Starfield Thread - now with Shattered Space horror expansion

[Vic]

Not even close, Vic... not even close.

I just wanted to post that video to show some cool stealth combat in starfield but it didn't allow me to do so without embedding the whole post, sheesh

even the reddit post itself is tongue in cheek, don't worry starfield's combat is far away from the immersive sim combat of dishonored, BUT we'll see how far mods can take it with the brand new Creation Engine 2™

 

[adddeed]

Having a lot of fun with the game. Runs great, looks pretty damn amazing even on medium detail, and im impressed with how fleshed out ship gameplay is. Couldnt care less about loading screens, takes seconds and every single Bethesda game had them.
This is excactly the game i was expecting, a Bethesda RPG set in space.

 

[Fedora Master]

Stop being part of the problem

 

[Zombra]

Very irritated with the dumb way importing and exporting cargo works. If you build a receiving platform on Alpha and shipping platforms on Beta and Gamma, the shipping lines can't both run to Alpha because only one shipper can ever have "dibs" on the receiving platform. I guess you can sit there and manually flip the switch every time you want a different ship to be able to land, but otherwise you literally need to build two landing pads if you want two shipping lines running at once. This is like so outrageously stupid it's threatening to break my addiction to this game.

 

[Vic]

I’ve been doing nothing but play starfield and post in this thread for 2 weeks so yeah my addiction with the game is starting to run low too

combat isn’t deep enough to keep me entertained much longer, game is severely lacking in set pieces and unique bonuses. It’s always the few handful bonuses on items.

all in all an improvement over fallout 4 and one that kept me entertained for over 100 hours.

 

[Cohesion]

I can't help but be sad that every breakout hit is a fantasy game and every space game underperforms. We're never leaving this planet, society has been corrupted by nostalgia.

Edit: the year is 1961

 

[Gargaune]

Starfield Updates and Mod Support – September 13, 2023

First, an enormous thank you to all of you playing Starfield and your support. We are absolutely blown away by the response and all you love about the game. We’re also reading all your great feedback on what you’d like to see improved or added to the game. This is a game we’ll be supporting for years and years to come, so please keep all the feedback coming! Even if we don’t get to your requests immediately, we’d love to do it in the future, like city maps. Our priority initially is making sure any top blocker bugs or stability issues are addressed, and adding quality-of-life features that many are asking for.

This first update is a small hotfix targeted at the few top issues were are seeing. After that, expect a regular interval of updates that have top community requested features including:

• Brightness and Contrast controls
• HDR Calibration Menu
• FOV Slider
• Nvidia DLSS Support (PC)
• 32:9 Ultrawide Monitor Support (PC)
• Eat button for food!

We’re also working closely with Nvidia, AMD, and Intel on driver support, and each update will include new stability and performance improvements.

Additionally, we are working on our built-in mod support (Creations) that will work across all platforms similar to what we’ve done with Skyrim and Fallout 4. This full support is planned to launch early next year. Until then, we know our PC community is already very active in the modding space and if you have any feedback on how we can make this better, please let us know . Modding and creating in our games will always be a vital and important part of who we are, and we love seeing the community get off to such a strong start.

Keep the feedback coming, we really do read it all, and thank you all again for taking this journey with us!

Bethesda Game Studios

NO MOD NO TODD!

 

[Grampy_Bone]

Very irritated with the dumb way importing and exporting cargo works

It's especially sad considering how easy it was in Fallout 4. Just assign one colonist to caravan and instantly have access to your entire resource stockpile. Starfield not only has 10x the number of basic resources but 30-odd different intermediate components that need to be crafted, while making each individual base far less productive in general. Jump through a dozen hoops just to have access to cheap parts you can buy plentifully in any random shop.

The whole system is so half baked and poorly thought out its either something that was overdesigned and later gutted, or a system that someone on the dev team was so dead set on including they refused to listen to critique.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Starfield Updates and Mod Support – September 13, 2023

First, an enormous thank you to all of you playing Starfield and your support. We are absolutely blown away by the response and all you love about the game. We’re also reading all your great feedback on what you’d like to see improved or added to the game. This is a game we’ll be supporting for years and years to come, so please keep all the feedback coming! Even if we don’t get to your requests immediately, we’d love to do it in the future, like city maps. Our priority initially is making sure any top blocker bugs or stability issues are addressed, and adding quality-of-life features that many are asking for.

