Revisiting VtM: Bloodlines

[Goral]

2 or 3 people

More like 5-7:

Spoiler

WTF would you do that? No wonder you cucks have problems with shit skins.

:facepalm:

Yep~ It's Wesp, alright~

Restored Created homosexual history for all clans

Because people were asking for it...

So, can we please have a vampire argonian and khajit as well? How about being a werewolf instead? Oh-oh, I know! I want to be KING OF THE WORLD!!!!

:D

If you can roll a faggot Kindred, I also want an option to join the Brotherhood of the Ninth Circle so I can help them spread AIDS to bums and hookers.

Vampires cannot have sex (they can fake it only) so how can there be homosexual vampires?

Didn't read what the drama is about,still:

 

[Delterius]

2 or 3 people

More like 5-7:

Spoiler

WTF would you do that? No wonder you cucks have problems with shit skins.

:facepalm:

Yep~ It's Wesp, alright~

Restored Created homosexual history for all clans

Because people were asking for it...

So, can we please have a vampire argonian and khajit as well? How about being a werewolf instead? Oh-oh, I know! I want to be KING OF THE WORLD!!!!

:D

If you can roll a faggot Kindred, I also want an option to join the Brotherhood of the Ninth Circle so I can help them spread AIDS to bums and hookers.

Vampires cannot have sex (they can fake it only) so how can there be homosexual vampires?

Didn't read what the drama is about,still:

A Tessera fanboy and a bunch of people who didn't play the game, apparently.

 

[gaussgunner]

Codex is famous again, this time they're talking about us on Planet Vampire :

What forum is this? Please tell me so i could avoid it.

Why not join it?

 

[Clockwork Knight]

Tessera's actions make sense if one assumes her to be a woman with a personality disorder. Or Wesp' ex-girlfriend.

Or "Tessera" is Wesp's alternate personality. Like Sheogorath/Jyggalag, but instead of being cursed to destroy and rebuild his own realm for eternity, he's sentenced to forever update his patch and shitpost about it later. And Tessera' s zealots are obsessed with keeping bug fixes and mods separate instead of order and chaos.

 

[Wesp5]

Or you know what, I'm not so sure they are unique. It's basically walking, talking on the phone, working on a computer and a pose.

Tessera is known to "exaggerate" , but I never decompiled a model, so I don't know. PakFileExplorer, the SDK Model Viewer and a quick look with a Hex Editor only show unique animations for specific Jeanette and Therese lines which are all in the game as far as I know. But common NPCs on the hubs use their cell phone and so does Wong Ho. Also Arthur Kilpatrick and Mitnick both use their computers. In fact it wouldn't be too difficult to place e.g. an "intersting_place" "phone_spot" in the sisters room to make them play this animation, but why stop there? Basically all Bloodlines NPC stand in one place and do nothing until the player talks to them. One could make all of them more dynamic...

 

[Lithium Flower]

Tessera's actions make sense if one assumes her to be a woman with a personality disorder. Or Wesp' ex-girlfriend.

You don't think the break up would've been amicable?

I do not believe a woman could ever exit a relationship with a man amicably.

Women are bitter, evil creatures. They suck the life out of men and are furious when the men finally say "enough, no more!" and break up with them, just like mommy was angry when she left dad.

I don't like women. They are awful and emotionally abusive. They don't date me...

 

[Zombra]

One could make all of them more dynamic...

All except Chunk. That guy couldn't get more dynamic.

 

[Old One]

Wesp should alter Chunk's computer screen in the tower so it looks like he's wasting time at work posting on the Codex.

 

[hello friend]

Or you know what, I'm not so sure they are unique. It's basically walking, talking on the phone, working on a computer and a pose.

Tessera is known to "exaggerate" , but I never decompiled a model, so I don't know. PakFileExplorer, the SDK Model Viewer and a quick look with a Hex Editor only show unique animations for specific Jeanette and Therese lines which are all in the game as far as I know. But common NPCs on the hubs use their cell phone and so does Wong Ho. Also Arthur Kilpatrick and Mitnick both use their computers. In fact it wouldn't be too difficult to place e.g. an "intersting_place" "phone_spot" in the sisters room to make them play this animation, but why stop there? Basically all Bloodlines NPC stand in one place and do nothing until the player talks to them. One could make all of them more dynamic...

Something for the next iteration of the plus patch, perhaps?

 

[Cael]

A Tessera fanboy and a bunch of people who didn't play the game, apparently.

Oh come now, you know you want a vampire furry. Just admit it.

 

[fantadomat]

Codex is famous again, this time they're talking about us on Planet Vampire :

What forum is this? Please tell me so i could avoid it.

Why not join it?

Did i become a CODEX shocktrooper by mistake?!

 

[Cael]

Did i become a CODEX shocktrooper by mistake?!

