Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Game of the Year Edition

[Desiderius]

I'll sleep on animal focus because +2/4/6 strength to just a pet is obviously worse than +2/4/6/8/10 AB and Damage to you and your pet (on a class with naturally better BAB, to boot).

It's always on for pet at lvl one. I've mostly played Leopard where the DEX one is really nice. I focus more on AC and Saves and let the damage take care of itself. Once Enhancement bonuses are widely available you can switch to the Skill boosting ones.

So in summary, the actual advantage Hunter has over Demonslayer is Faerie fire.

Never played Demonslayer. Other Rangers are better. Hasn't base game fixed Favored Enemy Outsider yet?

Favored Enema is great, no argument. Hunter has Swift Instant where needed.

Played a ton of Hunter in CotW where the class is correctly implemented (ranged TW and Precise Companion) and added unique capabilties. Wrath implementation makes me sad but still has its advantages. Spell utility early where its most needed and offense is fine by midgame.

I see I'm incorrect because I failed to take into account feats that don't actually exist in the game. Makes sense.

Again my TTT bias enters in here, but base game has:

Outflank, Shake it Off, Tandem Trip, Back to Back, and Seize the Moment (doesn't require Flanking vs foes with Improved Uncanny)

Back to Back has an item that boosts it to +4.

Shield Wall is solid but obv not with a Pet. Allied Spellcaster probably worth it with a Magus in team (version I'm playing also boosts Concentration, not sure if it's in base game).

Are there six good ones? Probably not, but most of the game is played before you have six. I'll admit to favoring Hunter classes that trade them away lol.

 

[Desiderius]

Saves, what are they good for?



Minagho/Staunton fight on Hard. Note that Ember failed the save, but she's an Elf so Immune to Sleep!

Hard Blightmaw:



Daeran is lvl 10 Mantis Zealot, Lann Kinetic Sharpshooter.

Lann has (TTT) Mythic Shatter Defenses (applies to whole team). Inciter Aru got him Intimidated with help from scaling Intimidate bonus from Serpent's Tongue ability. I think that even though Lann failed to penetrate the SR that the hit (vs Touch) still counted and Shattered Defenses. Corruptor Mythic + Spit Venom applying no save Blind vs Touch can do the same thing. Spit Venom ignores SR. Can be Extended for two round Blind.

And yes, Hunter gets Spit Venom while Ranger doesn't. Also has Death Ward and the higher lvl Nature's Ally Summons (the good ones) even if you don't want to mess with beating Saves. Eventually gets the Mass Stat boosts to free up slots for casters.

 

[Jermu]

Happy pride month everyone

 

[Diggfinger]

Gents,
Path of the Righteous Mythic Edition -70% right now on GOG (26 Euro-bucks)
Yay or nay...?

Includes all (or at least 3?) DLCs...

Kindda into simpler/shorter games atm but this looks sweeet.
Find it more appealing than the Divinity games

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

Good deal I guess, but DLCs are mostly not worth it anyway.

 

[cretin]

Happy pride month everyone

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Gays online:

Gays irl: ... I went for a piss and there was a guy staring at me so I sucked his cock in the stall and then he blasted my ass and left without saying a word. Should I get STD test??

 

[Desiderius]

Echolocation appears to not be giving (Nabasu) gaze immunity. Is this WAI? Would have liked to have it for Lost Chapel Concealment.

 

[Anonymous Ranger]

so, how is the new DLC content?

I like it so far not done with it yet. It's just more combat and a lot more companion dialog. If you don't care for any of the companions I would say it's probably skippable.

 

[GloomFrost]

Gents,
Path of the Righteous Mythic Edition -70% right now on GOG (26 Euro-bucks)
Yay or nay...?

Includes all (or at least 3?) DLCs...

Kindda into simpler/shorter games atm but this looks sweeet.
Find it more appealing than the Divinity games

Absolute unconditional YAY!! Probably THE best party based cRPG of this decade. Basically Owlcat is what old Obsidian used to be. The creators of rough, unpolished timeless classics.

 

[Desiderius]

Some interesting new items as well.

