Stellaris - Paradox new sci-fi grand strategy game

[Axioms]

No the opposite, just don't try to add stupid hand-crafted events in a procgen game.

Overall procgen worlds suck. Procedural generation can be a useful tool to speed up work or add minor variation to an overall handcrafted world (think Diablo 2 - procedural generation adds level variation but the overall Acts and general areas where dungeons are located are fixed) but having the world be entirely procedurally generated yields a world that is soulless and which feels artificial, because it is. That is the reason why 4X games are nowhere near as good as grand strategy games, and it is why making Stellaris a 4X instead of a GS was a mistake.

But the reason the handcrafted world works and is popular is because it is based on history. There's a reason they never make a game about a boring or poorly documented part of history. Plus you can blame history for bad stuff. Stellaris is a sci fi game. There's virtually no sci fi grand strategy games comparable to Paradox historical games.

 

[Space Satan]

Unyielding is weak as fuck, only good reason to get it as a Tradition, is if you've started next-door to Genocidals.

Yeah, so weak it can give 125k str starbases. This thing is almost mandatory both early game and end-game. We'll see how things will change with relays as bases was the main source of delaying enemy fleet to get your to chokepoint in time.

 

[what am i doing]

No the opposite, just don't try to add stupid hand-crafted events in a procgen game.

Overall procgen worlds suck. Procedural generation can be a useful tool to speed up work or add minor variation to an overall handcrafted world (think Diablo 2 - procedural generation adds level variation but the overall Acts and general areas where dungeons are located are fixed) but having the world be entirely procedurally generated yields a world that is soulless and which feels artificial, because it is. That is the reason why 4X games are nowhere near as good as grand strategy games, and it is why making Stellaris a 4X instead of a GS was a mistake.

But the reason the handcrafted world works and is popular is because it is based on history.

Wrong, see Anbennar.

 

[Average Manatee]

Unyielding is weak as fuck, only good reason to get it as a Tradition, is if you've started next-door to Genocidals.

Yeah, so weak it can give 125k str starbases. This thing is almost mandatory both early game and end-game. We'll see how things will change with relays as bases was the main source of delaying enemy fleet to get your to chokepoint in time.

Unfortunately a 125k str starbase is probably worth more like ~80k in fleet power and grand admiral AIs can get that around 80ish years in. And if you're fighting any kind of crisis or fallen/awoken empire its nothing on any difficulty.

Also, you're spamming Ion Cannons to get that which are 2k alloys apiece. That's ~16000 alloys per star base and those ion cannons will be destroyed even if the starbase wins.

 

[Space Satan]

lso, you're spamming Ion Cannons to get that which are 2k alloys apiece. That's ~16000 alloys per star base and those ion cannons will be destroyed even if the starbase wins.

Tradition:
−50% Starbase Upgrade Cost
And plus rare techs that you will get by that time to get another -25% cost reduction and +50% build speed.
Crisis often move in fleets of either 125k or 36-55k - and starbases successfully fend off that small fleets, preventing incrusons into your territory.

 

[Riel]

I think people are mixing two things that are related but they are different: Space Bases and Weapon Platforms:

Military Space bases are incredibly cost effective for what they provide, in many situations they won't be enough to stop the enemy on their own but will provide huge support to a defending fleet via extra firepower and soaking damage.
Economic Star Bases provide extra stuff without having to invest POPULATION: food, energy, trade and fleet capacity, even some minerals and science as some ethics attraction that will result in higher happiness on planet -> stability -> planetary production.
Weapon Platforms, are almost guaranteed casualties in any serious battle this is why they are considered very expensive, it's not that they actually are but that compared to a fleet that will be mostly recovered even after a defeat losing all weapon platforms is a huge blow to accumulated alloy production.

That said, Unyielding is one of the top tradition now, because it doesn't just make for better and cheaper bases/weapon platforms but provides other very useful bonuses as well, like less War Exhaustion, Fire Rate in defensive War, extra base capacity which can be converted into energy, food and ship capacity almost for free. Most other traditions have nerfed so badly that this one is very easily one of the best available now if not the absolute best.

 

[coldcrow]

Concerning vanilla game: Indeed, I haven't played unmodded stellaris for so long, I shouldn't have said anything about vanilla traditions.

 

[Delterius]

mercantile+diplomatic is the best thing anyways

 

[Comte_II]

Yo this game still run like hot dog shit with this new patch expansion?

 

[Average Manatee]

lso, you're spamming Ion Cannons to get that which are 2k alloys apiece. That's ~16000 alloys per star base and those ion cannons will be destroyed even if the starbase wins.

Tradition:
−50% Starbase Upgrade Cost
And plus rare techs that you will get by that time to get another -25% cost reduction and +50% build speed.
Crisis often move in fleets of either 125k or 36-55k - and starbases successfully fend off that small fleets, preventing incrusons into your territory.

Starbase upgrade cost doesn't apply to defensive platforms. Or, if it does, then the 2k alloys per ion cannon was after the discount.
A starbase without unyielding will still have ~90k fleet power and will perform exactly the same against a 125k (totally destroyed) and a 36-55k fleet (easy win.

That said, Unyielding is one of the top tradition now, because it doesn't just make for better and cheaper bases/weapon platforms but provides other very useful bonuses as well, like less War Exhaustion, Fire Rate in defensive War, extra base capacity which can be converted into energy, food and ship capacity almost for free. Most other traditions have nerfed so badly that this one is very easily one of the best available now if not the absolute best.

