The current state of CRPGs is a failure of the free market

[TalesfromtheCrypt]

Face it KC.

 

[Red Russian]

Dunno what's this about, but it looks to me like someone's dildo broke off in his arse whilst playing hop-scotch on it...

 

[Callaxes]

While we're on the subject, can someone tell me how to program a VCR?

 

[Red Russian]

I like pie.

 

[dagorkan]

While we're on the subject, can someone tell me how to program a VCR?

You shove it up your ass and integrate the inverse cosine of the natural logarithm of the square root of x in the limits of -∞ and y, where x is how the duration of recording and y is the starting time measured in fractions of the half-life of Caesium-137.

 

[Ladonna]

I agree.

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[Nightjed]

Re: The current state of CRPGs is a failure of the free mark

Face it KC.

Maybe you should read about Lemons market, the quality of today games is definitely impossible to determine until you actually played it for a long while, even if you have demos or "torrent test" it the game quality of the first quarter (initial impression) is usually much better than the super rushed and bugged rest of the game, and the lemons (crappy games) seem to be driving the market into a mess of shitty oblivion/mmo like games, which will eventually cause it to colapse

 

[SimpleComplexity]

Bethesda will put back the "role" in rofl.

 

[Joe Krow]

The current state of humanity is illustrated in the free market. It's not failing, we are. Pop culture is the new architecture. They will look back and laugh.

 

[Texas Red]

I like it how the many famous singers dont play any instruments nor write their own songs. Some manager thought that the bimbo looked hot, got her to American's Idol and started leaching money off of her. The last time I heard music was about expressing yourself, instead those fucktards use the image created by other people, sing songs written by others and act the way they are told by their agents and lawyers.

And I feel like shit because getting off of some medicine is the same as getting off of narcotics.

 

[Fez]

Take up drinking. It'll ease your pain.

 

[Red Russian]

Admit it, you just wanted to say "And I feel like a horny bastard because getting off of some furry porn is the same as getting off of Todd Howard porn.

You make me sick you excuse of a furried fuck.

 

[kingcomrade]

Re: The current state of CRPGs is a failure of the free mark

Face it KC.

The current state of cRPGs is that devs are making the games that most of the market is willing to pay for using the means (hype, advertising, media whoring) that are most cost effective to providing huge sales. That might suck for the small minority looking for challenging and interesting games, but the free market doesn't exist to provide everyone with everything they want. It would be like saying that you go to a tourist gift shop in Colorado and you can't find any with Chinese names, just John, Jason, Ashley, and Jessica, and thus the free market is a failure.

 

[Texas Red]

Re: The current state of CRPGs is a failure of the free mark

Face it KC.

The current state of cRPGs is that devs are making the games that most of the market is willing to pay for using the means (hype, advertising, media whoring) that are most cost effective to providing huge sales. That might suck for the small minority looking for challenging and interesting games, but the free market doesn't exist to provide everyone with everything they want. It would be like saying that you go to a tourist gift shop in Colorado and you can't find any with Chinese names, just John, Jason, Ashley, and Jessica, and thus the free market is a failure.

No. You have games in every other genre. Hardcore strategy released in every corner. Heck, how did they then allowed Sid Meyer to release Railroads recently? The only genre that is totally ignored is RPGs. Real RPGs, not that Diablo bullshit. I dont know whats the matter, maybe everyone forgat. I truly dont undersant.

 

[kingcomrade]

Yes.

You have games in every other genre.

Sorry. Factually incorrect as well as irrelevant.

 

[Hory]

What hardcore strategy? The strategy genre is as dead as the role-playing one. Adventure too.

 

[Fez]

Strategy dead? It's more popular than RPGs.

 

[spacemoose]

What hardcore strategy? The strategy genre is as dead as the role-playing one. Adventure too.

dominions 3

victoria revolutions

korsun pocket

I'd say its at least doing better.