 

[Jermu]

are any of em same tier shit like this

about the most retarded item I have ever seen in any game

 

[Desiderius]

They’re trolling the raid gearers.

No the early mid stuff is much more interesting. Goggles that give immunity to flanking (where you get got in melee if you do), Mask that gives +2 Enchantment DC (huge to make non-MC control viable), Belt with +2 nat AC (stacks with Barkskin) and +4 Mobility. I’m always a little short because I keep best available weapon/Armor of each type even if not using in case of respec/or a change in team line-up.

And of course several Sawtooth Sabers and other weapon buildarounds. Money is an issue if you skip the ship so some nice tradeoffs.

 

[Average Manatee]

are any of em same tier shit like this

about the most retarded item I have ever seen in any game

You know an item is busted when the devs have to break down the list of bonuses into a bullet point format.

The most gamechanging item I can recall from the DLC is the one that lets you hit swarms normally. You can get two of them before the Vescavor area in chapter 2 which pretty well trivializes what is probably the biggest roadblock for most players.

 

[Desiderius]

are any of em same tier shit like this

about the most retarded item I have ever seen in any game

You know an item is busted when the devs have to break down the list of bonuses into a bullet point format.

The most gamechanging item I can recall from the DLC is the one that lets you hit swarms normally. You can get two of them before the Vescavor area in chapter 2 which pretty well trivializes what is probably the biggest roadblock for most players.

The second one is locked behind the vescavors in Ulbrig's area IIRC.

There have always been ways to deal with Swarms but they come up so infrequently I always forget what they are. Helps to discover that Prot Arrows prevents damage. Not sure if Stoneskin does. If you've got ways to damage them they could always be healed through.

 

[Desiderius]

Made Greybor a Tandem Executioner Hunter Riding a Boar and it is *awesome*. The Working in Tandem ability only triggers sometimes on the Boar, not sure why, but it shares Studied Target bonuses.

BTW, Animal Focus is now an *inherent* Bonus, so it stacks with Enhancement and ticks up to +4 at lvl 8. The skill ones go up +4/+6, and it can give Evasion/Improved Evasion or boost Speed if you want.

Game is really fun in the midlevels on Hard.

 

[Daidre]

Well, I must say, I have run a shit ton of characters through chapter 1 and 2 solo on Hard (some on Unfair), and Hunter with his dog was one of the strongest - only thing close in performance was nature Oracle for later Angel merge.
Recently, I have played variants of Tandem Executioner and Urban Hunter (full runs in rogue-like mode, Azata) with hippogriff pet (1 lvl Ranger dip) and both were absolutely amazing - with 2-handed Estocs, to take advantage of Light Armour Mythic Focus.

 

[Desiderius]

Here's an idea of what I'm doing on Hard. For Unfair I'd use a Tank with Defensive maluses to attack (Tower/Fighting Defensively)/Mythics to draw (most) aggro but after than general approach is similar.



Sable Company Hippogriff is the first to hit 50AC. Mantis Zealot took Extended Blessing Mythic (TTT) to double duration of Blessing Against Chaos to two rounds. Swift AoE. Ember makes a good (Reanimator) Alchemist passing around the Shield Bonuses.



Inciter Insult draws a decent amount of attention. Archon's landed due to having three up, Insult was probably 50/50 here. Displacement on top of Mirror Image since she doesn't have any defensive abilities. Focusing on spellcasting with mixed results. Touch of Gracelessness sometimes doesn't do anything for whatever reason. Her Enchantment DCs are up to mid/high 20s. She does decent damage on attacks but Spells seem better Standard Action than single attacks and she has Mythic Dazzling that hits pretty well with Move Action and Move Action Incite Rage etc.



Mantis Zealot also has no Defensive Feats to focus on killing things to trigger Deadly Fascination. Can see the inherent 30% Concealment from Fading ability helping out here. He got hit a couple times on previous fight but forgot to heal up rushing into this one before Red Shroud expired. Duration is solely dependent on DEX-bonus, not lvls.



