Putting the 'role' back in role-playing games since 2002.
Donate to Codex
Good Old Games
  • Welcome to rpgcodex.net, a site dedicated to discussing computer based role-playing games in a free and open fashion. We're less strict than other forums, but please refer to the rules.

    "This message is awaiting moderator approval": All new users must pass through our moderation queue before they will be able to post normally. Until your account has "passed" your posts will only be visible to yourself (and moderators) until they are approved. Give us a week to get around to approving / deleting / ignoring your mundane opinion on crap before hassling us about it. Once you have passed the moderation period (think of it as a test), you will be able to post normally, just like all the other retards.

Suspicious Codex establishment behavior

Should Codex Editors post a news article about Drova: Forsaken Kin?

  • Yes, it is an outrage that such a high quality game is ignored by these pseudo RPG aficionados!

  • No, I spit on Drova's Foreskin, because I can only play turn based games!

  • Crispy should be tarred and feathered for this atrocity!

  • Yes, it IS an outrage, AND Crispy should be tarred and feathered as well!

  • Bulgaria was never a world power!

  • Actually, I can't stand pixel art games, even RPGs, no matter how good they might be (kc)


Results are only viewable after voting.

Konjad

Patron
Joined
Nov 3, 2007
Messages
5,433
Location
Strap Yourselves In Codex Year of the Donut Codex+ Now Streaming! Torment: Tides of Numenera Wasteland 2 Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag.
do you believe people stamp themselves with an AfD or Linke or Grüne marker on their foreheads, or do you somehow identify them by clothing
Nope. But you can always talk to people and if you get the feeling it doesn't fit, well, it doesn't.
You sound insufferable.

I worked with a lot of people who were crazy, and I'm sure there were people who found me crazy, but I have never seen anyone in my professional life who'd decline an offer of or avoid work with someone because of worldviews or political opinions.

I only met few of such people in my university though, they seemed to me like adult childred.
 

toro

Arcane
Vatnik
Joined
Apr 14, 2009
Messages
14,798
do you believe people stamp themselves with an AfD or Linke or Grüne marker on their foreheads, or do you somehow identify them by clothing
Nope. But you can always talk to people and if you get the feeling it doesn't fit, well, it doesn't.
You sound insufferable.

I worked with a lot of people who were crazy, and I'm sure there were people who found me crazy, but I have never seen anyone in my professional life who'd decline an offer of or avoid work with someone because of worldviews or political opinions.

I only met few of such people in my university though, they seemed to me like adult childred.
Germany is filled with them and you have to deal with them in every domain or aspect of life.

I don't know what is the cause for this retardation. I guess every pampered idiot born and raised in Germany thinks that it's normal to behave like a spoiled brat because there are no real consequences in the tolerant german society. However you cannot act like this when you represent a company.

D13_Michael I recommend to discuss your stupid twitter posts with your bosses because you fucked up and you damaged the reputation of your company.
 

Maxie

Wholesome Chungus
Patron
Glory to Ukraine
Joined
Nov 13, 2021
Messages
8,116
Location
Warszawa, PL

Kev Inkline

(devious)
Patron
Joined
Nov 17, 2015
Messages
5,479
A Beautifully Desolate Campaign Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder: Kingmaker Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag.
I don't see a reason not to buy or play someone's game because he has opposing opinions (as long as the game isn't an activism, i.e. Veilguard). If one keeps personal opinions separate from his art then do we judge the art by what it doesn't contain? I don't agree with many Dostoyevski's or Nitzche's opinions, but I definitely appreciate their work. If I only accepted creations of artists agreeing with me, then I'd have nothing to enjoy.
I like Chinatown. Personally not a big fan of its director's personal preferences in other venues of life, unlike people with animu avatars here.
 

Alienman

Retro-Fascist
Patron
Joined
Sep 10, 2014
Messages
18,218
Location
Mars
Codex 2016 - The Age of Grimoire Make the Codex Great Again! Grab the Codex by the pussy Codex Year of the Donut Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag.
I don't see a reason not to buy or play someone's game because he has opposing opinions (as long as the game isn't an activism, i.e. Veilguard). If one keeps personal opinions separate from his art then do we judge the art by what it doesn't contain? I don't agree with many Dostoyevski's or Nitzche's opinions, but I definitely appreciate their work. If I only accepted creations of artists agreeing with me, then I'd have nothing to enjoy.
A good mentality to have, maybe 5-10 years ago. Now it's pure taint. If someone openly says he hates you because of who you are, why give him or her money to reward that behavior?
 
Vatnik Wumao
Joined
Oct 2, 2018
Messages
19,487
I don't see a reason not to buy or play someone's game because he has opposing opinions (as long as the game isn't an activism, i.e. Veilguard). If one keeps personal opinions separate from his art then do we judge the art by what it doesn't contain? I don't agree with many Dostoyevski's or Nitzche's opinions, but I definitely appreciate their work. If I only accepted creations of artists agreeing with me, then I'd have nothing to enjoy.
A good mentality to have, maybe 5-10 years ago. Now it's pure taint. If someone openly says he hates you because of who you are, why give him or her money to reward that behavior?
Because you're buying a product, not doing charity work. And ethical consumption is a meme for hipsters to feel good about themselves through performative activism.

