Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Cyberarmy]

Deep Caverns versus House at the Edge of the Time. Which is worse and why, discuss!!!

 

[Luckmann]

Question: Are there actually any other pets in the game, other than the three you can get from Kickstarter/Pre-Order/whatever DLC's? In at least the first three chapters or so, there appears to be no other pets, which is weird, considering that these things are named and appear at Oleg's/the Keep and everything. It's just a strange thing to lock behind an exclusive content wall.

First of all how do you know it failed? They sold out all the editions with physical awards, sales on their own platform were so good it killed their servers for a whole day and I am sure Steam sales did at least OK.

How do I know it failed? Because it was near-universally panned by everyone outside of the SJW clique, ridiculed, and then promptly forgotten. Oh, they definitely made money on it, I'm sure, but you have your head buried deep in the anus to claim that it was a success by any meaningful measure, never mind clinically retarded to claim that it was good.

I never agreed that it failed and I am not even talking about that. I am talking how goblins that spent 100% of the time here shitting on SJW stuff in SoD are now starting to do same to this awesome game that has as much or more SJW stuff but was so far spared from most attacks.

Yes? Should a game not be criticized for it's faults? Had Dragonqueer not been shit, it wouldn't have been received in the way it was, and it wouldn't have suffered as harshly from some of it's most apparent issues (i.e. writing, narrative/(C)NPC, mod-like low-quality production, etc.).

While PF:K is a good game, once the honeymoon phase is over, it is only natural that observed issues are raised again, and discussed at length. We've only just scratched the surface with PF:K, really, and it will likely be picked apart for a considerable time. Issues are first noted in passing, and are then reiterated and dissected later. There is absolutely nothing weird about this in any way whatsoever, and it's natural that the trashier part of the game should be first up on the chopping block after the game has been patched. There's nothing wrong with shitting on shit things, and calling others "goblins" is about as meaningful as saying "muh sexists" or some other cop-out deflection.

 

[Shadenuat]

Funny thing most of hidden SJW stuff I learned by reading other posts. Stuff like what Luna says I just skipped because it was some unvoiced introductory line and I concentrate on important information.

The only person I shut down on purpose during my first playthrough was Regongar. But then if you put him on advisor position he suddenly is all bro, combat drugs for maximum effectiviness, maximum arcane power in the army, pure awesome. So... eh?

Oh, one other way I learned stuff was from Nereid Aura. You see, it only affects creatures who like womyn. And Valerie and Amiri are immune, but Linzi and Octavia aren't, or that's how I remember it from some anecdotal evidence of me fighting Nereids a few times with them in party.

The female power of Valerie and Amiri who were BOTH beaten up by men in their quests and you can't do anything about it also eluded me. Although I guess they are both mary sue anyway if you finish their quests proper.

As for Dragonspear, it is pretty obvious why people talked about it - it's because writers trashed companions people liked through all these years.

 

[Generic-Giant-Spider]

Imagine Valerie's duel in Beamdog's Freddy Krueger world.

She'd kill her Paladin superior in dialogue and cause his character to topple over, before he dies he'll utter that he was wrong all along and that she truly is the Alpha Wolf at which point he asks for an honourable death which she swiftly grants. Then the goddess that she shunned is so proud of Valerie that she bestows from the skies above, god rays, church choir and all, a suit of divine armour and a sword that does +15 damage to men. And 80,000 xp to all women and transgenders in your party. Then a parade is thrown in your kingdom without your choice for celebration of rainbows and pink things.

 

[Efe]

im not noticing any sjw stuff here.
if it exists, it isnt blatant (except faggot couple in pitax but i write that off to the whole chapter being rushed shit).
not like dragon age or mass effect.
i'd compare to dragonspear too but cant justify buying a product im most likely to hate.

 

[Luckmann]

I think you should play SoD again without reading Codex topics about it while doing it. 'Dex has a way to change perception of people. Before I joined here I didn't even notice that elf companion in DAO being gay :D

Was any and all kinds of pattern recognition beaten out of you as a child, or what? Because that's downright fucking scary, and matches up way too well with theories on liberal brainwash, holy shit, you're like a caricature.

And I didn't notice Jaheira being a bitchy wife, she was just a shitty multiclass fighter/druid that I never cared to use in my parties. And so on and on.

Well assuming you're talking about BG1 Jaheira, not Dragonqueer Jaheira, this is somewhat understandable, since it is entirely possible to actually play the game without having Jaheira with you, but honestly, again, I'm a bit perplexed, because this "bitchy wife" thing with Jaheira is immediately apparent in the conversation you have with Jaheira and Khalid at the Friendly Arm Inn, with her bossing over Khalid, him replying with his classic meek "Yes dear".

