Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Game of the Year Edition

[Correct_Carlo]

OK, take that back, Threshold is absolutely the worst dungeon in this game. It's like 4 or 5 boss-level trashmobs of demons that you have to do in a row without the ability to rest, and each mob is harder than any of the previous bosses I've faced in the game by a mile.

I crawled to Vile Devastater, and I've even taken him down on my second try, but I'm raped by the locust things after as my party is all out of spells and buffs and I obviously didn't prepare going in. Honestly, I'm dreading it, but I might need to redo the whole level. chapter 5 was so easy that I thought I could bring whoever I wanted for funsies, but I have Nenio, Demon Archer Lady (forget her name), Soseil, Ulbriq, Seelah, and my mc Demonslayer. Might need a few more Guarded Hearths. Either that, or rerun the level and not let Soseil die as the monsters are easy to kite back to a single guarded hearth, but I stupidly let Soseil die as I thought, "there couldn't possibly be 3 more massive mobs with no rest, right?"

Honestly, I was really loving this game, but Owlcat seemingly has to shit the bed on the landing. This shit's just annoying. I do have about 2.5 million dollars, though, if anyone wants to recommend a few mercs.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

Some of the most annoying fights involved those assasin-type demons with pitchfork weapon, they just go balls deep on my MC every time.

Especially the Infiltrators.
Why yes, teleport from out of line of sight and one turn kill Ember, sure why not. That's not some bullshit at all.
Its bad enough that Babaus have stupidly high sneak that allows them to be undetected, even with See Invisibility active (unless the game just spawns them in with scripted nonsense, like Midnight fane), but did they have to teleport as well?

Ember shouldn't be that close to the front line.

Do you know how to configure your formation?

She was right at the back. She was no where near the front line.
Oddly enough, if Seelah is in the party they'll go for her instead unless Ember is closer, so I guess the AI factors in alignments?

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

I think you're making a mistake by looking for some logic behind it. The game just spazzes out like with many other aspects, I had the thing where everyone suddenly just ganged on Ember completely disregarding AOOs etc as well.

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

It's a pain in the ass when it randomly happens in a fight which is still easily winnable, but I had to reload to avoid using a scroll. It's like, why are you wasting my time, game.

 

[Yosharian]

Just get Last Stand on everyone and you're good to go

 

[Delterius]

And we use the Mythic Trick: Persuasion to tell you that this week will go awesome!

what a weird way to tell us to kill ourselves

 

[Average Manatee]

Just get Last Stand on everyone and you're good to go

I do quite hate how much of an easy fall back last stand is. But it works so well...

 

[Barbarian]

I have finally been playing this.

I tried it a while ago but got bored. Also annoyed at the orc bulldyke paladin(I'm told you can kill/get rid of her eventually).

This isn't a bad game but it is incredibly more woke than Kingmaker. It suffers more intensely of the horrible trope which I call "goodness is faggotry". It seems most every character of the good alignment is some sort of annoying diverse gender bending rainbow figure or gurl power feminist activist. The fag black cleric of shelyn and the orc lesbian couple the most significant. Makes the lawful good side insufferable - as much as the "canonical" good party in Kingmaker with the orc and elven couple in open relationship, ssslay queen barbarian girl with gigantic sword and simp bissexual cleric who is actually a spy of the evil nymph.

As in Kingmaker playing evil or neutral is the only way to make the story side tolerable. Except this time even the neutral and evil characters are faggots. Oh well, guess a mostly player created characters party and get the annoying green dyke dead?

I hope they tone it down for warhammer, otherwise embracing chaos will be the way.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

Yeah, it is a bit woke.
The only straight woman companion is a half-elf degenerate who is very unsubtle about her hobbies.
Greybor and Regil are alright though, even though they are kind of dickish, and we do have Daeran who's evil and polysexual, so its not as if everyone who's not straight is a villain.
On the flip side, the good guys are also absolute idiots. Spending time dealing with the Crusader high command will allow you to understand why they've been getting their arses beat. Especially after Act 3.

I dunno if its Owlcat to blame, or Paizo, because like WoTC they do seem to be pretty woke.