Let's see... SJW-esque, pro-homosexual heterosexual vampire lovers, probably sparkling edition.

Dude, you can glance in their direction and they will go to vapours...

So yes, you are a shocktrooper in their eyes, with emphasis on the word "shock".

 

[gaussgunner]

Did i become a CODEX shocktrooper by mistake?!

Nah, you're only in boot camp.

Anyways, anyone else ever notice that line to say you're a tranny? When you're a playing as female vamp and you're trying to seduce Ash's lookalike so he'll switch clothes with Ash. Save your game first, cause he's not into that.

 

[Lithium Flower]

Alright, I may have tried too hard with my latest shitpost. It was meant to be a dig at the /r/incel crowd, not my genuine opinion. M'ladies have nothing to fear from me tip tip.

Gausgunner's post actually reminded me of a point I forgot to make. People made a big deal out of finding examples of homovampires from the source material but in my opinion that is almost completely irrelevant. As far as I know, and I could be wrong about the specifics, tabletop RPGs had to censor themselves to sell on the shelves (or to appeal to a wider market? If anyone knows more about the history of censorship in TTRPGs feel free to correct me) I believe a bunch of monsters from D&D were renamed early on to be less "satanic" and there was the famous case of the censorship of daemonette's from W40k. It was expected that RPGs would forego sexually explicit themes and details apart from the occasional cheesecake cover art. Thus looking for explicit gay sex in the rulebooks is kind of pointless.

What is much more relevant, I think, is the context of the actual video game. As we all know (or maybe I say that as some people in this thread really make me wonder if they've played the game) Bloodlines is set in 21st century of Los Angeles. We've got stereotypes like surfers, wannabee celebs, pretentious douchebags who live in the Hollywood Hills, sleazy porn producers, etc. Against this backdrop, the presence of a few homosexual characters, including (optionally, for crying out loud) the protagonist is hardly surprising.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Y'know, while we're here, are there any good games about hunting vampires down?

 

[Cael]

Alright, I may have tried too hard with my latest shitpost. It was meant to be a dig at the /r/incel crowd, not my genuine opinion. M'ladies have nothing to fear from me tip tip.

Gausgunner's post actually reminded me of a point I forgot to make. People made a big deal out of finding examples of homovampires from the source material but in my opinion that is almost completely irrelevant. As far as I know, and I could be wrong about the specifics, tabletop RPGs had to censor themselves to sell on the shelves (or to appeal to a wider market? If anyone knows more about the history of censorship in TTRPGs feel free to correct me) I believe a bunch of monsters from D&D were renamed early on to be less "satanic" and there was the famous case of the censorship of daemonette's from W40k. It was expected that RPGs would forego sexually explicit themes and details apart from the occasional cheesecake cover art. Thus looking for explicit gay sex in the rulebooks is kind of pointless.

What is much more relevant, I think, is the context of the actual video game. As we all know (or maybe I say that as some people in this thread really make me wonder if they've played the game) Bloodlines is set in 21st century of Los Angeles. We've got stereotypes like surfers, wannabee celebs, pretentious douchebags who live in the Hollywood Hills, sleazy porn producers, etc. Against this backdrop, the presence of a few homosexual characters, including (optionally, for crying out loud) the protagonist is hardly surprising.

People made a big deal out of it because their opposite made the claim that it was in the source material, which is patently ridiculous. Rule books don't mention it simply because it is not relevant to the RULES. Being a homosexual doesn't give you bonus or penalties to gameplay. For some moron to create wholesale some mythical scenario to bolster their argument is what set most of the people off in the first place.

As I have said many times, few people give a flying rat's arse if you are a transexual lesbian furry lizard in love with a castrated male miniature giant space hamster. Shouting at others demanding respeckt for being one and going around pushing it into people's faces? THAT would cause a reaction, and the saddest part is that those who DO do the pushing are usually not part of the alphabet soup brigade in the first place. They are just sad, basement dwelling, socially maladjusted trolls jumping on the pro-homosexual bandwagon in order to get their 15 seconds of fame in a "Look at moi! Look at moi!" orgy of media coverage. And when they have had their 15 seconds of fame, and walked away satisfied that they have done their "duty for social justice" for the day, it is the poor homosexuals who have to pick up the pieces and cop the backlash caused by the bloody SJW trolls.

The D&D thing was a result of one female who could not accept the fact that her manchild killed himself and so sought something to blame. D&D copped it because the manchild was interested in it before he went to play in traffic. As a result, Gygax changed the names of several things and avoided mention of any real world stuff. Demons became Tanarri, Devils became Baatezu, Nirvana became Mechanus, things like that.

 

[gaussgunner]

So, yes, providing the shortcut is very much appreciated, but you might want to make it a bit more obvious.

