Review RPG Codex Review: Darth Roxor on Disappointment, thy name is Pillars of Eternity

[Lhynn]

Neverwinter Nights - it was a solid game.

So, it has come to this.

You cant judge nwn by its OC anymore, not in 2015.

 

[Zeriel]

Neverwinter Nights - it was a solid game.

So, it has come to this.

r00fles

 

[Night Goat]

Descartes had to find a backdoor to another thing - what if even my thoughts are false because they are implanted in me by a spiteful god? Answer: This cannot be because God is good by nature and wouldn't do such a thing.

I wonder if Descartes really believed this, or if he had to say it because of the times he lived in.

 

[Shadenuat]

This is so awesome

Everything is awesome

Print it, pack it, send to Obsidian in multiple copies on gold paper like those nifty party invitation cards

 

[Bubbles]

Clearly you can't expect the same from Sawyer&Obsidian, who've shipped 5+ games and worked on the sequel of one of the most popular Western RPGs of all time

I can't tell if you're talking about DS3, New Vegas, or NWN2 here.

 

[Volrath]

Neverwinter Nights - it was a solid game.

So, it has come to this.

Yep, not long after felipepepe considered the creation of RTWP to be a crowning achievement for the cRPG genre.

This thread fucking delivers.

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

Clearly you can't expect the same from Sawyer&Obsidian, who've shipped 5+ games and worked on the sequel of one of the most popular Western RPGs of all time

I can't tell if you're talking about DS3, New Vegas, or NWN2 here.

Obviously he's talking about KoTOR 2.

 

[tuluse]

Dont be dumb Tuluse, those games sold well because they were good, not because they were aiming at any specific market. They literally created their market.

- PoE insteadof being designed for those people who crowdfunded it - as an evolution and improved version of IE games - was instead designed to satisfy two different types of players and thats why its failing to satisfy either.

PoE might be bad because it's targeted at all instead of focusing on making a good game in it's own right (I actually just argued this in shoutbox yesterday). However, I disagree that's aimed at some strange audience. It's aimed at fans of IE. It might have failed to get that target, but that's where they pointed the arrow.

 

[Athelas]

Clearly you can't expect the same from Sawyer&Obsidian, who've shipped 5+ games and worked on the sequel of one of the most popular Western RPGs of all time

I can't tell if you're talking about DS3, New Vegas, or NWN2 here.

5+ must mean all of them.

 

[Immortal]

I often respect your posts so I am gonna be as polite as possible

-snip-

It is true that PoE does not have turn-based combat; otherwise, it has included all the parts one could want: a rich, non-licensed setting; a complex character system with races, classes, skills, stats, talents, feats, etc; dialogue trees with skill-checks and other checks; tactical party-based combat with a large party; an "isometric" camera angle; painted environments; liberal use of text and text adventures; and at least some degree of exploration. Now, each of these parts may be withered or malformed in some way -- I haven't played the game for more than a tiny bit, so I can't say -- but the parts are there.

-snip-

Is anyone else noticing the pattern of people who rush to defend this game are also the people who played it the least or know the least about it. People are rationalizing why the -Theory- of PoE is amazing and awesome. Too bad, You missed your chance during the hype train of 2014.

The Game is out. It's a fucking stinker. Accept it and hope Obsidian pulls their shit together for PoE 2.. They made the money off the game so can we stop treading water for fear that if we call PoE what it is, Obsidian will never make RPG's again.

If we don't bitch, we won't get better games in the future.

I can't wait to hear VD's shill job of a review where everyone will brofist him into oblivion because it's VD.

Great Review Darth Roxor

Neverwinter Nights - it was a solid game.

So, it has come to this.

Main campaign was trash, but multiplier experience and custom campaigns were solid.

NWN and NWN2 are one of the best Games of our times.. and it had -nothing- to do with the campaigns that came with the game.. I am so happy I racked up the hours I did in those games before IGN pulled the NwnVault. You all missed out on some of the greatest incline ever if you didn't ever play custom mods or multiplayer role playing sessions with your friends.

 

[Rake]

It is true actually, despite seemingly being designed for people who liked IE games - it was actually designed for casuals and modern mass market drones, which is why it is designed in very mediocre and incoherent ways.

Baldur's Gate series were mass market games.

lul wut?

BG1 sold over a million copies. BG2 sold over 2 million. That's mass market for PC only in late 90s early 00s. Hell, that's mass market today.