 

[Barbarian]

I'm going demon then legend as someone suggested to me.

Apparently those are the only mythic paths you can play without being so overwhelmed with faggotry that you risk getting aids through your computer screen.

 

[Desiderius]

It's a pain in the ass when it randomly happens in a fight which is still easily winnable, but I had to reload to avoid using a scroll. It's like, why are you wasting my time, game.

To get you to play better. Playing better is fun.

 

[Desiderius]

I think you're making a mistake by looking for some logic behind it. The game just spazzes out like with many other aspects, I had the thing where everyone suddenly just ganged on Ember completely disregarding AOOs etc as well.

Your free AoOs didn't kill them? You aren't using Difficult Terrain or control spells? They can only attack stuff they see - do you use Stealth at all? Invis?

There's a game here to play when you decide to.

if Seelah is in the party they'll go for her instead unless Ember is closer, so I guess the AI factors in alignments?

I noticed that often when I played her as a tank, but I figured it was because she was the only one I let them see at first. But they did tend to stay on her even after the rest of the party had joined the fray.

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

For someone who does so much posturing you have surprising problems with basic logic. I won't be using invisibility on character that shouldn't need it just so that the game becomes not broken and not absurdly easy since enemies can't stop constantly suiciding themselves.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

I think you're making a mistake by looking for some logic behind it. The game just spazzes out like with many other aspects, I had the thing where everyone suddenly just ganged on Ember completely disregarding AOOs etc as well.

Your free AoOs didn't kill them? You aren't using Difficult Terrain or control spells? They can only attack stuff they see - do you use Stealth at all? Invis?

There's a game here to play when you decide to.

if Seelah is in the party they'll go for her instead unless Ember is closer, so I guess the AI factors in alignments?

I noticed that often when I played her as a tank, but I figured it was because she was the only one I let them see at first. But they did tend to stay on her even after the rest of the party had joined the fray.

I've seen it happen during gank events where they just teleport dudes around your party. If Seelah is present and closer to them than Ember they will go after Seelah, even if Woljif and my mounted MC is closer.
Which is fine, because she's a tank with last stand and I'd rather they beat her up than Ember.

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

It's obviously not an intended behaviour and it completely bricked last attempted playthrough for me in tandem with another bug (which can turn some characters immortal).

But I'm waiting for posts about "opportunity cost" of constantly casting spells that you shouldn't need just so that you can stop the game from completely shitting itself and only becoming ridiculously easy, instead.

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

Last Stand obviously helps and you can also exploit this behavior by running every party with a dude built for standing in the middle and doing bigass AAOs, but using broken shit to fix other broken shit is not my idea of healthy gameplay.

 

[Cpt. Dallas]

Is the Mephistopheles fight supposed to be winnable at all? I'm thinking it's level scaled. 20 summons identical to MC level 20/6M. If I buff/summon before then his alpha strike is 4x as damaging and almost entire party goes down immediately. If I don't it's more drawn out but by the time the simultaneous firestorm/sirocco hits I'm done. And of course the layout is a cutscene so no character placement.
Edit: and 148 total hellfire rays in one action for 38-64 dam each.

 

[Desiderius]

For someone who does so much posturing you have surprising problems with basic logic. I won't be using invisibility on character that shouldn't need it just so that the game becomes not broken and not absurdly easy since enemies can't stop constantly suiciding themselves.

It isn't a posture. I don't use Invis on Ember because I don't remember the last time she got attacked, but if for some reason I were having that issue it's one thing I'd try.

Mommy, mommy, they're attacking my squishy casters, make them stop, it's illogical! It's not illogical, I spend half my time talking about how to take out casters *because they're dangerous* and I make them a priority if I see them too.

Stop getting games nerfed because you're too lazy to play them. You're fucking it up for everyone else.

 

[Desiderius]

Is the Mephistopheles fight supposed to be winnable at all? I'm thinking it's level scaled. 20 summons identical to MC level 20/6M. If I buff/summon before then his alpha strike is 4x as damaging and almost entire party goes down immediately. If I don't it's more drawn out but by the time the simultaneous firestorm/sirocco hits I'm done. And of course the layout is a cutscene so no character placement.
Edit: and 148 total hellfire rays in one action for 38-64 dam each.