It's a submarine door build into the floor of the first sewer map in an area you need to go through. But it seems to me you accidentally left the sewers early and then didn't find the way back in...

Allright, I just got to the sewers tonight and I can't find the trapdoor either.
You mean the "Warrens 1" map, right?
Before you turn the emergency valve and get flushed down to Warrens 2?
Is it on the steel grate flooring? Under water? In a side tunnel?

EDIT: Just realized I need the dbghelp fix for WINE. I wonder if that's the problem. I don't think so but just maybe? (If I load a savegame from Downtown I see new stuff like the security guard in Skyeline Apts, and Heather's finally in my apt. But if I load my savegame from King's Way and go into the sewers, I still don't see that trapdoor.)

WINEDLLOVERRIDES="dbghelp=n" wine vampire.exe -game Unofficial_Patch

^^Important tip for Linux/WINE users who think they don't need anything in SCO's overcomplicated linux_loader script. You need that ONE thing.

 

[laclongquan]

Ok, now that I'm finished I must say, the True Patch left me rather disappointed. I expected two things: a mostly bug-free experience, and an otherwise unaltered version of the game. I got neither. To be fair, it's possible that I just got unlucky and that I could have encountered many of the same bugs with the Unofficial Patch also. I know the UP isn't exactly bug-free either, but I had never had this many issues in one playthrough. I already mentioned the "no hands" bug that wouldn't let me fight unarmed. Other issues include: Getting stuck in doors and being forced to load a save (the door wouldn't trigger the mapload). Graphical issues, holes in models, missing textures, ugly cubemaps (not a bug, but looks unfinished). Sound effects glitching out or not playing at all (ruined the Hotel). Missing NPC chatter. Music in Hollywood hub not playing properly. That door from "The Tape" didn't open, the girl just clipped through. Physics objects bouncing around at the start of a map. On some occasions the game displayed normal dialogue options instead of Malkavian. And typos, grammatical errors, several instances of your/you're... I don't know what the TP considers a bug. Most of this isn't game-breaking. But would it hurt to correct a typo?

I'm wondering because the TP doesn't shy away from adding new content either, like the new animations for Therese and Jeanette. After you talk to either of the sisters upstairs they will randomly walk around, take phone calls, work on their laptop, etc.

Spoiler

Why is this an exception? Don't get me wrong, I thought they were a nice addition. It's just something I would expect from the Plus Patch, not the True Patch. According to the patch notes these animations were found in the model files after they were decompiled or something, they just weren't used in vanilla. Maybe they weren't intended to be used? The notes are vague on this, so who knows? I could imagine a number puristic arguments against this if this were the UP. The point is, I'm having a hard time believing that a complex and hidden set of animations not being triggered is considered a bug that needed to be "fixed", but obvious typos and grammatical errors in dialogue text aren't. What's the difference between this and other restored content in the UP+? And why isn't this in the UP+, Wesp5?

Btw, what's up with Tessera? It's like every txt file has to contain a cheap jab at a certain patch which shall not be named. Visit Tessera's forum for technical support, and you'll find every other post of him flavored with childish insults aimed at Wesp. There is even one modded into the game. Wespoop? I don't know what exactly happened between the two or who stole what or who started it. All I know is that it is embarrassing, and it can be really confusing for new players who just want to play a vanilla version of the game with as few bugs as possible. As I see it, the True Patch and the Basic Unofficial Patch should have been one and the same. Why aren't they? This is just sad.

Overall, the UP delivers a smoother experience (including the setup), and if you wanted to play a truly unaltered version of the game you'd technically have to go with the official 1.2/Legacy version.

And Wesp, did you lower the music volume in the latest patch?

Now there're three responses from me to choose:

1. You fail to install TP correctly. It's vanilla install then TP. Nowadays, if people are not careful they would get a UP-ed version of the game, like GOG? Or Steam? I dont remember which it is. I still keep the CD version of the game so it's a nonissue for me but unwary player may get ambushed that way. And True Patch vehemently doesnt work with UP. Please check your fucking install directory to see if it's really vanilla, or it's a version with UP "helpfully" already in.

2. You are plainly and frankly lying about your TP experience.

3. Dignified silence

Can you guess which version would I use? Remember, people know me for being a generally helpful and positive kind of guy.

 

[Harg Harfardarssen]

Tessera's actions make sense if one assumes her to be a woman with a personality disorder. Or Wesp' ex-girlfriend.

Or "Tessera" is Wesp's alternate personality. Like Sheogorath/Jyggalag, but instead of being cursed to destroy and rebuild his own realm for eternity, he's sentenced to forever update his patch and shitpost about it later. And Tessera' s zealots are obsessed with keeping bug fixes and mods separate instead of order and chaos.

