Stellaris - Paradox new sci-fi grand strategy game

[chuft]

Someone help me understand this migration system. I have no Adeex in my empire. I have never seen them before. I have migration controls on by default. Yet somehow, the growing pop on one of my planets is...an Adeex.

Is this just a bug or what?

 

[Space Satan]

Do you have "refugees welcome" policy on? If yes then you are roleplaying Sweden. Someone is purging them and they are running away to your greener pastures

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

Doesn't slavery decrease the pop balance point tho?

 

[Norfleet]

Do you have any migration treaties with an empire that might have some? Is this a recently conquered planet? Since the number of progress points is zero so you have nothing to lose, try toggling the button to something else and then back to random?

 

[Preben]

Do you have "refugees welcome" policy on? If yes then you are roleplaying Sweden. Someone is purging them and they are running away to your greener pastures

Aren't refugees pops created by an event?

My bet goes on migration treaty also.

 

[chuft]

It's set to "Citizen species only" and these species are being treated as slaves.

I don't know where they are coming from. I have a migration treaty with a fellow reptilian species with their rights set as "Residents" but they are not the species that is growing everywhere in my empire now (which is also reptilian). Is it possible this new species is a servile race and the one I have a treaty with has Syncretic Evolution? It doesn't show it in their civics.

Speaking of which, I just conquered my first planet and the new slaves (72 of them) are heavily unemployed because they can't be specialists. As a new xeno overlord how do I deal with them? I don't want to resettle them in my empire. The "Expel excess pops" option is not available because there is a ton of excess housing (11 extra). Do you have to do a species wide purge of some kind? No way to target particular pops? I don't see one. Do I just scrap some of the city districts and then expel the excess created?

 

[chuft]

To be clear, at the time this alien species started growing everywhere in my empire, I had conquered no planets and my migration policy was always set to Citizen species only.

 

[chuft]

Now that I think about it, I am seeing my migration partner's Ethics, not Civics. How do you see their civics?

Never mind, googled it. Their civics are police state and distinguished admiralty. These intruders are not their servile species. So they aren't allowed to migrate nor are they allowed to be accepted as refugees and I did not conquer them, yet here they are.

 

[chuft]

Is there a Sweden achievement?

 

[MadMaxHellfire]

dude, have you ever heard the expression "illegal alien"? literally, that's them. kill the xenos! purge the unclean!

 

[Preben]

Is there a Sweden achievement?

That's granted only for buying all games and all released DLCs (including later bundle releases) and then going to Stockholm to suck off Johan.

 

[Storyfag]

Now that I think about it, I am seeing my migration partner's Ethics, not Civics. How do you see their civics?

Never mind, googled it. Their civics are police state and distinguished admiralty. These intruders are not their servile species. So they aren't allowed to migrate nor are they allowed to be accepted as refugees and I did not conquer them, yet here they are.

They might still be a citizen/slave species within the empire you made the migration treaty with. They needn't be serviles to exist in their society.

 

[chuft]

I was just wondering if the serviles thing might let in a species when I have a migration treaty and set the rights of the dominant species to allow migration, even though I did not do that for any other species.

Since I have migration controls on by default I don’t understand how this species can migrate in even if they live in an empire I have a migration treaty with. As a species their migration controls are still on. Does the treaty override that? If so the species controls are worthless.

 

[MadMaxHellfire]

since the vanishing of the cool hyperdrive types, all i ever wanted from stellaris has been to create a small-mid size empire with impenetrable chokepoints which could start developing megastructures and then take on fallen empires, but then:
-too many aggressive neighbours, i get attacked and raped before even building the first base
-not enough neighbours, i get too strong too fast
-megastructures tech refuses to pop up, i don't need them anymore
-not enough planets to colonize, i get attacked and raped
-too many planets to colonize, i don't need megastructures anymore

finally the perfect game, with a huge, unstoppable enemy on the other side who keeps growing, on my side of the galaxy instead some juicy targets to vassallize and a big federation i'm in good terms with, i'm big but not too much, i have subjects, i'm developing megastructures in a few months, until i meet a systematic crash. on the second day of the following month the game crashes. feel the desperation.


on an unrelated note, i need two mods:
megastructures, and maybe even habitats, unlocked from the beginning
all ship sizes unlocked from the beginning, compatible with nsc or maybe not, i can live with that

 

[chuft]

And here, we have a chattel slavery pop in a ruler job.

No bugs here, no sirree.

 

[Prime Junta]

And here, we have a chattel slavery pop in a ruler job.

Lots of precedent for that. Most of the Ottoman bureaucracy right up to the highest level was run by slaves.

