Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Average Manatee]

Is that only the case for position-specific bonuses? Because I was pretty sure that generic bonuses in a region work at least.

There's two very useful alignment locked buildings, lawful gives bulletin board for +2 to all rolls in a region while evil gives stocks for +1 to all rolls in a region. If you can maintain lawful evil alignment then +3 basically makes kingdom management a cakewalk.

 

[Cael]

Is that only the case for position-specific bonuses? Because I was pretty sure that generic bonuses in a region work at least.

There's two very useful alignment locked buildings, lawful gives bulletin board for +2 to all rolls in a region while evil gives stocks for +1 to all rolls in a region. If you can maintain lawful evil alignment then +3 basically makes kingdom management a cakewalk.

It doesn't work. I was playing lawful good, which was why I noticed it. My core had the board, but the new regions (Pitax being one) didn't. Rolls had identical bonuses.

 

[Litmanen]

Guys, I have just finished the sixth and last part of the ancient curse. Now I'm heading to the Thousand Voices.
Is it normal that, as soon as the sixth Act of the main quest has started, every single day I'm bombed with events that should be attended in the same month? It's three events that repeat themselves every single day

 

[dutchwench]

Guys, I have just finished the sixth and last part of the ancient curse. Now I'm heading to the Thousand Voices.
Is it normal that, as soon as the sixth Act of the main quest has started, every single day I'm bombed with events that should be attended in the same month? It's three events that repeat themselves every single day

I don't know if it's exactly normal but that was my experience as well, yes. Get lucky on enough events and get the fuck out of there like you're trying to avoid paying child support.

 

[Litmanen]

Guys, I have just finished the sixth and last part of the ancient curse. Now I'm heading to the Thousand Voices.
Is it normal that, as soon as the sixth Act of the main quest has started, every single day I'm bombed with events that should be attended in the same month? It's three events that repeat themselves every single day

I don't know if it's exactly normal but that was my experience as well, yes. Get lucky on enough events and get the fuck out of there like you're trying to avoid paying child support.

The problem is that I don't have enough counsellors to handle them. Plus, some of them have a VERY high DC (like 36-41 range) and my advisors have +16. SO I have 0% possibility to solve them. And I have run out of "jolly" to have a +5 (I don't know if there is any way to get more)

 

[dutchwench]

Guys, I have just finished the sixth and last part of the ancient curse. Now I'm heading to the Thousand Voices.
Is it normal that, as soon as the sixth Act of the main quest has started, every single day I'm bombed with events that should be attended in the same month? It's three events that repeat themselves every single day

I don't know if it's exactly normal but that was my experience as well, yes. Get lucky on enough events and get the fuck out of there like you're trying to avoid paying child support.

The problem is that I don't have enough counsellors to handle them. Plus, some of them have a VERY high DC (like 36-41 range) and my advisors have +16. SO I have 0% possibility to solve them. And I have run out of "jolly" to have a +5 (I don't know if there is any way to get more)

Indeed, the DC on these events is so high you're unlikely to solve them with advisors alone. This means you savescum. If it just absolutely doesn't work, consider dropping the management difficulty. It straight up does not matter anymore, you won't ever see this cursed map after getting to where you need to be and while that is certainly a spoiler, it's also hopefully a major headache relief. If they're updating Kingmaker hopefully they'll take a second look at the balance of this particular part of the game because that is some straight up not good gaming right there.

 

[MjKorz]

Guys, I have just finished the sixth and last part of the ancient curse. Now I'm heading to the Thousand Voices.
Is it normal that, as soon as the sixth Act of the main quest has started, every single day I'm bombed with events that should be attended in the same month? It's three events that repeat themselves every single day

I don't know if it's exactly normal but that was my experience as well, yes. Get lucky on enough events and get the fuck out of there like you're trying to avoid paying child support.

The problem is that I don't have enough counsellors to handle them. Plus, some of them have a VERY high DC (like 36-41 range) and my advisors have +16. SO I have 0% possibility to solve them. And I have run out of "jolly" to have a +5 (I don't know if there is any way to get more)

Indeed, the DC on these events is so high you're unlikely to solve them with advisors alone. This means you savescum. If it just absolutely doesn't work, consider dropping the management difficulty. It straight up does not matter anymore, you won't ever see this cursed map after getting to where you need to be and while that is certainly a spoiler, it's also hopefully a major headache relief. If they're updating Kingmaker hopefully they'll take a second look at the balance of this particular part of the game because that is some straight up not good gaming right there.

They won't be updating Kingmaker, because they've lost the rights to the game.

 

[Cael]

Guys, I have just finished the sixth and last part of the ancient curse. Now I'm heading to the Thousand Voices.
Is it normal that, as soon as the sixth Act of the main quest has started, every single day I'm bombed with events that should be attended in the same month? It's three events that repeat themselves every single day

I don't know if it's exactly normal but that was my experience as well, yes. Get lucky on enough events and get the fuck out of there like you're trying to avoid paying child support.