 

[Bradylama]

I blame the 90's. The loose definition of roleplaying that apologists made to justify why FF7 is an RPG destroyed any semblance of benchmarks for the genre.

 

[bylam]

Re: The current state of CRPGs is a failure of the free mark

No. You have games in every other genre. Hardcore strategy released in every corner. Heck, how did they then allowed Sid Meyer to release Railroads recently? The only genre that is totally ignored is RPGs. Real RPGs, not that Diablo bullshit. I dont know whats the matter, maybe everyone forgat. I truly dont undersant.

You're forgetting that RPGs take up a huge portion of the marketplace...they are just not the type of RPG that you like to play. MMORPGs, Action RPGs and Zelda-style RPGs are released all the time. Most people don't share our taste in games and those people are just walking around saying "Fuck me, why are there so many RPGs all the time?"

Fact of the matter is that only a few companies ever made the style of RPG that codexers enjoy and those companies have either died or evolved into something else.
Nobody forgot about our style of RPGs, they just never cared.

Diablo was more popular than any of our favourite games.

 

[kingcomrade]

 

[Texas Red]

Re: The current state of CRPGs is a failure of the free mark

No. You have games in every other genre. Hardcore strategy released in every corner. Heck, how did they then allowed Sid Meyer to release Railroads recently? The only genre that is totally ignored is RPGs. Real RPGs, not that Diablo bullshit. I dont know whats the matter, maybe everyone forgat. I truly dont undersant.

You're forgetting that RPGs take up a huge portion of the marketplace...they are just not the type of RPG that you like to play. MMORPGs, Action RPGs and Zelda-style RPGs are released all the time. Most people don't share our taste in games and those people are just walking around saying "Fuck me, why are there so many RPGs all the time?"

Fact of the matter is that only a few companies ever made the style of RPG that codexers enjoy and those companies have either died or evolved into something else.
Nobody forgot about our style of RPGs, they just never cared.

Diablo was more popular than any of our favourite games.

How do you know that real RPGs are not wanted? Did BG and Fallout completely fail? Did the now adults forgot about the late 90s/early 00s games that introduced them to RPGs? No. At certain everybody just stopped making them. There are a large number of communities for various CRPGs out there, all remembering the days of yore. How *can* a good D&D RPG fail with the millions of fans of P&P behind it? Like it with SoA it will sell just as much or even more because the market grew. Search for BG SoA torrent and then find me some other game from the year 2000(and even newer) that has as much seeders/downloaders.

The fact is that there *is* a demand but nobody provides, hence why the "free market is a failure". There are, for some strange reason, strategy games available but not CRPGs.

It is well known that Interplay failed because it started cramming out shit. Even with IWD it got pretty mediocre reviews. Heavens know why they went with a complete hack-n-slash when the success of BG was in their faces. Retarded, just retarded.

 

[kingcomrade]

The fact is that there *is* a demand but nobody provides

The reason why has been addressed, but I'll repeat myself. The demand is too small and satisfying it too costly and too risky for anyone but indies. That's not a failure of the free market, it's good business sense. Everyone who has ever made games we like has gone out of business.

 

[Texas Red]

The fact is that there *is* a demand but nobody provides

The reason why has been addressed, but I'll repeat myself. The demand is too small and satisfying it too costly and too risky for anyone but indies. That's not a failure of the free market, it's good business sense. Everyone who has ever made games we like has gone out of business.

And Il repeat myself. Why do you think there is a small demand? Did even Bioware newer games such as KotOR(which can be considered quite hardcore) or NWN fail? Did Obsidian gow bankrupt because they made the 2 sequels? No, they actually expanded and got 2 IPs on their hand.

Even the retard crowds of Gamespot were having orgasms from KotOR just because it was so well hyped and got 9.9/10 reviews and awards. Remember that if a game gets lower than a 9 the ADD kiddies will dismiss it. For them a 9/10 is a standard.

 

[Callaxes]

What hardcore strategy? The strategy genre is as dead as the role-playing one. Adventure too.

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