Less war exhaustion generally doesn't matter because you should just win.
Fire rate in defensive wars is so rarely used as to not matter.
Extra base capacity for food is pretty weak. It's 10 per platform. Energy is great (honestly kind of broken) for hiveminds and machines, but normal empires don't get it. Running out of ship capacity is really rare if all your starbases but 1 or 2 at chokepoints are upgraded to full energy production.

Also note that supremacy's effects apply to starbases.

 

[Ibn Sina]

They removed Caucasians from the game. Now the UNE Humans are either a pajeet, a chink, or a nigger.

 

[Don Salieri]

They removed Caucasians from the game. Now the UNE Humans are either a pajeet, a chink, or a nigger.

It's paracuck, what do you expect? In the leaked Victoria 3 beta you can see how they remove Europeans after management talk to the artists. Suddenly there's niggers leading European revolutions and people have their race changed to fulfill Martin Anward's cuckold fetish or something, or maybe the company moneykike demanded it.

You think you have it bad? Oh you ain't seen nothing, pal. Even if there were real humans in Stellaris it would still be piece of shit game not worth playing. Some guy who posts here made a remake of Master of Orion, carbon copy down to minute mechanics, impossible to fuck it up if you clone it right. Except the humans are the encyclopedia picture you get in the section on dysgenics. Look at this shit, makes you think those ugly brown monkeys the kikes jam into everything aren't so bad anymore. A poster child of racial hygiene, I don't care what race you are, nobody wants their kids to look that fucked up.

 

[HeroMarine]

Paradox truly is a disgusting company.

 

[Kruno]

They removed Caucasians from the game. Now the UNE Humans are either a pajeet, a chink, or a nigger.

It fits my vision perfectly!
You should go watch some interracial porn!

 

[Kruno]

They removed Caucasians from the game. Now the UNE Humans are either a pajeet, a chink, or a nigger.

I was looking at their forums, the original files are still there.

Surprise surprise, Paradox bugged up

it is a marketing trick
if it backfires they can just say it was a bug
this was intentional to see if they could drum up more sales by being woke

 

[Kruno]

lso, you're spamming Ion Cannons to get that which are 2k alloys apiece. That's ~16000 alloys per star base and those ion cannons will be destroyed even if the starbase wins.

Tradition:
−50% Starbase Upgrade Cost
And plus rare techs that you will get by that time to get another -25% cost reduction and +50% build speed.
Crisis often move in fleets of either 125k or 36-55k - and starbases successfully fend off that small fleets, preventing incrusons into your territory.

They changed the AI and how fleets separate. I wonder if what you said still holds.

 

[Average Manatee]

Vassals are busted. All you need is to get them to like you through bribes/trust + have a decent navy and rather than invade people you just give them the most lenient vassalage agreement and they'll just accept. Then you get them to support you in wars and later on you get them to give you 75% of their research/resources, which includes the busted higher difficulty bonuses now. Fanatic Xenophile is probably the best build in the game now but I was able to do this with a hugs and kisses machine empire, my first 4 vassals just accepted the agreement without a fight despite them being massively stronger than me.

 

[what am i doing]

No the opposite, just don't try to add stupid hand-crafted events in a procgen game.

Overall procgen worlds suck. Procedural generation can be a useful tool to speed up work or add minor variation to an overall handcrafted world (think Diablo 2 - procedural generation adds level variation but the overall Acts and general areas where dungeons are located are fixed) but having the world be entirely procedurally generated yields a world that is soulless and which feels artificial, because it is. That is the reason why 4X games are nowhere near as good as grand strategy games, and it is why making Stellaris a 4X instead of a GS was a mistake.

This a 4X game.

Yes, hence I said that making it a 4X was a mistake. They should have made it a grand strategy game.

 

[Infinitron]

 

[Comte_II]

Dude you got a bot script posting this crap?

 

[Axioms]

Vassals are busted. All you need is to get them to like you through bribes/trust + have a decent navy and rather than invade people you just give them the most lenient vassalage agreement and they'll just accept. Then you get them to support you in wars and later on you get them to give you 75% of their research/resources, which includes the busted higher difficulty bonuses now. Fanatic Xenophile is probably the best build in the game now but I was able to do this with a hugs and kisses machine empire, my first 4 vassals just accepted the agreement without a fight despite them being massively stronger than me.

I saw some absolute idiot praising the game because a military society accepted to be their Bulwark but wouldn't accept other vassal types. "Haha Paradox such good game design". Like bro the AI is dumb as shit they all accept being any vassal type with like 5 seconds of work.

 

[Fedora Master]

lmao, Paradox quality.

 

[Storyfag]

lmao, Paradox quality.

A broken mechanic? In Stellaris? Impossibiru!

 

[Alienman]

Just read this on the official forums by user Igrek:

Yep, it is good in making the situation on the map less stale - however - it can lead to some funny shenanigans if you're unlucky and not careful.

I had a terraforming event after tf'ing Mars, encountered a subterenean primitives. Of course I invaded and proceded to purge them. Revolt situation came up, could not do much about it (pop numbers? Giving them consumer goods didint do much), so they revolted and yeah, lo and behold, they got Earth and Alpha Centauri with planets for free, couldn't declare war straight away. I had AI rebellion developing at that time, so after they got my planets, they kinda inherited it too, and they had a full blown rebellion of their own just weeks after declaring independence from me. Fun times.

While funny, it seems like a pretty damn broken mechanic. Also, apparently, it's auto truce for 10 years, you can't do anything military against the uprising. Say wut?

 

[Average Manatee]

The interstellar geneva convention is serious business.