S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2: Heart of Chornobyl

[Stavrophore]

People would be surprised how low poly models for modern games would look like without all the mapping textures beside diffuse and without tesselation. Usually anything that is not close to camera, like faces or objects in cutscenes with closeups, is not going to be super poly unless needed, because you can fake detail to be "good enough" without adding geometry.

 

[anvi]

Not meaning to come off as a prick, but I lol'd reading this, as if everything in video gaming isn't a series of tricks.

C'mon man...

(for a lack of a better word, don't @ me on this)

You know what I meant

What does it matter that reflections aren't "real" if the solution used is effective at the illusion and is more performant than trying to generate "real" reflections?

It matters because what Ba'al was arguing (as I understood at least) is that there's no justification for RT being so much much more taxing than the older methods of achieving reflections
It also matters because since RT possess capabilities none of the methods can match, there's applications for which RT will be the better choice

I remember how in the late 2000s you could buy a decent mid-tier PC for like 300-500 bucks.

I also remember how in the late 2000s I could buy a piece of bread for no more than 5 cents
Now I'm hard pressed to find any baker that sells it for less than 20 cents

A top-end ROG Strix 4080 Super OC Super Duper Pooper Scooper costs 1300 USD, more than double the 550-600 USD I spent on my 980.

Ok, but you technically asked me for "the best 4080" not "the most expensive 4080"
And that's still a large way from triple, let alone quadruple

A 4090, the closest analogue to the Titan X, costs 2300-3000 USD.

Maybe where do you live
But here I can get one around 1900€ (600€ more than the Titan X costed)

There cannot be any separation between artistic/aesthetic merit and artisan workmanship.

You can argue that Chaos Theory uses it's lightning and sound system in creative ways that other games still don't rival
But it's another thing entirely to claim the lightning and sound tech of CT is better other games

I like that with 600 triangles you can see what it's supposed to look like and your imagination can fill in the gaps. And it runs fast. And with good art style it can look good and be immersive.

How many polygons a game needs depends entirely on what kind of game the devs are trying to make

600 polygons might have been enough to make Alone in the Dark, but they wouldn't be enough to make a game like this:

That looks amazing what is that game? I'm guessing it's a puzzle game or something and you can't explore and fight in 3d?

I usually only really care about graphics in some kind of simulation. I can happily play Knights of Chalice or Noita or something and not miss high tech graphics. If I compare KOTC to BG3 or NWN or something, the newer games seem bad value because their better graphics did nothing for me compared to KOTC. But if I play a flight sim or immersive space game or something, I want it to look as good as possible. For most games I think they should split the difference.

 

[randir14]

Not meaning to come off as a prick, but I lol'd reading this, as if everything in video gaming isn't a series of tricks.

C'mon man...

(for a lack of a better word, don't @ me on this)

You know what I meant

What does it matter that reflections aren't "real" if the solution used is effective at the illusion and is more performant than trying to generate "real" reflections?

It matters because what Ba'al was arguing (as I understood at least) is that there's no justification for RT being so much much more taxing than the older methods of achieving reflections
It also matters because since RT possess capabilities none of the methods can match, there's applications for which RT will be the better choice

I remember how in the late 2000s you could buy a decent mid-tier PC for like 300-500 bucks.

I also remember how in the late 2000s I could buy a piece of bread for no more than 5 cents
Now I'm hard pressed to find any baker that sells it for less than 20 cents

A top-end ROG Strix 4080 Super OC Super Duper Pooper Scooper costs 1300 USD, more than double the 550-600 USD I spent on my 980.

Ok, but you technically asked me for "the best 4080" not "the most expensive 4080"
And that's still a large way from triple, let alone quadruple

A 4090, the closest analogue to the Titan X, costs 2300-3000 USD.

Maybe where do you live
But here I can get one around 1900€ (600€ more than the Titan X costed)

There cannot be any separation between artistic/aesthetic merit and artisan workmanship.

You can argue that Chaos Theory uses it's lightning and sound system in creative ways that other games still don't rival
But it's another thing entirely to claim the lightning and sound tech of CT is better other games

I like that with 600 triangles you can see what it's supposed to look like and your imagination can fill in the gaps. And it runs fast. And with good art style it can look good and be immersive.

How many polygons a game needs depends entirely on what kind of game the devs are trying to make

600 polygons might have been enough to make Alone in the Dark, but they wouldn't be enough to make a game like this:

That looks amazing what is that game? I'm guessing it's a puzzle game or something and you can't explore and fight in 3d?