Dont be dumb Tuluse, those games sold well because they were good, not because they were aiming at any specific market. They literally created their market.

- PoE insteadof being designed for those people who crowdfunded it - as an evolution and improved version of IE games - was instead designed to satisfy two different types of players and thats why its failing to satisfy either.

Also tuluse
While i agree with the sentiment, i'm not so sure that PoE target audience was the mass market. The audience Sawyer made the game for was the badgame/SA goons, which happen to share Sawyer's bad taste.
And some of them liked the IE games, dispite disliking D&D, mage duels,hard counters and everything that made the IE games good in the first place.
In a sense, i believe his target audience were people that played the IE games, liked them well enough, moved along and now happily play DA and Bethesda's offerings.

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

Obsidian would be much better off making Stick of Truth 2.

 

[Athelas]

The Game is out. It's a fucking stinker. Accept it and hope Obsidian pulls their shit together for PoE 2.. They made the money off the game so can we stop treading water for fear that if we call PoE what it is, Obsidian will never make RPG's again.

Uhm, the game is sitting at a 90 Metacritic score and has been released to near-universal critical acclaim. I'm pretty sure a Codex review is not going to make Feargus change course.

 

[hiver]

Dont be dumb Tuluse, those games sold well because they were good, not because they were aiming at any specific market. They literally created their market.

- PoE insteadof being designed for those people who crowdfunded it - as an evolution and improved version of IE games - was instead designed to satisfy two different types of players and thats why its failing to satisfy either.

PoE might be bad because it's targeted at all instead of focusing on making a good game in it's own right (I actually just argued this in shoutbox yesterday). However, I disagree that's aimed at some strange audience. It's aimed at fans of IE. It might have failed to get that target, but that's where they pointed the arrow.

If they aimed it at that audience they it would have been designed differently.

Obviously other considerations came into the picture. It may be that devs misjudged who the audience is and what they want - but that just comes down to aiming at a wrong target again.

- i doubt you can find a single real IE games fan who would refuse a better BG2.

And some of them liked the IE games, dispite disliking D&D, mage duels,hard counters and everything that made the IE games good in the first place.

I would let the god sort them out, kind of a thing to me.

 

[Immortal]

The Game is out. It's a fucking stinker. Accept it and hope Obsidian pulls their shit together for PoE 2.. They made the money off the game so can we stop treading water for fear that if we call PoE what it is, Obsidian will never make RPG's again.

Uhm, the game is sitting at a 90 Metacritic score and has been released to near-universal critical acclaim. I'm pretty sure a Codex review is not going to make Feargus change course.

Let me try again.. Dragon Age: Inquistion is a stinker

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/dragon-age-inquisition Oh wow it has a metacritic score of 85.. I guess I was wrong and it's actually amazing.

EDIT: My Point: He can change some core issues with the game without starting over on a new engine..?

 

[MRY]

people who rush to defend this game

Is "each of these parts may be withered or malformed" really rushing to defend the game?

If we don't bitch, we won't get better games in the future.

That is exactly what I said in the parts of my post that you snipped. :/

 

[Athelas]

The Game is out. It's a fucking stinker. Accept it and hope Obsidian pulls their shit together for PoE 2.. They made the money off the game so can we stop treading water for fear that if we call PoE what it is, Obsidian will never make RPG's again.

Uhm, the game is sitting at a 90 Metacritic score and has been released to near-universal critical acclaim. I'm pretty sure a Codex review is not going to make Feargus change course.

Let me try again.. Dragon Age: Inquistion is a stinker

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/dragon-age-inquisition Oh wow it has a metacritic score of 85.. I guess I was wrong and it's actually amazing.

You might want to actually read what I posted. Obviously Metacritic says nothing about the actual quality of the game. It is however something any dev will pay about a 1000x times more attention to than a Codex review.

 

[Lhynn]

I disagree that's aimed at some strange audience. It's aimed at fans of IE. It might have failed to get that target, but that's where they pointed the arrow.

Spoiler

 

[Immortal]

The Game is out. It's a fucking stinker. Accept it and hope Obsidian pulls their shit together for PoE 2.. They made the money off the game so can we stop treading water for fear that if we call PoE what it is, Obsidian will never make RPG's again.

Uhm, the game is sitting at a 90 Metacritic score and has been released to near-universal critical acclaim. I'm pretty sure a Codex review is not going to make Feargus change course.