This first update is a small hotfix targeted at the few top issues were are seeing. After that, expect a regular interval of updates that have top community requested features including:

• Brightness and Contrast controls
• HDR Calibration Menu
• FOV Slider
• Nvidia DLSS Support (PC)
• 32:9 Ultrawide Monitor Support (PC)
• Eat button for food!

We’re also working closely with Nvidia, AMD, and Intel on driver support, and each update will include new stability and performance improvements.

Additionally, we are working on our built-in mod support (Creations) that will work across all platforms similar to what we’ve done with Skyrim and Fallout 4. This full support is planned to launch early next year. Until then, we know our PC community is already very active in the modding space and if you have any feedback on how we can make this better, please let us know . Modding and creating in our games will always be a vital and important part of who we are, and we love seeing the community get off to such a strong start.

 

[Silverfish]

The only reason you niggers post here is to farm upvotes like cattle plebbitors from the usual suspects.

I'm posting here because I enjoy making fun of Bethesda. Any positive ratings garnered here will be evened out in one of the Dark Souls threads the next time I defend Bed of Chaos.

 

[Tehdagah]

Eat button for food.

 

[Robotigan]

My hottest of hot takes is that Bethesda needs to stop worrying about characters and dialogue reactivity. That doesn't scale well with the open-ended structure they go for (and is kind of an overrated feature anyway). Just do what they did before. Have your quests and the choice is whether or not the player wants to complete it.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

My hottest of hot takes is that Bethesda needs to stop worrying about characters and dialogue reactivity. That doesn't scale well with the open-ended structure they go for (and is kind of an overrated feature anyway). Just do what they did before. Have your quests and the choice is whether or not the player wants to complete it.

Arcanum let you kill anyone and everyone and you could still complete the main quest, and many sidequests. The reactivity wasn't a hinderance, since they just built in many ways of completely the quest - notes, journals, clues on their person or even raising the dead.

It's more that Bethesda isn't very skilled and designs things lazily. Instead of building multiple ways to continue a quest with one dead NPC, they just make him invincible.

 

[Rhobar121]

I just had to paste this to piss Vic off.

 

[0wca]

My hottest of hot takes is that Bethesda needs to stop worrying about characters and dialogue reactivity. That doesn't scale well with the open-ended structure they go for (and is kind of an overrated feature anyway). Just do what they did before. Have your quests and the choice is whether or not the player wants to complete it.

Arcanum let you kill anyone and everyone and you could still complete the main quest, and many sidequests. The reactivity wasn't a hinderance, since they just built in many ways of completely the quest - notes, journals, clues on their person or even raising the dead.

It's more that Bethesda isn't very skilled and designs things lazily. Instead of building multiple ways to continue a quest with one dead NPC, they just make him invincible.

It's amazing it took almost two decades for people to realize that.

 

[Fedora Master]

I just had to paste this to piss Vic off.

Both of these are journos being retarded

 

[Fedora Master]

My hottest of hot takes is that Bethesda needs to stop worrying about characters and dialogue reactivity. That doesn't scale well with the open-ended structure they go for (and is kind of an overrated feature anyway). Just do what they did before. Have your quests and the choice is whether or not the player wants to complete it.

Arcanum let you kill anyone and everyone and you could still complete the main quest, and many sidequests. The reactivity wasn't a hinderance, since they just built in many ways of completely the quest - notes, journals, clues on their person or even raising the dead.

It's more that Bethesda isn't very skilled and designs things lazily. Instead of building multiple ways to continue a quest with one dead NPC, they just make him invincible.

Why do people keep saying "Bethesda"? This was done by Ranjid and Co.

The real question is why Bethesda would outsource such an important title to third world poogrammers but I suspect they simply knew their fan base would lap up anything.

