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The Barbarian

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Conan, he of gigantic melancholies and gigantic mirth, hit a snag at work early Thursday, and has been swamped since.

But he learned not to promise anything a bit ago, so you cannot lynch him for breaking promises he did not make!

:smug:

As soon as he gets an opportunity to update, he will. The Barbarian sincerely believes that will be tomorrow. Bear with him, friends and allies. Your faith will be rewarded.
 

juggernaut

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The Barbarian said:
hit a snag at work early Thursday

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We could spend the occasion discussing the long-term goals of the Codexian society. If we made some hypothetical scenarios, debated them and fleshed them out thoroughly, Conan couldn't help but be subconsciously influenced and use it in his writing :smug:

Anyways, first issue would be this: How do we expand our industrial power once we've consolidated power? Currently our capacity is decimated, and it was much smaller than our neighboring aliens in the first place.

Me, I'm in favour of reintroducing AI's. Just rebrand them as "holy machines" or "inspired contraceptions" or something like that.

Banning them in the first place was fucking ridiculous, they had never given us any reason to distrust them, and the poor things didn't even resist their own destruction - as any reasonable AI programmer will tell you, they do not have human will or urges. They do not share our animal instinct to dominate, the entire reason why we feared them in the first place was that we projected that ability onto them.

The knowledge to build AI's will have to be found in the commonwealth, as we have long ago killed off all the expertise that could build such things (unless we have some kind of ordo hereticus library?)

I find significant opposition to this project among the populace to be unlikely, since much larger turns have been taken by totalitarian societies in the past. And what would be the point in a religious dictatorship if we didn't have the power to force what we wanted anyways...
 

treave

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Divinely-inspired creation scientist "creates" a method of summoning angelic spirits into thinking machines which is similar to but totally unlike the AI of yore?

A dictatorship can do what it wants but push too hard against the populace's mood and it will result in backlash. You can push harder than usual compared to a democracy, but there's still a limit. I don't see AI as a problem given a proper religious spin, though.

At any rate, industrial power wouldn't be too hard to get up if the Marianites stick to their hard work ethic. Remember that the Codexian worlds were devastated during the first civil war. The Marianites managed to rebuild and get it running, and surpass the untouched worlds of the Commonwealth.

I figure if the Hin'in will let us alone we may want to engage in a policy of isolationism for a while. We will need to consolidate our new holdings after all. Plus maybe expand away from the aliens as much as we can. Probably introduce a policy encouraging Marianites to breed like rabbits. Every new soul is a saved soul for Maria.
 

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Personally I want to see us implement a Goods and Services Tax and legalise gay marriage. :smug:
 

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herostratus said:
Me, I'm in favour of reintroducing AI's. Just rebrand them as "holy machines" or "inspired contraceptions" or something like that.

I was pissed when we junked the AIs. Assuming our religion is as corrupt as any other, we can assume the heads of church/state have continued to use AIs for their own convenience. It wouldn't be too hard to reintroduce them with some phooey about spontaneous AI development turning the tide in recent military engagements. Why maintain a malleable populace if we aren't got to bend them a bit?

But no matter what you build, the lultards will eventually win a vote and tear it down just to see what the barbarian will come up with.
 

BethesdaLove

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When we got sentient AI, I thought we won the game. Singularity, scientific explosion, Transcendence and all that...
 

Nickless

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Reintroduce AI and technology as part of a new spiritual revelation. Bring in a Jesus to drastically change elements of the religion.
 

The Barbarian

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Pacification

They called it the ‘Fourth Great Terror’, thereafter. In hindsight, perhaps it was inevitable. A hundred thousand dead demanded retribution. Though, who is to tell what the greater sin of the Commos was; their murderous rampage, or their ignominious defeat? Whatever the case, the triumphant march of the Respublican fleets across Commonwealth space was part theatre, part funeral procession. The Commonwealth had to be humbled before the real ‘work’ began. And there was certainly grim work to be done. Within three months of the capitulation, the bulk of available Space assets were deployed in what was formerly the Commonwealth’s domain. A few small-scale battles broke out, as stubbornly recalcitrant local commanders acted out against what they perceived to be treachery on the part of the Commo’s senior leadership. These clashes tended to be short, brutal and one-sided. The victorious Respublica was in no mood to apply a delicate touch, at that point. The gloves were well and truly coming off.