This doesn't really relate to the topic, though, because nobody actually gives a shit, because Khalid being a cuck was funny and sad, but never hamfisted agenda-pushing SocJus trash accompanied with frequent "Get it, ha ha get it?".

EDIT: Amiri and Valerie are obviously pushing an agenda, at least in Act 1 when you meet them. They seem sure of themselves, only later they are deconstructed.

Well now you're just pulling shit out of your ass and hoping it'll stick. It really is like you have no ability to discern patterns at all, and that you are genuinely brainwashed into a form of value-less color-blindness. You probably shouldn't play anywhere near the street, because at this point I doubt you'd be able to tell the difference between a fast-moving law enforcement vehicle with it's sirens blaring and the ice-cream truck.

I know for certain that I wouldn't let you paint my house, because it's all color, right? Fucking hell.

 

[Luckmann]

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I'd consider all of them white except Ekundayo.

Your Ekundayo isn't white?!

Spoiler

 

[Lawntoilet]

Comparing P:KM to SoD on the SJW-ery scale is beyond retarded.

In SoD you were forced to endure lengthy cutscenes with agenda speak, PF:KM has a few mentions of it from minor NPCs. No way is the scale comparable.

I don't know what scenes you are talking about. The short talk with minor and easily missed NPC transgender that you can afterwards murder without any reputation loss and get her gear?
Or the talk with that one companion that hits of girls but is then put down by another NPCs and you cannot comment anything bad about it?

What are these lengthy cutscenes? Sorry, but most complaints about SJW in SoD came down to quoting that shitty fat writer idiot. I does not matter what she said, the game itself didn't have as much SJW stuff as P:KM has. And Minsc stuff was removed in a patch. While Owlcat are adding more bisexual companions in a DLC...

It's not about the content, but how they present it.

In no instance did I think Owlcat is pushing an agenda while I played the game, while in SoD it was palpable.

Maybe Owlcat simply does a better job of doing it subliminally?

I think you should play SoD again without reading Codex topics about it while doing it. 'Dex has a way to change perception of people. Before I joined here I didn't even notice that elf companion in DAO being gay :D
I just ignored him for being a character I didn't want in my party. And I didn't notice Jaheira being a bitchy wife, she was just a shitty multiclass fighter/druid that I never cared to use in my parties. And so on and on.

EDIT: Amiri and Valerie are obviously pushing an agenda, at least in Act 1 when you meet them. They seem sure of themselves, only later they are deconstructed.

How could you not know Zevran was gay? You didn't notice the pointy ears?
Also Jaheira being a shrew was at least 75% of her character in BG1. And it was fine, she was pretty well-written.

Of a men - one is old grandpa, one is a negro, one is some cripple - dwarf, one some Spanish pilot (nok-nok), one is not exactly a man and is so sugary - was made for "women" who love homosexuals, tupical bioware audience, and the last is cuckold shithead.

Subtotal: ZERO.

SJW acting not only through pandering, but through displacement of men characters from everywhere.

The male companions:

Jubilost - rich gnome masterrace playboy, immortal, renowned author fawned over by all

Harrim - chad nihilists, destroys castles with his bare hands

Ekundayo - his quest is 2 chicks clawing over him, cmon proof of virility right here

Regognar - gives no fucks about anything or anyone, best depicted CE alignment in games. Didn't see his romance though

Nok-Nok - the real player character, you are merely his servant. Praise Lamashtu!

Tristan - backstabbing for power is an alpha move

I'd consider all of them white except Ekundayo.

 

[Generic-Giant-Spider]

You probably shouldn't play anywhere near the street, because at this point I doubt you'd be able to tell the difference between a fast-moving law enforcement vehicle with it's sirens blaring and the ice-cream truck.

Unless it's the Twisted Metal tournament. Then it could be both.

 

[~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-AIN'T]

The real bullshit Mary Sue womynpower character in Kingmaker is that bitch Linxia. She comes into your throne room, you tell her she can't pull her shit in your kingdom and she tells you to fuck off she'll do it anyways. No option to say "guards arrest/execute her" unlike almost every other visitor (for most of whom the option doesn't even make sense). Then she fucks your people up for awhile, you finally get the option and she goes "nah tbqh fam I'm just gonna leave (but stay in your kingdom haha) you can't arrest me."

Then later you finally get to fight her and she teleports away and you can't ever kill her afterwards because her quest is bugged

 

[Shadenuat]

Hm? You can totally kill both Linxia and the Dude. First kill her then him. I did on my CE playthrough because I was done with their shit.

From all quests this one is probably the most retarded one though.

As I say - most of dialogues in the game lack the obligatory "Throw in oubliette" option.

 

[Lawntoilet]

Hm? You can totally kill both Linxia and the Dude. First kill her then him. I did on my CE playthrough because I was done with their shit.

From all quests this one is probably the most retarded one though.

