Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Israfael]

Anyone found already that ghost in Pitax with 800 hp, 56 dex and 61 Charisma?

You can stunlock him and kill him with no damage taken at the level you get to the palace. Did so on challenging, probably the same on hard.

 

[Fedora Master]

I finally fucking finished them game. Only took me half a dozen restarts in the beginning due to the hotfixes and whatnot and indecisiveness regarding my class.
350 hours for one playthrough. Can't say I didn't get my money's worth. Enjoyed the ending slides and it's actually impressive how many seemingly inconsequential choices make it in there, so that was nice.

BUT

Spoiler

I have never seen a game shit the bed so hard at the end. Everything after entering the House at the Edge of Time is complete and utter shit. Everything. The game turns form a solid 8/10 into

Popamole copy/pasted packs of overtuned enemies in nearly every room, worse than PoE ever was. Bugs out the ass. Loading screens out the ass. An incomprehensible map that they simply fucking copied so you have to explore everything TWICE. No more choices, no more branching paths, no more dialogue options, FUCKING NOTHING. And oh my Lord I thought I was done after the Nyrissa but nooooo, it only gets worse after that! The part where you gather old allies and see them all joining the fight was neat. The fact that none of it fucking mattered because they were of no help or consequence AT ALL ruined the whole experience in a matter of minutes though. AND THE FUCKING WILD HUNT FAGGOTS ARE BACK AGAIN BECAUSE OF COURSE THEY ARE. At that point I put the difficulty down to Story Mode because I absolutely couldn't bear it anymore. Thanks Owlcat for making me shit all over my own principle, feels great. Didn't get the achievement for playing on Challenging either of course but I don't think I would have been able to defeat the Lantern King anyway, at least not with another 50 hours of reloading.

Oh and of fucking course there is no way to keep playing after the Lantern King. Who would want to go back to their kingdom and fuck around some more? Nobody, of course, lol!

I simultaneously want to hug the people at Owlcat for making an inclined classic CRPG and then lock them in their office and burn it all to the ground.

 

[Reinhardt]

That ain't no man.

He's hetero.

She's a lesbian, you mean. It would take a positive DNA test before I would believe she was born a man.

Nah, he's too good looking to be lesbian.

 

[Cael]

That ain't no man.

He's hetero.

She's a lesbian, you mean. It would take a positive DNA test before I would believe she was born a man.

Nah, he's too good looking to be lesbian.

You're right. He is a disguised ladyboy.

 

[Haplo]

( Oh and there is a bug that prevent spells gained trough bloodline from appearing in spell book. Unless you already can cast spell of that level. For Example I gained Dragon Form 3 trough bloodline, but since I dont have access to 8 lvl spells I cannot use it)

It's not really a bug. It's rather UI error and/or bad translation of PnP rules. The UI presents the same abilities you would get if you had a Sorceror Bloodline (at the same levels). Meanwhile Eldritch Scions are not supposed the have the same abilities, but rather "Bloodrage" versions (generally more limited, you have to pay points to use them). Somewhat understandably in Kingmaker the devs did not code a separate set of Bloodlines for Scions and made them use the Sorceror ones instead. But they are not supposed to earn spells beyond the spell levels they can actually access. So Bloodline UI for Scions should be fixed to remove the top abilities - beyond level VI spells and reshuffle the earlier ones to levels when the ES can actually use spells of that level.

 

[ArchAngel]

That ain't no man.

He's hetero.

She's a lesbian, you mean. It would take a positive DNA test before I would believe she was born a man.

Nah, he's too good looking to be lesbian.

You're right. He is a disguised ladyboy.

You were close. He is actually a disguised

Spoiler

Monadic Deva

 

[razvedchiki]

Tristian is a deva?for reals?

 

[Cael]

Tristian is a deva?for reals?

Yeah. One of the reasons for the gender jokes.

 

[Raghar]

3. I have kobolds in my kingdom so I can't get the restioration of the keep upgrade.

I have kobolds in my barony, and I can restore the keep. Which, I admit, is fucking weird.

These are different kobolds. Remember that tribe from Sycamure that doesn't talk with Trobold tribe? You murdered all mites to give them total dominance in area.

 

[Thonius]

Well devas got two genders( some races in pathfinder only females etc) so he still he. On the other hand he might be totally played by Nirissa in believing he is a deva etc. Also what about Crown? I kept it to myself and it was pretty useless that way. Is it better to free spirit?
Oh and super disappointed about whole Oculus deal. No special event's if you keep it. (no mass brainwashing etc, no ending slides) I was expecting to go full Saruman after all the fluff about it. But nope.