I think that happens if you go to the wrong location first? He'll ambush you if you try to go to Kenabres without him (welching on his deal) but not if you honor the agreement to meet him first. Devil thing.

Could be wrong because I did get ambushed and he wiped me because I didn't have Last Stand. That's the one place in the game where I'd say it's definitely worth it if you're playing tinman (minimal reloads) but again as with about everything else there are ways around it. After reload thankfully he did waste his time casting Sirocco and got ganked but first time he used real nukes.

 

[Yosharian]

Is the Mephistopheles fight supposed to be winnable at all? I'm thinking it's level scaled. 20 summons identical to MC level 20/6M. If I buff/summon before then his alpha strike is 4x as damaging and almost entire party goes down immediately. If I don't it's more drawn out but by the time the simultaneous firestorm/sirocco hits I'm done. And of course the layout is a cutscene so no character placement.
Edit: and 148 total hellfire rays in one action for 38-64 dam each.

Yes, it's quite winnable

 

[Cpt. Dallas]

Is the Mephistopheles fight supposed to be winnable at all? I'm thinking it's level scaled. 20 summons identical to MC level 20/6M. If I buff/summon before then his alpha strike is 4x as damaging and almost entire party goes down immediately. If I don't it's more drawn out but by the time the simultaneous firestorm/sirocco hits I'm done. And of course the layout is a cutscene so no character placement.
Edit: and 148 total hellfire rays in one action for 38-64 dam each.

I think that happens if you go to the wrong location first? He'll ambush you if you try to go to Kenabres without him (welching on his deal) but not if you honor the agreement to meet him first. Devil thing.

Could be wrong because I did get ambushed and he wiped me because I didn't have Last Stand. That's the one place in the game where I'd say it's definitely worth it if you're playing tinman (minimal reloads) but again as with about everything else there are ways around it. After reload thankfully he did waste his time casting Sirocco and got ganked but first time he used real nukes.

This is an azata run ('daring' difficulty) after the dragon rescue quest in the fleshmarkets. I tried before Iz and then again after. I had PCs running hither and yon and he had nearly whole damn azata island covered in lava and sirrocos. It looks like the hellfire rays are keyed to Last Stand, with the # fired going up when it triggers.

Edit: 'Wind of Change' is the Azata 'level 9' Mythic challenge. That explains that.

 

[Yosharian]

Azata, hmm. What's your build?

 

[Desiderius]

This is Unfair stats:



He's has Ascendant Element Fire:



Polar Ray works, although you can probably get more out of yours (Nenio is primarily an Illusionist):



Can also see Sosiel with Dispel, Greater in that pic. Aeon takes care of most of that itself:



I think those packets have been fixed.



Rest of team chipping in. That -16 AC debuff on Seelah's attack is from Divine Weapon Bond Brilliant Energy. Much better in Wrath than it was in P:K. Ranging Shots Mythic doesn't tick down on hits in TTT.

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

Mommy, mommy, they're attacking my squishy casters, make them stop, it's illogical! It's not illogical, I spend half my time talking about how to take out casters *because they're dangerous* and I make them a priority if I see them too.

Stop getting games nerfed because you're too lazy to play them. You're fucking it up for everyone else.

What are you even talking about?

It's not illogical and it's not about casters or any other class specifically. It's a bug or, even worse, shitty programming that, depending on persistence, can fuck up a game for you. Which happened to me, this, in tandem with one of the chars becoming immortal, bricked an advanced run because somewhere around the end of act 3 pretty much every encounter started playing out in exactly the same retarded way and the game became completely devoid of challange.

It's not enemies being clever by hitting selected targets with disables or ranged focus firing targets of opportunity. It's 100% enemies suddenly deciding to suicide lemming rush any given char, completely disregarding everyone's positioning, protection, cc et al.

Yes, I want to spoil games for you by expecting basic stuff to work properly 2 years after release.

 

[Barbarian]

ITT, sucubbus waifu is basically captain save a hoe' roleplay.

There is comedy in this game's wokeness.