This sort of economic boycott doesn't do jackshit for the big companies that actually impact culture and society. It's only effective when done to small businesses where you end up possibly hurting the personal economic wellbeing of those involved and nothing more. And while some might find that satisfying in a petty sort of way, it only serves to normalize cancel culture bullshit that can also be weaponized against you. These would be my two Pridnestrovian kopecks on the matter anyway.
 

Alienman

Retro-Fascist
Patron
Joined
Sep 10, 2014
Messages
18,218
Location
Mars
Codex 2016 - The Age of Grimoire Make the Codex Great Again! Grab the Codex by the pussy Codex Year of the Donut Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag.
You might not care, but I do. Hence, the taint that will sour the experience. So:

It's only effective when done to small businesses where you end up possibly hurting the personal economic wellbeing of those involved and nothing more. And while some might find that satisfying in a petty sort of way, it only serves to normalize cancel culture bullshit that can also be weaponized against you.
incline.png


I didn't start this shit, but they kept pushing and pushing. I hope all these overly woke anti-white companies go under, and the more that gets destroyed because of Chuds not buying their shit product, the better.
 
Vatnik Wumao
Joined
Oct 2, 2018
Messages
19,487
I didn't start this shit, but [...] not buying their shit product
If it's a shit product, sure. But otherwise that's just a race to the bottom, fam.

That being said, it's perfectly valid for something that you would've otherwise enjoyed to no longer be appealing to you due to such associations. Just be aware of what you're doing and don't fool yourself into thinking that it's anything more than a personal consumer choice.
 

toro

Arcane
Vatnik
Joined
Apr 14, 2009
Messages
14,798
Just be aware of what you're doing and don't fool yourself into thinking that it's anything more than a personal consumer choice.
Sure, and that's the whole point. It's an active personal consumer choice not to buy games from people that hate me.
I'm anti-woke but now we behave exactly like the snowflakes we pretend to hate.

Basically just play the game. The fetch quests are more annoying than everything else. As it should be.
 

ds

Cipher
Patron
Joined
Jul 17, 2013
Messages
2,544
Location
here

Mortmal

Arcane
Joined
Jun 15, 2009
Messages
9,498
D13_Michael

No need to publish any games about how being white is bad, i'm assuming you attend and learn from every gangbang your girlfriends have had with shitskins?

In your chair cucky boy
See that's the point: there isn't a single game preaching that being white is bad. Point proven. (Although I admit it'd be a funny Situation if I ever got a serious pitch trying to do that as I usually try to stand by my word)

And regarding my political stand, well I never made a secret about being a leftist scumbag. And oh yeah, I am loud about it, as much as rightwinged scumbags are. Got an issue with that, block me or fuck off. Don't care.

But what I'm proud of: I let devs cook. And I don't take influence (also no political) influence on their products. Sure, how Roguey would say: I'd never publish a game by AfD chuds. Where he's wrong however: if these morons would be able to fill out the documents correctly they could als apply for state funding.
Of course, they don't explicitly say it—it would expose them to lawsuits—but they strongly imply it. Just look at the latest trailers for Veilguard: the hero was never a white male, which contributed to BioWare's demise with no DLC and catastrophic sales. In Starfield, all the villains were white males over 40. Recently, I played an EA Jedi game where even Darth Vader was made to submit to a bulgy-eyed Black woman. Look at Disney, once one of the most beloved companies, now ranked among the top ten most hated. It’s the same across all forms of entertainment. I’m certain this has played a role in Trump’s victory in the United States because people are fed up with this ideology. But go ahead fellow leftist, keep it up—these positions completely undermine any chance of a unifying movement on the left.
 

Alienman

Retro-Fascist
Patron
Joined
Sep 10, 2014
Messages
18,218
Location
Mars
Codex 2016 - The Age of Grimoire Make the Codex Great Again! Grab the Codex by the pussy Codex Year of the Donut Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag.
I'm anti-woke but now we behave exactly like the snowflakes we pretend to hate.
I don't see how it's the same. I don't call for boycotts, call family members of the devs and threaten them, etc. I just made a choice not to support bad actors. And, at a minimum, if you are on the left (like most devs), keep it professional, don't go on Twitter and call for white genocide or whatever. That's an easy way to get a sale, and to avoid the “taint”, at least from me.
 

toro

Arcane
Vatnik
Joined
Apr 14, 2009
Messages
14,798
I'm anti-woke but now we behave exactly like the snowflakes we pretend to hate.
I don't see how it's the same. I don't call for boycotts, call family members of the devs and threaten them, etc. I just made a choice not to support bad actors. And, at a minimum, if you are on the left (like most devs), keep it professional, don't go on Twitter and call for white genocide or whatever. That's an easy way to get a sale, and to avoid the “taint”, at least from me.
You are voting with your wallet. I respect that ... but you are talking out of your ass.

