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The Codexian Saga LP

treave

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This leak was a temptation by the forces of Evil(TM). They dangled forbidden fruit in front of the Commonwealth's eyes in order to entice them into betrayal. The Commonwealth were tempted. Horribly so, that they would choose to attack fellow humans.

This only proves our own strong moral fiber in comparison to those decadent scum. They have no honour. Why, we could probably 'trust' a xenos to do what is right (sometimes) far more than those who claim to fly their own flag of multicultural humanity.

In terms of actual strategy, Councillor laclongquan's explanation of the situation is well-made, though I must disagree with his apparent concern for the Commonwealth nation. They are not worthy successors to the old Codexian Republic. They embody all of the vices of the old Republic; its decadence, its depravity, its irreligious slant, and none of its virtues; grit, honour and a belief in the superiority of Codexianity. As we have seen by their recent actions, to allow the Commonwealth - or a power akin to theirs in mindset - to become the sole representative of Codexianity in the region would be tantamount to more failure.

At any rate, I would just like to offer the possibility that the greedy, weak-minded Commonwealth traitors will be looking to obtain our shield technology. As of such, we can expect any scientific and military research installations to be a primary target.

Possibly, by letting it 'leak' again that a certain planet houses the main research facility - be it true or not - for the shield development, and that the shielded fleet will be massing there to protect the technology, this may provide further temptation to those treasonous back-stabbers to swoop in thinking they can smash our forces, salvage shield tech from the already-equipped ships, and finally get their grubby little hands on what Marianite ingenuity has created.

When the enemy moves according to our predictions, then we will already have victory.

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Nickless said:
Do systems have their own non-mobile defenses? Like, orbital defense platforms, fighter bay squadrons, ground to space artillery or missile silos? Wouldn't they be able to defend against several ships trying to take over the sector? If that's the case, I'll change my vote to B
This is a good point, plz answer
 

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System defense, even if in the form of mobile bases (put on artificial platform or asteroids, dont matter), or worse, in the form of planetary defense grid, are fixed defense. A mobile attacker can get around them very effectively with a long long range kinetic weapons, ie, shoot big ass missile from far out, accelerate to portion of C, then go emcon and the defense will scramble to deal with them. Planetary bombardment is childplay in these days and ages. One week to one month and a squadron can trash the whole system.

interplanetary fighters? Not enough to worth talking about. If they are big enough, they also are big enough to get a star drive and join the fleet. So the defensive fighter is dinky little ones. And put more investment into them is a losing proposition: stardrive-equipped vessels always more cost-effective than the same cost of insystem fighters. Their role is strictly pirate deterring and traffic cops.

Edity edit: Think about it. If a state got enough funding, would they choose to upgrade more and more coast guard little stations or would they choose to create a big ass military base/port?
 

The Barbarian

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Do systems have their own non-mobile defenses? Like, orbital defense platforms, fighter bay squadrons, ground to space artillery or missile silos? Wouldn't they be able to defend against several ships trying to take over the sector? If that's the case, I'll change my vote to B

Your planets have yet to come under direct attack. So far, the Commos are happy enough to lay waste to your merchant shipping and infrastructure. Now, yes, some planets do have orbiting and fixed planetary defense installations. For our purposes, you may assume that the home planet could put up a reasonable fight, in its own right.

However, please bear in mind that Codexia has had a devastating civil war, and has since then been busy rebuilding a shattered military, economy and society. Orbital fortresses were not high on the procurement agenda. They are hideously costly to build, maintain and crew. Furthermore, your successive navies have always preferred mobile assets.

In summation, do not rely on factors that have not been mentioned in the updates too much.

Wouldn't they be able to defend against several ships trying to take over the sector?

Hypothetically speaking, sure, the presence thereof would be problematic for a couple of ships attempting to 'conquer' a system. At this stage, though, even the language of 'conquest' or 'take over' is presuming that this is the Commo intention. At the moment, all you know is that they are attacking your space across a broad front, and have already defeated some of your defending forces. No planet has yet fallen to them, however.
 

