekend.

Live figures from the platform also show the platform breaking the 20 million mark regularly, according to its own data, which it attributes to coronavirus.

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Online gaming platform Steam attributed a rise in online gaming numbers to people satuong at home during the coronavirus pandemic

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Online gamers using Steam went past the 20 million mark again on Friday evening, 17:00 GMT, according to its live user tracker - a milestone it said it first reached last Sunday

'Some services have seen spikes in user activity already, including FIFA online play and Steam access, and that will only continue as people turn to their gaming devices to keep entertained during self-isolation,' said Henderson, who writes for Pocket-lint.

This is understandable as people find themselves forced to withdraw from physical social interaction for 12 weeks at least, he added.

Gaming provides social contact and friendship during the coronavirus crisis 'without the risk of infection'.

'Fortnite, Call of Duty: Warzone and the like will, therefore, no doubt become even more popular as isolation continues.

'But we do all need to be aware of the impact on our country's network infrastructure and perhaps game at more reasonable times, in the evening, say, in order to avoid any impact on important services and work, as consumer internet connections are less robust than the usual business lines.'

Call of Duty: Warzone, the new free-to-play game from the popular warfare series, was released early last week and within five days had already amassed more than 15 million players.

Internet service providers have insisted they can handle already confirmed increases in daytime traffic.

Both BT and Virgin Media said on Friday that even though they are seeing an increase, traffic is still well within capacity limits.

Last week, an Italian telecoms company told analysts it had seen a 70 per cent increase in internet traffic.

Telecom Italia told analysts it believed the rise was due to a surge of online gaming as the country went into lockdown and schools closed.

In response to concerns over network capacities across Europe, Netflix, Amazon Prime Video and YouTube have all confirmed they are limiting the image quality of videos to help ease levels of internet traffic.

It means standard definition videos on all three platforms are not as detailed or as sharp as high definition videos.
 

LESS T_T

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Lock-down, social distancing, reduced disposable income. Backlog-chan, your time has finally come.

Actually wonder if Valve is seeing noticeable trends in backlog visits.
 

Dexter

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Lock-down, social distancing, reduced disposable income. Backlog-chan, your time has finally come.

Actually wonder if Valve is seeing noticeable trends in backlog visits.
Imagine if anyone released an AAA post-apocalyptic game Digitally in the next 2-3 weeks like STALKER 2 or Fallout 5 or something and could capitalize on the situation.
 

Silentstorm

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Well, Doom Eternal came out at the perfect time, that's the big AAA game basically, Earth is also not in great shape in that game.

Bethesda is likely thanking God at this moment for having released that game yesterday.
 
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Video game players are urged to play at 'reasonable times' to avoid putting an extra strain on internet networks during the coronavirus outbreak
fake news as fuck
Video games(other than downloading them) barely use any bandwidth whatsoever. You want people to stop putting extra strain on internet networks? Go have a talk with people streaming video.
 

Gerrard

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controlling everything and having faceless bureaucrats who get to keep your product from entering the market if they don't want it to
:nocountryforshitposters:
Yeah, having SJW trash you hired in a delirious bout deciding that is so much better.
 

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https://steamcommunity.com/groups/steamworks/announcements/detail/2117195691992645419
According to journalists, indie devs are struggling more and more on Steam and they're being left behind. According to Valve, nothing could be further from the truth.

Data Deep Dive: How are new releases on Steam performing?
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We are constantly examining how the growth of Steam affects new titles and what it means for developers. Usually, our own internal questions mirror those of many in the development community.

In an effort to share some of our findings, we've put together the following post on how new releases have been performing. We're hoping this information is useful to developers, and we're interested in hearing whether more data-driven reports like these would be helpful to your product planning and development. And, if yes, what other topics would be of value. Read on, and please let us know what you think here in the Steamworks discussions.

The TL;DR

Here's a summary of what we found:
  • Over the years, there's been a continuous increase in the number of games achieving success on Steam. We'll dig into this in the first section below.
  • Earnings prospects for most - but not all - games improved in 2019. We'll dig into this in the second section below.
Some Background

A bit of history and context is helpful for understanding the analysis that follows. Prior to 2012, games that released on Steam were hand-picked by employees here at Valve. We realized that we were probably getting in the way of success for a lot of innovative games, and players were demanding more diversity in the kinds of games available via Steam. So, in 2012, we officially launched Steam Greenlight to allow players to vote on the games that would be released. Initially, we were only able to accept a small number of top-voted games per month. Then, in August 2013, our launch capacity improved with the introduction of some new internal tools, and for every month thereafter we accepted batches of at least 100 games. In June 2017, we launched Steam Direct with the intention of making the process of bringing a game to Steam more streamlined, transparent, and accessible.