 

[mediocrepoet]

third world poogrammers

Not sure if this was a typo (probably isn't), but definitely one of your better quips.

 

[Rhobar121]

I just had to paste this to piss Vic off.

Both of these are journos being retarded

Possibly, but of the two, bg3 is better trash than starfield

My hottest of hot takes is that Bethesda needs to stop worrying about characters and dialogue reactivity. That doesn't scale well with the open-ended structure they go for (and is kind of an overrated feature anyway). Just do what they did before. Have your quests and the choice is whether or not the player wants to complete it.

Arcanum let you kill anyone and everyone and you could still complete the main quest, and many sidequests. The reactivity wasn't a hinderance, since they just built in many ways of completely the quest - notes, journals, clues on their person or even raising the dead.

It's more that Bethesda isn't very skilled and designs things lazily. Instead of building multiple ways to continue a quest with one dead NPC, they just make him invincible.

Why do people keep saying "Bethesda"? This was done by Ranjid and Co.

The real question is why Bethesda would outsource such an important title to third world poogrammers but I suspect they simply knew their fan base would lap up anything.

I don't know why you assume that Bethesda programmers are any better. It is unlikely that asians would be responsible for anything other than graphic assets. In fact, western "programmers" are primarily responsible for the state of the game.

 

[mediocrepoet]

The real question is why Bethesda would outsource such an important title to third world poogrammers but I suspect they simply knew their fan base would lap up anything.

I don't know why you assume that Bethesda programmers are any better. It is unlikely that asians would be responsible for anything other than graphic assets. In fact, western "programmers" are primarily responsible for the state of the game.

Regardless of whose fault it is, when talking about Bethesda, I think "poogrammers" hits the nail on the head, tbf.

 

[soulburner]

There are a few misconceptions about what an engine is and specifically what Creation Engine is.
It barely has anything to do with Netimmerse or Gamebryo. The only things that are left over from those code bases are most likely the most basic things that need not be changed because if you would, you'd simply rewrite them to do the same thing and most likely the code would even look the same, too. Half-Life: Alyx contains code dating back to Half-Life 1, which ported code from C to C++ dating back to Quake. I haven't looked, but I bet Unreal Engine 5.3 has elements which date back to the first Unreal release and which did not require an update over the years.

Everything we do not like about the Creation Engine is a Bethesda thing. Bugs dating back to Morrowind? That's on Bethesda, not the original engine authors.

Regarding the amount of loading screens I believe it has something to do with how scripting works in the engine. Moving between areas of New Atlantis by tram requires a load screen to update the scripts of NPCs and such. Sure, Bethesda could make an actually moving tram, but that's a different story. Some stores are behind a loading screen because they had to isolate them for some reason from the rest of the area, also most likely due to scripting and memory constraints. Make no mistake, games are developed with consoles in mind, no matter how much the PC release could be important to them. The current Xbox consoles have 16 GB of unified memory, where 10 GB is "fast" memory. Take a look at memory usage on the PC: the game rarely uses more than 6 GB of video memory, but also uses at least 5 GB of system RAM. That's over 10 GB total. If we reduce some textures and shaders sizes, it can be trimmed down a bit but not enough to allow for another store to exist in that particular cell and must be hidden behind a loading screen. Creation Engine 2 has a lot of I/O activity during gameplay so they already use a lot of streaming to make everything fit within their memory budget. Could they enhance streaming further to allow more areas to exist without a loading screen? Maybe, but it's easy for us to say when we don't have to write the code.


There's also another misconception about modding Bethesda games. People often say the studio develops many things half assed because "mods will fix it". This is not how it works, developers don't do that, even at Bethesda. The fact that we can have a completely overhauled inventory in the form of StarUI, we can change how dialog options look, fonts, change textures, effects, shaders and all the rest... is only a good thing. How often do we play games with a terrible UI and the game cannot be modded at all? People will say "well, the UI sucks, but it's a good game". In the case of a Bethesda release? "The UI sucks and we have to resort to modding, Bethesda sucks!". I have only praise for Bethesda's approach to modding and they are most likely aware this is what keeps their games alive (and selling) for so long... we still get mods for the original Doom or Quake and we still get mods for Morrowind. A lot of sales of such old games today are most likely happening because of the unlimited amount of user content out there.