 

[Norfleet]

I don't know where they are coming from. I have a migration treaty with a fellow reptilian species with their rights set as "Residents" but they are not the species that is growing everywhere in my empire now (which is also reptilian). Is it possible this new species is a servile race and the one I have a treaty with has Syncretic Evolution? It doesn't show it in their civics.

Just because the species migrating isn't their species doesn't mean it's not coming FROM them. What can often happen is that species will end up in some other empire for whatever reason (conquest, migration, refugees, etc), and then start migrating to ANOTHER empire from there.

So yes, you're definitely suffering from chain migration. The species in question migrates to the empire you have a migration treaty with, and then can migrate from them to you. Think of migration treaties like STDs: You're basically fucking everyone that person has ever fucked, and everyone those people have ever fucked.

 

[chuft]

I thought having species migration on "no" by default would prevent anyone but the species I gave residence to from migrating in, but apparently the migration treaty overrides the species rights. Lesson learned.

"Migration controls determines whether a species is allowed to migrate. It applies both within the empire and towards empires with a Migration Treaty."

Wiki is wrong.

 

[chuft]

By the way how are you guys making trash sub-species? I can't seem to remove good traits nor add bad ones.

 

[Norfleet]

Bio-Ascension lets you remove good traits and add bad ones.

"Migration controls determines whether a species is allowed to migrate. It applies both within the empire and towards empires with a Migration Treaty."

Yeah, I'm not sure if that information is correct. It definitely stops them from moving around in your own empire, but I'm not sure it stops them from arriving.

 

[FreeKaner]

And here, we have a chattel slavery pop in a ruler job.

Lots of precedent for that. Most of the Ottoman bureaucracy right up to the highest level was run by slaves.

That is not really true. I assume you mean the devshirme here. While it is true that devshirme I.E blood tax, who were nominally slaves, did get to positions of power including that of position of Grand vizier, second only to Sultan. This was not the rule.

Children who were raised through devshirme were part of the administrative-military class but they were not the sole members of it. They were also more present in the military side of things, usually as officers and engineers and occasionally as governors. Most of the viziers and imperial council members were freeborn Muslims, some of which were converts. Moreover bureaucracy as it is, that is people like scribes, chroniclers, archivists, tax-collectors, surveyors etc. were mostly Muslims, almost invariably freeborn, some of which were also converts. Not to mention the whole class of judges, who were mostly made of erudite class of Muslim scholars. There were also some slaves and otherwise indentured servants employed here as staff, which could become themselves into these positions after being freed but they were not from devshirme generally.

So you are not wrong in that, in Ottoman empire, a slave pop could attain a ruler job speaking in Stellaris terms, it was not most of it.

 

[Preben]

Ottomans may not be a good example, yes. But you have Mameluke Egypt, where the entire ruling class was composed of (nominal) slaves. There also was a slave dynasty in Muslim-ruled India.

So yes, such things did happen IRL.

 

[FreeKaner]

Ottomans may not be a good example, yes. But you have Mameluke Egypt, where the entire ruling class was composed of (nominal) slaves. There also was a slave dynasty in Muslim-ruled India.

So yes, such things did happen IRL.

In both those cases it's slave-soldiers taking over government. It is possibly less "accurate" than ottomans. Although a slave pop could and did have a "ruler" job, that is not unrealistic.

In both cases they were Turkics also. Solution? Add Turkic pops that can spontaneously take over government.

 

[Preben]

In both cases they were Turkics also. Solution? Add Turkic pops that can spontaneously take over government.

IIRC Egyptian Mamelukes were mostly Circassians and Georgians.
There were also Slavic slave-soldiers known as Saqaliba who carved their own states in Al-Andasus.

But the ethnicity meant actually jack shit in the context of the era. It was the slave status that mattered.

 

[FreeKaner]

In both cases they were Turkics also. Solution? Add Turkic pops that can spontaneously take over government.

IIRC Egyptian Mamelukes were mostly Circassians and Georgians.
There were also Slavic slave-soldiers known as Saqaliba who carved their own states in Al-Andasus.

But the ethnicity meant actually jack shit in the context of the era. It was the slave status that mattered.

Depends on the era for Mamelukes. Originally they were Turkics, that is when they took over the government. Eventually towards end of Mameluke state a larger part of them came to be Circassians, although they were still Turkish speakers and used Turkish names. After Ottomans annexed Mameluke state and annihilated most of Mamelukes, they were drawn from mostly Circassians. However those adopted the Ottoman elite culture through there.

Yeah the ethnicity didn't matter, it is the broader class, religion and language. As is was generally the case in this time before nationalism.