The unhinged leftard is working for the publisher. It's not a dev. The devs were professional until now. They had to implement some DEI bullshit in order to get funds from the government.

Anyway, I don't want to waste our time. 96% positive rating from 2554 reviews.

 

babayaga

Educated
Joined
Aug 8, 2024
Messages
185
Location
Innawoods
This is not the first time I saw a slav be raised in Germany and be white people hater.
How does it even make sense with the hundreds of years of Ottomans raping, killing and pillaging their lands and enslaving their people? Did their brain get sucked out during studying in a German school?
 

toro

Arcane
Vatnik
Joined
Apr 14, 2009
Messages
14,798
This is not the first time I saw a slav be raised in Germany and be white people hater.
How does it even make sense with the hundreds of years of Ottomans raping, killing and pillaging their lands and enslaving their people? Did their brain get sucked out during studying in a German school?
The leftard works for the publisher. No dev posted here and I doubt they will post after so much ((butthurt)).
 

toro

Arcane
Vatnik
Joined
Apr 14, 2009
Messages
14,798
https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197972571746/recommended/1585180/

2D Gothic

For many in Germany this should already be enough to convince them to buy this. For the uninitiated, here are some things that I absolutely love about the game, which basically no modern game has gotten right since Gothic:

Much like in Gothic you are a newcomer to a somewhat contained setting where a rough society with different factions has developed. You are not the chosen hero but an absolute nobody and need to impress people to make any progress. Many people will take advantage of you, trick you, extort you or just generally be mean to you. It's a tough place to be and you'll have to work your way up in it.

The world feels immersive and believable because NPCs act like actual human beings. They follow realistic schedules with different activities during the day and the night. They get pissed if you intrude in their living spaces or draw a weapon in front of them. They react to things you have done with different dialog, sometimes even if it didn't involve them and they just heard about it. Even animals act realistically. Instead of just attacking you on sight, they make threatening noises trying to scare you off. You can even pet friendly animals and they have different personalities so you might have to go about it a little differently with some.

Quest design is great because you never just go from from NPC to NPC. The tasks make sense in the context of the world and you can almost always solve them in a variety of ways. Someone may ask you to screw someone else over. You can do it, you can refuse, you can tell the other person about it, you might be able to find a completely different solution because you talked to the right person or found something with the right information. Some task may land you in hot water with someone else. You can fight them, you can talk them out of beating you up, bribe them and you can even just take the L and get beaten up. Yes, getting beaten up by someone you owe money for example to is not Game Over. You don't just die and have to load your save. You just get knocked down, they take the money you owe (and some extra for their trouble of course) and leave you to recover. Because that just makes sense. It's a rough society not a primitive one. A brawl due to a disagreement is one thing, but murder is a different story. All of these cool quest choices are tracked in a journal where the character writes down what happened. There are no quest markers telling you where to go, you'll need to ask NPCs for directions and check your journal. The map is not some mini map HUD overlay but an actual in-game item of a painted map which you need to acquire.

The progression feels so rewarding and makes so much sense. As I said above you start out weak and slowly work your way up. You don't just level up and get stronger. You have to find people who can teach you certain skills. Some of them may be friendly and just teach you, some may only do it after you complete some task for them, some may ask for money, and some may only teach you if you are a member of their faction. Just like in Gothic, armor in particular is hard to come by. Whereas you can just buy weapons from merchants, armor is usually given out for major milestones like becoming a member of some faction and finally getting it feels like a great reward.

There is a lot more to be said about all the things this game gets right, like the atmosphere with people sitting around campfires, environmental sounds, and music all being very reminiscent of Gothic. Enemies don't just respawn outside of major story progression respawns in new chapters (or so I've heard as I'm still in chapter 1) just like in Gothic which is great for balancing character progression. Even the overlay and sound effect when progressing to a new chapter are very similar.

I may have mentioned Gothic a few too many times in this review. You may be wondering if Drova is just completely derivative of Gothic. To some extent it is as I described above, but that's a good thing. Lies of P is very derivative of Fromsoft games (in particular Bloodborne and Sekiro). Some people may think too much so, but that's why it's so good in my opinion. No other soulslike comes even close. Why change the formula so much that you lose the essence of what made you copy it in the first place? The same applies here, Drova copies the right things and adds enough new elements to be its own thing. You may also be wondering if Gothic is so good whether you should really be playing that? Well yes, you absolutely should, it's amazing. But it's also a somewhat janky 3D game from 2001 made by a now sadly defunct studio. So while you're here reading this, why not play this modern game first and support a young studio?
 

As an Amazon Associate, rpgcodex.net earns from qualifying purchases.
Back
Top Bottom