Azira

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This post (above) alone should be enough reason for people to vote A. It's not too late yet. They're attacking us on a broad front, not confronting us where we're strongest. Why would anyone assume they'd take the bait if we tried to lure them into attacking our strongest concentration of crafts?

No, vote A for the smart choice. Draw out, delay. Let them chase shadows, and let us pull back from the Raumeni border, so we can decisively defeat the commonwealth.
 

laclongquan

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Why the hell would they want to chasethose little squadrons? Their targets this time is not simple smashes and grabs, or attrit our military strength, or destroy our economic base. No this time is purely conquest. They must conquer us outright or we would have done the same thing to them some years later, soon.

And conquest mean holding to the real estates: all the coreworld systems of Codexia.
 

Radech

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Azira said:
This post (above) alone should be enough reason for people to vote A. It's not too late yet. They're attacking us on a broad front, not confronting us where we're strongest. Why would anyone assume they'd take the bait if we tried to lure them into attacking our strongest concentration of crafts?

No, vote A for the smart choice. Draw out, delay. Let them chase shadows, and let us pull back from the Raumeni border, so we can decisively defeat the commonwealth.

That would certainly be the case in old codexia, where information moved freely and we would be under pressure from private corporations to secure shipping. But as many of us have already stated we think that such losses, including the occasional orbital bombardment, are acceptable and might even be beneficial on the propaganda front. This is not about ensuring we take minimal damage, it's about making sure the commo take maximal
 

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Brothers, hear me! Before us lie two paths. The first has us dispersing our fleet, weakening our hand to deliver the enemy a soft blow.

But why should we chase their shadows?

To my mind it is the clear intent of the Commonwealth to have us chase them about the galaxy, distracting us with pathetic skirmishes while they perhaps build in other areas or plan a greater attack. They know they cannot take us in force. Instead, they are attempting to lure our ships out one-by-one where they will be dispatched.

Sun Tzu was wise but recognise in the Commonwealth the tactics of the Mongols. They attempt to lure us out, perhaps feign retreat, luring our forces into a false victory at which point our ships are caught by surprise and crushed.

We cannot afford to risk the loss of our numbers before the strength of our full fleet returns.

Many councillers tonight have spoken wisdom. These acts of the Commonwealth against our worlds - after we have offered a hand in friendship and the wreath of peace - will only serve to embolden our people. Never again will we trust the lies of our alleged brothers and allies. Make no mistake, the true nature of the Commonwealth has been revealed and they will pay for it with their lives.

Let us ignore the petty attempts at distraction by the Commonwealth and organise our available ships into one unstoppable fleet. We must gather the forces of Respublica, including our new shield-protected vessels, and instead stand against the Commonwealth and deliver upon our foe a single mighty blow that will crush them once and for all!

Option B

We have fought and re-claimed our worlds before. Should some outer worlds fall to them, it will be a loss, but it will show the true nature of our enemy. When the full might of our fleet returns, we will have the strength and will of the people behind us as we crush the Commonwealth once and for all.
 

wjw

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Option B. Prepare the ship and shields.

It's time we put those shields to the test.
 

obediah

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[strong]A[/strong]

We have to crush the commo and leave ourselves strong in case the hin'in try to exploit the situation.
 

Nickless

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A is in favour of infrastructure over ships
B is in favour of ships over infrastructure.

The question we need to ask ourselves, is, once the Commonwealth reach our outer worlds, will they try to crush, or exterminate? They are desperate.
 

treave

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... man, we really shoulda taken that Amoneth choice sometime back. Nothing beats rabid belligerence against a mysterious, peaceful race of enigmatic crystalline aliens.

The lulz, the lulz.
 

Murk

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Question: Is anyone free to join in that has an understanding of the current situation or are votes allowed only by those present from the beginning of the phase or timeline of the governing body?

That is, can I join or must I wait for the next "game"?
 

The Barbarian

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Absolutely, brother Mikayel. Feel free to not only vote, but to throw your opinion into the mix, too.

No news on the update. But that's good news.

:smug:

Voting closes in six hours.
 

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