These are different kobolds. Remember that tribe from Sycamure that doesn't talk with Trobold tribe? You murdered all mites to give them total dominance in area.

If you're neutral you can have both mites and kobolds ( no unique building for mites though) and have a shield road. Also they will help you in a final battle. Even queen Bdah!
Also if you're aligned with certain priest there is a small choice in the end. To sacrifice someone for extra L boon.

 

[Lawntoilet]

Well devas got two genders( some races in pathfinder only females etc) so he still he. On the other hand he might be totally played by Nirissa in believing he is a deva etc. Also what about Crown? I kept it to myself and it was pretty useless that way. Is it better to free spirit?
Oh and super disappointed about whole Oculus deal. No special event's if you keep it. (no mass brainwashing etc, no ending slides) I was expecting to go full Saruman after all the fluff about it. But nope.

These are different kobolds. Remember that tribe from Sycamure that doesn't talk with Trobold tribe? You murdered all mites to give them total dominance in area.

If you're neutral you can have both mites and kobolds ( no unique building for mites though) and have a shield road. Also they will help you in a final battle. Even queen Bdah!
Also if you're aligned with certain priest there is a small choice in the end. To sacrifice someone for extra L boon.

Crown effects are:

Spoiler

Keep Crown = get curse research project
Give crown to Pharasma cleric = elf ghost safely disposed of in elf afterlife
Give crown to Shyka = he kills Nyrissa if you try for romance ending with her (unconfirmed)

I finally fucking finished them game. Only took me half a dozen restarts in the beginning due to the hotfixes and whatnot and indecisiveness regarding my class.
350 hours for one playthrough. Can't say I didn't get my money's worth. Enjoyed the ending slides and it's actually impressive how many seemingly inconsequential choices make it in there, so that was nice.

BUT

Spoiler

I have never seen a game shit the bed so hard at the end. Everything after entering the House at the Edge of Time is complete and utter shit. Everything. The game turns form a solid 8/10 into

Popamole copy/pasted packs of overtuned enemies in nearly every room, worse than PoE ever was. Bugs out the ass. Loading screens out the ass. An incomprehensible map that they simply fucking copied so you have to explore everything TWICE. No more choices, no more branching paths, no more dialogue options, FUCKING NOTHING. And oh my Lord I thought I was done after the Nyrissa but nooooo, it only gets worse after that! The part where you gather old allies and see them all joining the fight was neat. The fact that none of it fucking mattered because they were of no help or consequence AT ALL ruined the whole experience in a matter of minutes though. AND THE FUCKING WILD HUNT FAGGOTS ARE BACK AGAIN BECAUSE OF COURSE THEY ARE. At that point I put the difficulty down to Story Mode because I absolutely couldn't bear it anymore. Thanks Owlcat for making me shit all over my own principle, feels great. Didn't get the achievement for playing on Challenging either of course but I don't think I would have been able to defeat the Lantern King anyway, at least not with another 50 hours of reloading.

Oh and of fucking course there is no way to keep playing after the Lantern King. Who would want to go back to their kingdom and fuck around some more? Nobody, of course, lol!

I simultaneously want to hug the people at Owlcat for making an inclined classic CRPG and then lock them in their office and burn it all to the ground.

The mist/lantern thing is the same as in Lamashtu's Womb so it's not out of nowhere, but it is shit.
Endgame is really bad overall though

Spoiler

although apparently a little better if you romance Nyrissa I hear because there are more quests and choice in Chapter 7

It is a shame there isn't postgame access to clear out the map if you missed anything or dick around with your kingdom. It would make sense if they could enable that with the "endless dungeon" DLC so you can go fool around there with your endgame party.

 

[ga♥]

Well, at least buddying up with Armag paid off!

How?

 

[fantadomat]

The noknok quest have pretty sad ending. You endup kind off becoming friends and the guys is one mean son of a bitch. And in the quest

Spoiler

You end up mocking by lying to him that jester is a king and some other retarded shit after the little guys spew his guts in front of you.

That was really shitty thing to do,better to just kill the little guy.

 

[Lawntoilet]

The noknok quest have pretty sad ending. You endup kind off becoming friends and the guys is one mean son of a bitch. And in the quest

Spoiler

You end up mocking by lying to him that jester is a king and some other retarded shit after the little guys spew his guts in front of you.

That was really shitty thing to do,better to just kill the little guy.

You can also

Spoiler

let him keep his statues and convince him that he is a hero in his own way.

This leads to him

Spoiler

surviving at the House because he heroically plays dead when Nyrissa attacks him

 

[ga♥]

Does you lose spells and shit if you shift alignment as an Inquisitor? To an alignment not covered by your deity I mean.