This is about the highest Will Save so far outside of bosses. Mobs usually pick up some maluses before it triggers so pretty reliable effect even on Hard. Should be decent passive CC even on Unfair for a party without dedicated caster.



Indomitable Mount really a big quality of life improver to avoid random effects flying the Battlefield. I think this is the Slow Breath from the Drakes. Doesn't have skill focus Mobility yet.



Tandem Executioner Greyboar's Mount going off. Can see Working in Tandem stacking with Bracers of Rough Landing and sharing Studied Target bonus. Pack Flanking (TTT) only available to Hunter (or via Tactician), otherwise have to actually be flanking (on opposite side of an ally) in TTT. TTT also doesn't give full attack to rider after Mount move/Charge unless you get Trick Riding (two uses of Mobility checks to avoid a hit) and then Mounted Skirmisher Feats. The Druchite Urgrosh for some reason isn't a Double Weapon so will need to use Finnean until finding one.



Nice thing about AoE AC bonuses is that you can be a little freer with the squishies without getting punished too hard. Viglance is alternative Elf background trading in Elven Magic and Keen Senses I think for +2 AC vs Demons.

 

[Desiderius]

Update:

TTT straight-up nerfed Deadly Fascination on Mantis Zealot lol

Also the Fused spell DCs were not calculating correctly, now fixed. Makes sense since otherwise School FEats would do nothing on Fused Spells. Interesting! Will test in caster run to follow.

 

[Mauman]

Update:

TTT straight-up nerfed Deadly Fascination on Mantis Zealot lol

Also the Fused spell DCs were not calculating correctly, now fixed. Makes sense since otherwise School FEats would do nothing on Fused Spells. Interesting! Will test in caster run to follow.

Speaking of TTT and Mantis Zealot, do they remove the finesse affix for the sabers? Because that was very much an Owlcat thing.

 

[Desiderius]

Update:

TTT straight-up nerfed Deadly Fascination on Mantis Zealot lol

Also the Fused spell DCs were not calculating correctly, now fixed. Makes sense since otherwise School FEats would do nothing on Fused Spells. Interesting! Will test in caster run to follow.

Speaking of TTT and Mantis Zealot, do they remove the finesse affix for the sabers? Because that was very much an Owlcat thing.

Interesting. Warpriest spells and growing damage dice work better with STR-based, although it doesn't get Frightful Aspect. Guess you could go for STR and DEX. Abilities use DEX.

 

[Nerevar]

So Gryphon is the new best pet? I thought the new dog bonus was pretty good.

Also base skald should be Inciter from now on? I need to reinstall updated toybox and do a little bit of testing I feel as if I've made a few mistakes relying on my past game knowledge.

 

[Desiderius]

They make the uber items to troll this kind of thinking. Same with the Ulbrig Crusade troops.

Inciter isn't quite strictly better like that but it's close. Vek just nerfed the shit out of one of Mantis Zealot's main abilities lol.

The one weird tricks aren't very weird anymore, Tier-rankers get participation trophies. More fun to mix and match. Boar slays and Ferocity prevents unforeseen dismounts, Lizard can Grapple, they all do fun stuff.

 

[Desiderius]

Soyer gets a bad rap about just nerfing everything to shit but Deadfire has a lot of play to it too.

Owlcat gives the Fextratards their "SS-tier!" shit but likewise there are a lot of nontrivial ways to attack the game thru party comp if you just don't use those, don't go to the ship, etc...

OC does do a good job I think reserving most of that stuff to the later parts of the game so even the leetdorks do have to develop some level of competence to get there. Just not enough to avoid some obvious pitfalls. Half the stuff they think is broken isn't even particularly good.

To each his own I guess.

 

[Dishonoredbr]

So Gryphon is the new best pet? I thought the new dog bonus was pretty good.

I would say Dog > Wolf > HippoGriffin > Leopard > the rest

 

[Desiderius]

Leopard tanks from lvl one but makes awkward Mount. Hippo has literal 100 ft range without even needing LoS but needs some help with the stats. Elk and Boar are Wrecking balls and Boar Ferocity prevents half the things that can bring up Load Save out of nowhere.

Just stop with the rankings. They’re ghey.