I usually only really care about graphics in some kind of simulation. I can happily play Knights of Chalice or Noita or something and not miss high tech graphics. If I compare KOTC to BG3 or NWN or something, the newer games seem bad value because their better graphics did nothing for me compared to KOTC. But if I play a flight sim or immersive space game or something, I want it to look as good as possible. For most games I think they should split the difference.

It's Resident Evil remake

 

[Odoryuk]

600 polygons might have been enough to make Alone in the Dark, but they wouldn't be enough to make a game like this:

Most of stuff on these gifs are prerendered sequences, not realtime 3D (the crow is 3D though, but I doubt it has more than 600 triangles)

 

[Iucounu]

I'd rather hear stalkers telling jokes, but this is also nice atmosphere.

The audio sounds off, it's got way more low frequency that you'd expect from a radio speaker. Is it in stereo too? (I'm listening through headphones.)

 

[Drakortha]

'Smoking Barrels'? More like 'Smoking Cock'.

Trailer is about the gayest thing I've seen since call of duty. Even Fallout 4 weapons weren't this gay. At least there was a fictional fantasy element to those weapons. But this is nothing but gunporn for guntards. Sad if this is their main selling point for the game. "Look guys! you can mod your guns however you want. Play Your Way ™"

What happened to the shitty hunting shotguns and pistols that most plebs in the zone were carrying? And scrounging around for whatever you can use? Instead you're getting bolt action sniper rifles with undermounted shotguns. You have to be 13 years old with autism to get excited by that.

 

[Sweeper]

>NPC lines are in English
Soulless.

 

[Ol' Willy]

'Smoking Barrels'? More like 'Smoking Cock'.

Trailer is about the gayest thing I've seen since call of duty. Even Fallout 4 weapons weren't this gay. At least there was a fictional fantasy element to those weapons. But this is nothing but gunporn for guntards. Sad if this is their main selling point for the game. "Look guys! you can mod your guns however you want. Play Your Way ™"

What happened to the shitty hunting shotguns and pistols that most plebs in the zone were carrying? And scrounging around for whatever you can use? Instead you're getting bolt action sniper rifles with undermounted shotguns. You have to be 13 years old with autism to get excited by that.

Not a single AK or M-4 in the trailer too

 

[Gerrard]

What happened to the shitty hunting shotguns and pistols that most plebs in the zone were carrying? And scrounging around for whatever you can use?

You mean those guns that nobody used past the first 30 minutes of the game?

 

[Drakortha]

What happened to the shitty hunting shotguns and pistols that most plebs in the zone were carrying? And scrounging around for whatever you can use?

You mean those guns that nobody used past the first 30 minutes of the game?

Yes those guns. But I suppose with your mindset, all low-end weapons and gear should just be removed from the game. Give the player a suit of exo-armor from the start.

Is that what you want S.T.A.L.K.E.R to be? A power fantasy where every player needs to feel empowered by choices™ ? It's actually one of the worst game design trends of modern games and GSC is using it as a selling point in their trailer. Instead they should be emphasizing a dangerous zone that doesn't give a fuck about your weapon choices and you will die unprepared and under-equipped for the task until your dumbass learns to survive it.

 

[Gerrard]

You're just another retard who hasn't actually played any of these games in 15 years and all you have is some warped, demented image of what the games "actually were like" that is completely untrue. Next you'll be saying they were survival games.
Please continue sperging out.

 

[jebsmoker]

What happened to the shitty hunting shotguns and pistols that most plebs in the zone were carrying? And scrounging around for whatever you can use?

You mean those guns that nobody used past the first 30 minutes of the game?

Yes those guns. But I suppose with your mindset, all low-end weapons and gear should just be removed from the game. Give the player a suit of exo-armor from the start.

Is that what you want S.T.A.L.K.E.R to be? A power fantasy where every player needs to feel empowered by choices™ ? It's actually one of the worst game design trends of modern games and GSC is using it as a selling point in their trailer. Instead they should be emphasizing a dangerous zone that doesn't give a fuck about your weapon choices and you will die unprepared and under-equipped for the task until your dumbass learns to survive it.

there's *more* shotguns this time around and the toz-34 and toz-66 are in stalker 2

you can still use the toz-34 as a mildly overpowered weapon of mass destruction that's kept in check by its 2 shot capacity lmao

 

[Drakortha]

You're just another retard who hasn't actually played any of these games in 15 years and all you have is some warped, demented image of what the games "actually were like" that is completely untrue. Next you'll be saying they were survival games.
Please continue sperging out.