Also, Lawntoilet, regarding Jaethal, can I even finish her questline to make her and Cucktian survive if I am evil? If I recall corretly there was some good alignment requirement in the dialogues.

 

[Thonius]

If youre evil, why would you tolerate Tristian?

 

[Lawntoilet]

Does you lose spells and shit if you shift alignment as an Inquisitor? To an alignment not covered by your deity I mean.

Also, Lawntoilet, regarding Jaethal, can I even finish her questline to make her and Cucktian survive if I am evil? If I recall corretly there was some good alignment requirement in the dialogues.

I think there is at least one [Good] requirement. No idea about the Inquisitor alignment change (or Cleric for that matter).

If youre evil, why would you tolerate Tristian?

It allows you to sabotage Sarenrae by sending a bumbling 70IQ dipshit back into her service

 

[ga♥]

If youre evil, why would you tolerate Tristian?

I am trying to romance nyrissa (which is the evil choice even if the game presents it as good).
Also helping Tristian, after he kills thousands of people, seems pretty evil.

 

[ArchAngel]

If youre evil, why would you tolerate Tristian?

I am trying to romance nyrissa (which is the evil choice even if the game presents it as good).
Also helping Tristian, after he kills thousands of people, seems pretty evil.

It would be evil if he planned to murder another 1000s of people.. but what you did was forgive a mass murderer and let him atone for his deeds. Very Jesus Christ of you, unless you also consider Jesus to be evil.

 

[hell bovine]

I give up on the artisan quests. I've got the creepy elf all settled, workshop is upgraded, but now he has some dating issues that can't be resolved, because his ladylove spawned hostile during a diferent quest, so my party murdered her. And of course he's the bowmaker. Meanwhile that creepy magic artisan cannot create a scroll other than volcanic storm, so no updating Octavia's spellbook either. And Bokken just flat out trolls you with his creations.

 

[Thonius]

If youre evil, why would you tolerate Tristian?

I am trying to romance nyrissa (which is the evil choice even if the game presents it as good).
Also helping Tristian, after he kills thousands of people, seems pretty evil.

You can romance Nyrissa without lifting the curse btw. Just ask her to be your ally and kick Lanter King ass. I received cursed King and Queen slide.

 

[ga♥]

If youre evil, why would you tolerate Tristian?

I am trying to romance nyrissa (which is the evil choice even if the game presents it as good).
Also helping Tristian, after he kills thousands of people, seems pretty evil.

You can romance Nyrissa without lifting the curse btw. Just ask her to be your ally and kick Lanter King ass. I received cursed King and Queen slide.

It was pretty much the same with me. But then I sided with the Lanthern King.

With romancing though you get more content that I want to see, and the quest in chap VII.

 

[Thonius]

If youre evil, why would you tolerate Tristian?

I am trying to romance nyrissa (which is the evil choice even if the game presents it as good).
Also helping Tristian, after he kills thousands of people, seems pretty evil.

You can romance Nyrissa without lifting the curse btw. Just ask her to be your ally and kick Lanter King ass. I received cursed King and Queen slide.

It was pretty much the same with me. But then I sided with the Lanthern King.

With romancing though you get more content that I want to see, and the quest in chap VII.

You mean goodie goodie romance with curse research?

 

[ga♥]

I give up on the artisan quests. I've got the creepy elf all settled, workshop is upgraded, but now he has some dating issues that can't be resolved, because his ladylove spawned hostile during a diferent quest, so my party murdered her. And of course he's the bowmaker. Meanwhile that creepy magic artisan cannot create a scroll other than volcanic storm, so no updating Octavia's spellbook either. And Bokken just flat out trolls you with his creations.

This is defintly a new bug they introduced. I had 0 problems with 1.0.16 and I think I will the find the same issue with the Dryad because when I went to the area I already had an hostile random dryad that attacked me among satyrs and shit.

 

[Luckmann]

3. I have kobolds in my kingdom so I can't get the restioration of the keep upgrade.

I have kobolds in my barony, and I can restore the keep. Which, I admit, is fucking weird.

These are different kobolds. Remember that tribe from Sycamure that doesn't talk with Trobold tribe? You murdered all mites to give them total dominance in area.

Actually, no, I've got all of them. I've got Trobold-kobolds and Blackscales and Mites all. My barony is a happy little multicultural anarcho-capitalist state.

He tells you he wants the Shield Road rebuilt when he asks you to build him a shop (unless I misremember)

But rebuilding the Shield Road is different from restoring the Keep, no?