Yeah I killed her. You should have Lawful and Chaotic options to tell her you'll handle crimes on your lands/fuck off, you're out of your jurisdiction

 

[~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-AIN'T]

I was Lawful Evil and didn't have that option, game didn't let me fight her until Dumra's place where she teleported away.

 

[fantadomat]

The female power of Valerie and Amiri who were BOTH beaten up by men in their quests and you can't do anything about it also eluded me.

That is up to the player,a good build could win those battles. Armak is pretty tough tho. The Valerie duel was pretty easy,she is nearly immortal by late game,now she have 45-50 AC.

 

[Lawntoilet]

The female power of Valerie and Amiri who were BOTH beaten up by men in their quests and you can't do anything about it also eluded me.

That is up to the player,a good build could win those battles. Armak is pretty tough tho. The Valerie duel was pretty easy,she is nearly immortal by late game,now she have 45-50 AC.

I was sure the Armag fight is scripted because he breaks her sword. I had lots of HP left when I "lost" that fight.
Val's fight is definitely winnable though.

 

[fantadomat]

The real bullshit Mary Sue womynpower character in Kingmaker is that bitch Linxia. She comes into your throne room, you tell her she can't pull her shit in your kingdom and she tells you to fuck off she'll do it anyways. No option to say "guards arrest/execute her" unlike almost every other visitor (for most of whom the option doesn't even make sense). Then she fucks your people up for awhile, you finally get the option and she goes "nah tbqh fam I'm just gonna leave (but stay in your kingdom haha) you can't arrest me."

Then later you finally get to fight her and she teleports away and you can't ever kill her afterwards because her quest is bugged

Actually you can call the guards on her,but this have the same effect as saying to her to leave. To get that options you have to leave the throne room and go talk to a hellkinght on the town square,if you tell them to stop pestering your people she comes to talk to you and you get the option to tell it. Also you can advance the quest with the cheat menu mod on the nexus.

 

[fantadomat]

The female power of Valerie and Amiri who were BOTH beaten up by men in their quests and you can't do anything about it also eluded me.

That is up to the player,a good build could win those battles. Armak is pretty tough tho. The Valerie duel was pretty easy,she is nearly immortal by late game,now she have 45-50 AC.

I was sure the Armag fight is scripted because he breaks her sword. I had lots of HP left when I "lost" that fight.
Val's fight is definitely winnable though.

It is scripted.... really piss me off after i spend half an hour trying to win and go the same thing in the end .

 

[Efe]

its entirely possible it reduces last persuasion checks for armag since he complains about meddling in the duel.
they do a few things like that.

 

[Lagole Gon]

Okay... so because russian mongoloids didn't let me complete Harrim's questline my favourite bro is dead. And I don't have a priest, except sort of Jaethal.

 

[~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-AIN'T]

Actually you can call the guards on her,but this have the same effect as saying to her to leave. To get that options you have to leave the throne room and go talk to a hellkinght on the town square,if you tell them to stop pestering your people she comes to talk to you and you get the option to tell it.

Yeah that's what I did. The problem is that first off you should get that option in the throne room immediately when she says she's gonna do her investigation whether you like it or not. Secondly, telling the guards to arrest her should either cause a fight or cause her to get arrested, not just let her leave.

I don't know how everyone else killed her but in my game after she left the capital she went to the lodge. There I attacked her and she teleported away, then her quest stayed in the log with some note implying she'd be back later but it never progressed.

 

[Lawntoilet]

its entirely possible it reduces last persuasion checks for armag since he complains about meddling in the duel.
they do a few things like that.

I thought the "meddling" was the Faceless Sister.
I really don't think it's possible to win that fight.

 

[hell bovine]

Who cares about companions, when there are real issues present. Baleful polymorph results in unlootable corpses. Unlootable. You can see the loot, but clicking on it does nothing.

 

[Parabalus]

The female power of Valerie and Amiri who were BOTH beaten up by men in their quests and you can't do anything about it also eluded me.

That is up to the player,a good build could win those battles. Armak is pretty tough tho. The Valerie duel was pretty easy,she is nearly immortal by late game,now she have 45-50 AC.

I was sure the Armag fight is scripted because he breaks her sword. I had lots of HP left when I "lost" that fight.
Val's fight is definitely winnable though.

You can win Armag's fight but then a defaced sister interrupts for the same outcome.

 

[Thonius]

Speaking about failures. PF:k got roughly x2 amount of Deadfire reviews. So it roughly x2 more popular. Dab

 

[Parabalus]

Who cares about companions, when there are real issues present. Baleful polymorph results in unlootable corpses. Unlootable. You can see the loot, but clicking on it does nothing.

Entire chapter 6 also has unlootable companion corpses. More than a million gold in gear on a corpse and you can't loot it