STALKER 2 is Xbox gamepass SLOP aimed at call of duty kids and furries. Yet you're going to sit there and tell me STALKER was like this all along and that my memory of it is warped and demented. You're the sperging retard in this thread if you actually think that.

 

[ArchAngel]

You're just another retard who hasn't actually played any of these games in 15 years and all you have is some warped, demented image of what the games "actually were like" that is completely untrue. Next you'll be saying they were survival games.
Please continue sperging out.

STALKER 2 is Xbox gamepass SLOP aimed at call of duty kids and furries. Yet you're going to sit there and tell me STALKER was like this all along and that my memory of it is warped and demented. You're the sperging retard in this thread if you actually think that.

More like aimed at Tarkov players and you are retarded with these stupid takes.

 

[Drakortha]

More like aimed at Tarkov players

And that's better, how? Tarkov is not STALKER.

 

[Ryzer]

You're just another retard who hasn't actually played any of these games in 15 years and all you have is some warped, demented image of what the games "actually were like" that is completely untrue. Next you'll be saying they were survival games.
Please continue sperging out.

STALKER 2 is Xbox gamepass SLOP aimed at call of duty kids and furries. Yet you're going to sit there and tell me STALKER was like this all along and that my memory of it is warped and demented. You're the sperging retard in this thread if you actually think that.

More like aimed at Tarkov players and you are retarded with these stupid takes.

He's right you know, the gameplay feels like a Call of Duty. In fact remove Stalker in the title and you would think it's the new Call of Duty campaign. The blood splatter on the screen when hit in particular is taken straight from COD.

 

[ArchAngel]

More like aimed at Tarkov players

And that's better, how? Tarkov is not STALKER.

It is also not Call of Duty. It is way more similar to STALKER.

 

[ArchAngel]

You're just another retard who hasn't actually played any of these games in 15 years and all you have is some warped, demented image of what the games "actually were like" that is completely untrue. Next you'll be saying they were survival games.
Please continue sperging out.

STALKER 2 is Xbox gamepass SLOP aimed at call of duty kids and furries. Yet you're going to sit there and tell me STALKER was like this all along and that my memory of it is warped and demented. You're the sperging retard in this thread if you actually think that.

More like aimed at Tarkov players and you are retarded with these stupid takes.

He's right you know, the gameplay feels like a Call of Duty. In fact remove Stalker in the title and you would think it's the new Call of Duty campaign.

Previews say that gameplay is very hard so I doubt it is like CoD where you can get hit 10+ times before death and murder 100 enemies in single battles.

 

[Drakortha]

It is also not Call of Duty. It is way more similar to STALKER.

You're right. Tarkov and COD are nothing alike at all!

 

[Ryzer]

Previews say that gameplay is very hard so I doubt it is like CoD where you can get hit 10+ times before death and murder 100 enemies in single battles.

I compare it with COD just by the way the game looks and feels. The animations are similar to COD 2019, the AI seems as dumb as in COD, the blood splatter on the screen is a rip-off from COD, the movements are as fast as in COD.

It's COD but in Ukraine.

 

[Necrensha]

You know, just cause the player character is fast doesn't mean that the game has to automatically be easy.

 

[Ryzer]

 

[ArchAngel]

You know, just cause the player character is fast doesn't mean that the game has to automatically be easy.

It might be harder because enemy might also be faster.

 

[Kem0sabe]

I'm not seeing this running at 60fps on the Xbox series x, despite what the media are saying.

Enviado do meu Pixel 7a através do Tapatalk

 

[blessed king of longing]

I remember buying an 8800GTX about 20 years ago, I think it was the top card available at the time. It was about half the price of what a 4070 costs now. Since then they started making stupidly expensive shit. I remember the Titan and whatever else. 1 grand cards and more. Too many people don't understand that they are being played as chumps. It is horse armor for graphics cards. If people had zero tolerance for that shit then graphics cards would be cheap now. The fact that some idiot cashcows bought it means the entire industry is fucked forever. And the bitcoin farming shit was the final nail.

I'll never buy an Nvidia product again and if I ever upgrade my gfx card to a Radeon something, I will buy second hand because fuck them too.

titans are still around, they just call them xx90 now. turns out it was a genius rebranding strategy, because now people think they need them