Just out of curiousity, why not go with the Jeannette/Therese comparison? Too close to the topic at hand? It seems like Tessera is very much like Jeannette - an unstable personality trying to convince the PC (i.e. the public) to help in his/her quest to destroy her social norm-abiding counterpart, Therese/Wesp.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

You don't joke about a man's waifu.

still, the image of them fused together sounds like what would happen if Wesp and Tessera made up and joined their patches into one monstrosity.

 

[Cael]

You don't joke about a man's waifu.

still, the image of them fused together sounds like what would happen if Wesp and Tessera made up and joined their patches into one monstrosity.

 

[Jason Liang]

Y'know, while we're here, are there any good games about hunting vampires down?

 

[HansDampf]

Or you know what, I'm not so sure they are unique. It's basically walking, talking on the phone, working on a computer and a pose.

Tessera is known to "exaggerate" , but I never decompiled a model, so I don't know. PakFileExplorer, the SDK Model Viewer and a quick look with a Hex Editor only show unique animations for specific Jeanette and Therese lines which are all in the game as far as I know. But common NPCs on the hubs use their cell phone and so does Wong Ho. Also Arthur Kilpatrick and Mitnick both use their computers. In fact it wouldn't be too difficult to place e.g. an "intersting_place" "phone_spot" in the sisters room to make them play this animation, but why stop there? Basically all Bloodlines NPC stand in one place and do nothing until the player talks to them. One could make all of them more dynamic...

Are you saying he is lying? That he made it all up so he could hack some extra animations into his waifus under the pretense of merely restoring content? Just asking what you mean by "exaggerate"...

Now there're three responses from me to choose:

1. You fail to install TP correctly. It's vanilla install then TP. Nowadays, if people are not careful they would get a UP-ed version of the game, like GOG? Or Steam? I dont remember which it is. I still keep the CD version of the game so it's a nonissue for me but unwary player may get ambushed that way. And True Patch vehemently doesnt work with UP. Please check your fucking install directory to see if it's really vanilla, or it's a version with UP "helpfully" already in.

2. You are plainly and frankly lying about your TP experience.

3. Dignified silence

Can you guess which version would I use? Remember, people know me for being a generally helpful and positive kind of guy.

I only own the GOG version and I won't pay extra $$$ for a random chance of possibly having a smoother setup of some patch/mod. If the patch doesn't support the GOG version, that's its fault, not mine. I used a guide from the GOG forums with a program that's supposed to downgrade it to the (unmodded) retail version, then I installed the True Patch. I've read all the instructions in the txt files and on Tessera's forum carefully and double checked everything. Meanwhile, the Unofficial Patch comes with an easy installer and supports every version. Funny how that works.

And why would I lie? I'm also not happy with some of Wesp's changes, or to put it more accurately, I sometimes wonder why he changes some minor detail for seemingly no reason. But all the TP did was make me appreciate the UP even more. Many of the issues I've mentioned can be seen directly in the asset files from the TP like the errors in dialogue text. I could edit the dlg files myself. That has nothing to do with a failed installation. And even if some of the bugs have been caused by me using a downgraded GOG version, see above. I've spent way too much time with this. If the TP works for you and others, cool. I won't use it again.

 

[Goral]

FYI I've quoted your post on Tessera forum asking for his comment but (s)he deleted it and my account too.

 

[Delterius]

A Tessera fanboy and a bunch of people who didn't play the game, apparently.

Oh come now, you know you want a vampire furry. Just admit it.

What's next on the good fight? Wandering into a Werewolf thread and complaining about the Furry Agenda?

Now there're three responses from me to choose:

Interesting, so is that the protocol Tessera handed you guys? That is, before forbidding you and the world from ever using the patch he didn't code, of course.

Tessera's actions make sense if one assumes her to be a woman with a personality disorder. Or Wesp' ex-girlfriend.

Or "Tessera" is Wesp's alternate personality. Like Sheogorath/Jyggalag, but instead of being cursed to destroy and rebuild his own realm for eternity, he's sentenced to forever update his patch and shitpost about it later. And Tessera' s zealots are obsessed with keeping bug fixes and mods separate instead of order and chaos.

You foolish fool. Tessera is an aspect of Chefe: the many faced entity.

I'll never forget the 'Mage Union' of whiny multiple personalities Tessera created on the WoW forums. Funny shit right there.

What is much more relevant, I think, is the context of the actual video game. As we all know (or maybe I say that as some people in this thread really make me wonder if they've played the game) Bloodlines is set in 21st century of Los Angeles. We've got stereotypes like surfers, wannabee celebs, pretentious douchebags who live in the Hollywood Hills, sleazy porn producers, etc. Against this backdrop, the presence of a few homosexual characters, including (optionally, for crying out loud) the protagonist is hardly surprising.

Yes, you can already act like a flaming gay man in Bloodlines.