Let me try again.. Dragon Age: Inquistion is a stinker

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/dragon-age-inquisition Oh wow it has a metacritic score of 85.. I guess I was wrong and it's actually amazing.

You might want to actually read what I posted. Obviously Metacritic says nothing about the actual quality of the game. It is however something any dev will pay about a 100x times more attention to than a Codex review.

So I can't say / hope for an outcome?

people who rush to defend this game

Is "each of these parts may be withered or malformed" really rushing to defend the game?

If we don't bitch, we won't get better games in the future.

That is exactly what I -snip- :/

Duh.. that's why I snipped it..

 

[Rake]

The Game is out. It's a fucking stinker. Accept it and hope Obsidian pulls their shit together for PoE 2.. They made the money off the game so can we stop treading water for fear that if we call PoE what it is, Obsidian will never make RPG's again.

Uhm, the game is sitting at a 90 Metacritic score and has been released to near-universal critical acclaim. I'm pretty sure a Codex review is not going to make Feargus change course.

While i don't hold any hope Obsidian will ever make a game with good gameplay, the fact that PoE isn't praised much about it's writing/narrative, not only on the Codex but in other forums as well there have been complaints, i want to believe they fix this issue in the rest of their games. Hire better writers and have Avellone make a game on his own ffs

 

[Athelas]

The Game is out. It's a fucking stinker. Accept it and hope Obsidian pulls their shit together for PoE 2.. They made the money off the game so can we stop treading water for fear that if we call PoE what it is, Obsidian will never make RPG's again.

Uhm, the game is sitting at a 90 Metacritic score and has been released to near-universal critical acclaim. I'm pretty sure a Codex review is not going to make Feargus change course.

Let me try again.. Dragon Age: Inquistion is a stinker

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/dragon-age-inquisition Oh wow it has a metacritic score of 85.. I guess I was wrong and it's actually amazing.

You might want to actually read what I posted. Obviously Metacritic says nothing about the actual quality of the game. It is however something any dev will pay about a 100x times more attention to than a Codex review.

So I can't say / hope for an outcome?

You said you expected they would never make RPG's again, which is a rather bizarre thing to say considering the game's reception. To be honest, I'd rather they start from scratch for the next game since the developers don't seem to like IE games very much.

 

[tuluse]

While i don't hold any hope Obsidian will ever make a game with good gameplay, the fact that PoE isn't praised much about it's writing/narrative, not only on the Codex but in other forums as well there have been complaints, i want to believe they fix this issue in the rest of their games. Hire better writers and have Avellone make a game on his own ffs

Fanstermaker did some of the best work in New Vegas.

 

[Volrath]

Maybe if they'll ever do a turn based pathfinder rpg...

 

[Immortal]

The Game is out. It's a fucking stinker. Accept it and hope Obsidian pulls their shit together for PoE 2.. They made the money off the game so can we stop treading water for fear that if we call PoE what it is, Obsidian will never make RPG's again.

Uhm, the game is sitting at a 90 Metacritic score and has been released to near-universal critical acclaim. I'm pretty sure a Codex review is not going to make Feargus change course.

Let me try again.. Dragon Age: Inquistion is a stinker

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/dragon-age-inquisition Oh wow it has a metacritic score of 85.. I guess I was wrong and it's actually amazing.

You might want to actually read what I posted. Obviously Metacritic says nothing about the actual quality of the game. It is however something any dev will pay about a 100x times more attention to than a Codex review.

So I can't say / hope for an outcome?

You said you expected they would never make RPG's again, which is a rather bizarre thing to say considering the game's reception. To be honest, I'd rather they start from scratch for the next game since the developers don't seem to like IE games very much.

No I didn't..?

I think people feel like criticizing PoE is like betraying Obsidian.. Their developers post here.. We have a long history with them as people and RPG makers.. It does nobody justice to fanboy splooge all over the place though.

I am not ignorant enough to think a forum post or a game review is going to change the world. I just hope that if we pick the most glaring issues and make enough of a shit storm about it.. Maybe something will improve in the long run.

 

[TheGreatOne]

..worked on the sequel of one of the most popular Western RPGs of all time

I can't tell if you're talking about DS3, New Vegas, or NWN2 here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallout_3#Sales
Getting to make a sequel to the biggest RPG amongst the dorito crowd (prior to Skyrim) is a pretty big thing, as was the South Park game (given how popular it was). DS3 and NWN2 are C+ players in comparison.