Opening the platform resulted in a large number of new titles releasing on Steam, reflecting a diversity of niches and players we couldn't have dreamed of. Creating robust discoverability tools and systems was, and still is, crucial to ensuring that games will be surfaced to the customers who will want to play them, and we are continually experimenting with improvements to these systems.

So, has all of this been working? For whom? Read on for details.

More new releases than ever are finding success

One of our goals is to be a platform where great games can realize success. So a natural place to start this analysis was to ask: Are more games finding success? Of course, "success" is different for each developer, so we looked at several different benchmarks of success in this analysis.

Regardless of how we defined success, though, we found that an increasing number of games were achieving it.

As a first pass, we tallied the number of games earning over USD$10,000 in the first two weeks after release each year. For reference, most recent games earning around $10,000 in the first two weeks earned between $20,000 and $60,000 over the course of 12 months following release. We looked at the first two weeks of earnings to give even weight to games released across the year, and because initial earnings are a key metric that we hear many developers using in conversation. We also decided to study "paid games" (games with an up-front price tag) and save free-to-play games for another study, since initial earnings probably aren't the right metric for the success of free-to-play games. (For more on the reasoning behind our analysis choices, plus additional charts that use alternate success metrics, see our research appendix.)

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As the graph shows, the number of games meeting this success measure has increased pretty consistently over time, with an 18% increase in 2019 compared to 2018. That increase wasn't just due to a larger number of games on the platform - the proportion of games meeting success increased by 11% in 2019.

You may also notice a jump on the graph between 2013 and 2014. That reflects the increase in the number of games we accepted to Steam beginning in August 2013. Many of these games weren't immediately ready for release, so the effect of that increase only really shows up in 2014. By 2019, more than three times as many new releases met the $10k benchmark than in 2013.

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Many recent successes would never have previously been on the platform

As mentioned above, we opened the platform because we believed that "hand curating" the titles released on Steam had led to some great titles being missed. To test this, let's suppose we had never opened the platform. The dashed line in the graph below estimates what the trend would have looked like if we hadn't increased the quantity of games accepted to the platform in mid-2013. Assuming the trend was stable, it suggests that opening the platform more than doubled the number of releases meeting the $10K benchmark each year. While we can't say for sure, we think the green portions of the bars above the dashed line are, largely, games that would never have previously found success on Steam... because they never would have been released on the platform at all.

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The $10k threshold was a fairly arbitrary starting point, and to make sure this analysis wasn't a fluke, we also tested higher and lower cutoffs and different time ranges. We found similar patterns in all cases. For example, we see more than 4 times the number of games earning over $5,000 in the first two weeks in 2019 vs 2013, and more than 3 times the number of releases earning over $250,000. You can find graphs for these and other benchmarks in our research appendix.


Most games did better in 2019 vs 2018

We were encouraged by the results above - there are more hits than ever these days, and it looks like our decision to open the platform helped that happen. But we also wanted to study how releases across the distribution – such as the median release, the 25th percentile release, and the 75th percentile release – were doing. (The 'median release' is the game that half the releases did better than and half the releases did worse than. You could also call it the '50th percentile release.')

How we studied median and percentile growth

When running these numbers, we were initially tempted to compare the median and percentile results from 2019 to all previous years. However, we noticed that the median game in 2019 was a very different kind of game than the median game in, say, 2013. And the same was true for the 25th percentile game. We realized the composition of games on Steam had changed so much between different release policies that a full historical comparison was meaningless. (See our research appendix for more on how we reached that conclusion.)

Instead, we compared 2019 to 2018, isolating the comparison to the first full year of Steam Direct. This comparison allowed us to more accurately see how the market on Steam is settling into the new policy. Additionally, we made several changes to our discoverability systems in 2019 in the hopes of better matching games to customers who would want them, and this comparison gives us some insight into whether those changes are working.

First, we looked at changes in median earnings. We found that the median game released in 2019 earned 24% more during its first two weeks of sales than the median release in 2018.

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Next, we looked at percentiles other than the median. Here, the news was more mixed. On the upside, the 75th percentile release (meaning the release earning more than 75% of new releases in each year, but less than 25% of new releases) earned 56% more in its first two weeks in 2019 vs. 2018. However, the 25th percentile release earned 17% less.

More generally, we found that releases above the 35th percentile earned more money in 2019 vs. 2018, and releases below the 35th percentile earned less.

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We want to make sure we aren't standing in the way of games' successes, so we plan to take a closer look at everything that contributed to these results.

What's next

We hope this study was helpful and gives more insight on the impacts of Steam's growth on new releases, both recently and over the years. We know there's more work to be done to help developers find success on Steam, and there's a lot more to be studied.

We’d like to get your input on what other analyses might help you better understand the landscape. Let us know your thoughts and suggestions here in the Steamworks discussions.

Note: If you're interested in a look at our methodology and some more detailed graphs, please see our research appendix.


-The Steam Team
 
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