 

[FugueLah]

There are a few misconceptions about what an engine is and specifically what Creation Engine is.
It barely has anything to do with Netimmerse or Gamebryo. The only things that are left over from those code bases are most likely the most basic things that need not be changed because if you would, you'd simply rewrite them to do the same thing and most likely the code would even look the same, too. Half-Life: Alyx contains code dating back to Half-Life 1, which ported code from C to C++ dating back to Quake. I haven't looked, but I bet Unreal Engine 5.3 has elements which date back to the first Unreal release and which did not require an update over the years.

Everything we do not like about the Creation Engine is a Bethesda thing. Bugs dating back to Morrowind? That's on Bethesda, not the original engine authors.

Regarding the amount of loading screens I believe it has something to do with how scripting works in the engine. Moving between areas of New Atlantis by tram requires a load screen to update the scripts of NPCs and such. Sure, Bethesda could make an actually moving tram, but that's a different story. Some stores are behind a loading screen because they had to isolate them for some reason from the rest of the area, also most likely due to scripting and memory constraints. Make no mistake, games are developed with consoles in mind, no matter how much the PC release could be important to them. The current Xbox consoles have 16 GB of unified memory, where 10 GB is "fast" memory. Take a look at memory usage on the PC: the game rarely uses more than 6 GB of video memory, but also uses at least 5 GB of system RAM. That's over 10 GB total. If we reduce some textures and shaders sizes, it can be trimmed down a bit but not enough to allow for another store to exist in that particular cell and must be hidden behind a loading screen. Creation Engine 2 has a lot of I/O activity during gameplay so they already use a lot of streaming to make everything fit within their memory budget. Could they enhance streaming further to allow more areas to exist without a loading screen? Maybe, but it's easy for us to say when we don't have to write the code.


There's also another misconception about modding Bethesda games. People often say the studio develops many things half assed because "mods will fix it". This is not how it works, developers don't do that, even at Bethesda. The fact that we can have a completely overhauled inventory in the form of StarUI, we can change how dialog options look, fonts, change textures, effects, shaders and all the rest... is only a good thing. How often do we play games with a terrible UI and the game cannot be modded at all? People will say "well, the UI sucks, but it's a good game". In the case of a Bethesda release? "The UI sucks and we have to resort to modding, Bethesda sucks!". I have only praise for Bethesda's approach to modding and they are most likely aware this is what keeps their games alive (and selling) for so long... we still get mods for the original Doom or Quake and we still get mods for Morrowind. A lot of sales of such old games today are most likely happening because of the unlimited amount of user content out there.

I really don't understand what you are trying to say. All the recurring scuffed shit typical to Bethesda games for over 2 decades is due to unchanged aspects of the engine. The dead-eyed NPC dialogues are a perfect example. I don't even think they are penny-pinching at this point. Todd probably sees these Bethesda traits more like a brand now.

 

[0wca]

 

[soulburner]

I really don't understand what you are trying to say. All the recurring scuffed shit typical to Bethesda games for over 2 decades is due to unchanged aspects of the engine. The dead-eyed NPC dialogues are a perfect example. I don't even think they are penny-pinching at this point. Todd probably sees these Bethesda traits more like a brand now.

What I'm trying to say is people who claim Bethesda games suck because Creation Engine 2 is actually Gamebryo NetImmerse are wrong. I did not in any way try to say Bethesda is not at fault - on the contrary. All the aspects of the engine that suck are the result of Bethesda's coders and it has nothing to do with their engine's legacy. NPC animations and facial expressions bad? It's up to coders and animators and not the fault of where the engine's roots are.

 

[FugueLah]

Sounds a lot like a semantic argument about where an engine begins and ends. The designers are making the game on the engine. The code for dialogue animations is in the engine, unchanged for twenty years. You say it is down to the coders and animators, but I say what coders and animators?