It did not take long to break the back of the remaining ‘resistance’. When the dust finally settled, the inquisitors began their holy labour. It all began innocuously enough. First up was the war crimes tribunal. Thirty generals, legislators and members of the executive were tried, sentenced and executed with alarming speed. Nonetheless, the day-to-day business of administration remained in local hands, with Respublican military and religious governors providing strategic directives and overseeing regional government. It was six months into the occupation that the so-called ‘Leonidian Purge’ would rattle the Commos to their very core. In early 358AU, the Integration Governor of Leonid, Maxim Cassano, instituted the Department of Public Security and Internal Affairs (DPSIA) on the former Commo capital world. Ostensibly, it was an effort to speed up the integration of the Commonwealth back into the Respublican fold.

Sadly, its real purpose was revealed soon enough. The churches, shrines and temples that sprang up almost overnight across virtually every Commo world (but especially so on Leonid itself) provoked protest and resentment from ambivalent and hostile locals. This, however, was very quickly proven to be the least of their worries. Maxim Cassano was a prodigious talent, and a man noted for his energy and drive. Tasked with destroying the very idea of the Commonwealth – wiping it away forever from the public consciousness – he poured every iota of his considerable ability into completing the bloody assignment. The Commo elite were to be the first, though not the last, victims of the resulting Terror. Leading intellectuals, successful capitalists and industrialists, community leaders, heretics and the former officer corps were ‘liquidated’ in vast numbers between 358AU and 360AU. The DPSIA was efficient, ruthless and beyond any institutional or legal restraint. Conservative estimates place the numbers of individuals they ‘processed’ at over 185,000. Of those, more than half were deemed ‘irredeemable’. Fear gripped every tier of Commo society as the purges continued to ravage the traditional fabric thereof.

The next step in the process of integrating the heretics was re-education. That step would likely take decades to bear fruit, but the Respublica was patient and supremely confident of a final victory in the war against an old idea. In the meantime, the wider Hin’in War continued to rage without pause. Raumeni space, so long occupied by the psychic aliens, was by now an almost wholly devastated battleground. Four worlds had already been ‘burned’ by the Hin’in as punishment for Raumeni stubbornness and ongoing resistance. Millions upon millions of the insectoids were dead. The effect of those losses would reverberate for generations to come. In response, the Raumeni expanded the scope of their operations. Uncertain reports made mention of ‘suicide swarms’. Dozens of small, easy to manufacture vessels would enter a Hin’in system and thereupon make for the nearest inhabited settlement. Reaching relativistic speeds, they would then crash into the most populated areas, doing incredible damage and inflicting vast loss of life. The success of this tactic and its actual usage remains ambiguous, with reliable intelligence reports being few and far between. This was truly a war being fought on a foreign shore.

However, it was apparent that the Hin’in simply could not spare the resources they required to crush the insectoids outright, caught up as they were in fighting the Bron. Major battles were being fought in the depths of Hin’in space, with nary a whimper reaching Respublican ears. Information was at an absolute premium, despite the relative excellence of the human intelligence agencies. Simply put, gauging the state of the conflict, on the whole, was proving extraordinarily difficult. Nonetheless, the Respublicans had to make some very important decisions about their participation in the war.

Do you... wash your hands of this war? We have plenty to worry about at home. Let us recuperate and consolidate. Who cares what happens to the bugs and other assorted aliens? We could be THE pre-eminent power in this stellar region, if these endless, costly wars could finally be set aside.

OR

Do you... stay out of the fighting, but support the anti-Hin’in coalition? Money, supply and materiel can go a long way. We can at least help the Raumen overcome some of their basic resource deficiencies. Even if it doesn’t decisively impact the conflict, it will drag it out, and the xeno scum can bleed each other dry.

OR

Do you... organize your forces and intervene in the short term? We have built up our shielded fleets over the last few years. We have trained our officers and men to a higher standard. The Respublica is ready for this fight. We can break the Hin’in!

OR

Do you... organize your forces and intervene in the medium term? We need to be fully prepared for this fight. Instead of jumping into the thick of things, let us intervene after the Hin’in do a little more bleeding. Every month they fight is another month’s worth of destroyed ships we don’t have to face. We must be smarter than we were in the past.

Please Note:

The Barbarian did not want this update to stretch on into forever, so he did not include this relevant tidbit to the extent that he wanted to: yes, the Codexian economy is tottering, and, yes, propping up the war machine has taxed it heavily, and, yes, the home world is still scarred from the war. No, not every ship in the fleet is shielded yet, but the percentage is much higher than at any time previously.
 

Radech

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considering the map, there ought to be plenty of space currently not fought for, what is north east(or whatever, space northeast is called) of our current position, I mean we have settled smack down on top of the crystals, but i guess that might stretch for awhile further, otherwise we could get back into the dead zone, this war is getting old and noone has any sympathies for any of the alien races, so i see no reason to intervene beyond supplies.

It's an A for now
 

DarkUnderlord

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Fuck da bugs. Whatever happens, we'll be fighting them anyway. Though Xeno scum bleeding each other dry sounds good.

Hmmm...
 

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DarkUnderlord said:
Xeno scum bleeding each other dry sounds good.

Ayup. I get the feeling that the Hin'in will win this war if they're left to their own devices, yet we don't want to get directly involved (Too much of a strain on our already weakened civilisation). Offering financial/material support is a nice balance, we can drag the alien war out while we wait, rest and recover.

Edit: Changing vote to D, although would support C if it had more votes, as our military force is already pretty much prepared. We didn't loose ships in the war with the Commonwealth, we lost infrastructure

Barbarian, you asked before what moment would be a good retrospective of roads not taken; should you have the time, I'd like to see what would have happened if we went down the merciful path with the defeated Commonwealth.

[conspiracy]Also guys, having looked at some of the Barbarian's past posts, and compared the moments where he posted two outcomes, I've noticed that there's a time discrepancy, where some decisions take longer to succeed than others. I'm starting to think that maybe the AU date is important, the more advanced we are as a civilisation before we reach some set future point in time, the greater our chance of survival perhaps? (Check out The Future is Here Attempt 1 and 2 to see that he changes the dates of successful expansion). ITZ coming, our success in withstanding it will all depend on how much we've progressed [/conspiracy]
 

treave

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With the Hin'in caught up in battling the Bron and unable to fully pacify the Raumen, they're already bleeding each other out enough. Who knows, material support from Codexia may actually tilt the balance against the Hin'in at this point. Financing aliens also leaves a distasteful feeling.

The Barbarian paints a dire picture and I am in no mood to push the Respublican economy to its breaking point. Let us turn inwards and ensure our people are fully united behind the ideals of Marianism.

A. Recuperate and consolidate.
 

The Barbarian

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I've noticed that there's a time discrepancy, where some decisions take longer to succeed than others.

An interesting hypothesis!

I'd like to see what would have happened if we went down the merciful path with the defeated Commonwealth.

The very previous choice? So be it. Though, we will not indulge too much in these. What-ifs take all the mystery out of the proceedings.

Below are some notes the Barbarian had on the road not taken. Hopefully, they illuminate the alternative sufficiently:

- internal fissures; long war, much frustration over leniency toward hated foe, military discontent, possible civil conflict (internal pressures boiling over; factional struggle) -->

civil conflict choice:
-> suppress (escalate conflict)
-> ameliorate (reform)

long term:
-> moving toward governmental reform, but at heavy cost

- Commo retains independent spirit, remains possible fracture point in future; stresses to state stability will possibly lead to renewed independence movement

It is not much, in truth, but it gives the right idea.
 

Nickless

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Hahaha. Good thing we didn't go with B then (Albeit, governmental reform on technology and AI would be nice) We've certainly become a very grim-dark empire.
 

treave

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Just a question; what was the population of the Commonwealth? I was expecting millions to be purged, to be honest. The Respublicans seem to have been very restrained to restrict the number to anything less than half a million.

For that matter, what is our current population?

And please don't let it be that washing our hands screws us over by having a three-alien alliance come knocking at our door in 'fear of our shielding capabilities', or any other new tech we come up with in the interim. :/
 

The Barbarian

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Just a question; what was the population of the Commonwealth? I was expecting millions to be purged, to be honest. The Respublicans seem to have been very restrained to restrict the number to anything less than half a million.

The Commonwealth, at its height, included around a dozen planets. None of which was particularly developed, except for Leonid. Total population in the hundreds of millions range.

The total population of the reforged Respublica is around ten or eleven billion, much of which remains concentrated on the home planet. There is a definite baby boom taking place, but various disruptions over the last century have significantly slowed growth.
 

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