The problem is that I don't have enough counsellors to handle them. Plus, some of them have a VERY high DC (like 36-41 range) and my advisors have +16. SO I have 0% possibility to solve them. And I have run out of "jolly" to have a +5 (I don't know if there is any way to get more)

Indeed, the DC on these events is so high you're unlikely to solve them with advisors alone. This means you savescum. If it just absolutely doesn't work, consider dropping the management difficulty. It straight up does not matter anymore, you won't ever see this cursed map after getting to where you need to be and while that is certainly a spoiler, it's also hopefully a major headache relief. If they're updating Kingmaker hopefully they'll take a second look at the balance of this particular part of the game because that is some straight up not good gaming right there.

They won't be updating Kingmaker, because they've lost the rights to the game.

And the whole universe breathed a sigh of relief.

 

[Litmanen]

Indeed, the DC on these events is so high you're unlikely to solve them with advisors alone. This means you savescum. If it just absolutely doesn't work, consider dropping the management difficulty. It straight up does not matter anymore, you won't ever see this cursed map after getting to where you need to be and while that is certainly a spoiler, it's also hopefully a major headache relief. If they're updating Kingmaker hopefully they'll take a second look at the balance of this particular part of the game because that is some straight up not good gaming right there.

Indeed I'm directly heading to Thousand Voices (I have no side quests anymore, I've done anything). I've had enough of this bitch.

They won't be updating Kingmaker, because they've lost the rights to the game.

Haven't they gained their rights back one or two months ago?

 

[dutchwench]

Guys, I have just finished the sixth and last part of the ancient curse. Now I'm heading to the Thousand Voices.
Is it normal that, as soon as the sixth Act of the main quest has started, every single day I'm bombed with events that should be attended in the same month? It's three events that repeat themselves every single day

I don't know if it's exactly normal but that was my experience as well, yes. Get lucky on enough events and get the fuck out of there like you're trying to avoid paying child support.

The problem is that I don't have enough counsellors to handle them. Plus, some of them have a VERY high DC (like 36-41 range) and my advisors have +16. SO I have 0% possibility to solve them. And I have run out of "jolly" to have a +5 (I don't know if there is any way to get more)

Indeed, the DC on these events is so high you're unlikely to solve them with advisors alone. This means you savescum. If it just absolutely doesn't work, consider dropping the management difficulty. It straight up does not matter anymore, you won't ever see this cursed map after getting to where you need to be and while that is certainly a spoiler, it's also hopefully a major headache relief. If they're updating Kingmaker hopefully they'll take a second look at the balance of this particular part of the game because that is some straight up not good gaming right there.

They won't be updating Kingmaker, because they've lost the rights to the game.

I think they got it back a few weeks ago as evidenced by the game resurfacing on the Steam store in regions where it previously was unavailable. The publisher is different now too. Current Steam page mentions "MY.GAMES", when it used to be Prime Matter (comparing with a March 2023 archive org page).

 

[MjKorz]

Guys, I have just finished the sixth and last part of the ancient curse. Now I'm heading to the Thousand Voices.
Is it normal that, as soon as the sixth Act of the main quest has started, every single day I'm bombed with events that should be attended in the same month? It's three events that repeat themselves every single day

I don't know if it's exactly normal but that was my experience as well, yes. Get lucky on enough events and get the fuck out of there like you're trying to avoid paying child support.

The problem is that I don't have enough counsellors to handle them. Plus, some of them have a VERY high DC (like 36-41 range) and my advisors have +16. SO I have 0% possibility to solve them. And I have run out of "jolly" to have a +5 (I don't know if there is any way to get more)

Indeed, the DC on these events is so high you're unlikely to solve them with advisors alone. This means you savescum. If it just absolutely doesn't work, consider dropping the management difficulty. It straight up does not matter anymore, you won't ever see this cursed map after getting to where you need to be and while that is certainly a spoiler, it's also hopefully a major headache relief. If they're updating Kingmaker hopefully they'll take a second look at the balance of this particular part of the game because that is some straight up not good gaming right there.

They won't be updating Kingmaker, because they've lost the rights to the game.

I think they got it back a few weeks ago as evidenced by the game resurfacing on the Steam store in regions where it previously was unavailable. The publisher is different now too. Current Steam page mentions "MY.GAMES", when it used to be Prime Matter (comparing with a March 2023 archive org page).

As far as I know, my.games was Owlcat's parent company from which they split and my.games still owns the rights to Kingmaker so the Steam page mentioning my.games makes sense. Owlcat lost the rights in 2019 and haven't received any money from Kingmaker sales since then.

 

[Desiderius]

Guys, I have just finished the sixth and last part of the ancient curse. Now I'm heading to the Thousand Voices.
Is it normal that, as soon as the sixth Act of the main quest has started, every single day I'm bombed with events that should be attended in the same month? It's three events that repeat themselves every single day

I don't recall having this? Maybe some plot point unresolved?

 

[Old Hans]

Guys, I have just finished the sixth and last part of the ancient curse. Now I'm heading to the Thousand Voices.
Is it normal that, as soon as the sixth Act of the main quest has started, every single day I'm bombed with events that should be attended in the same month? It's three events that repeat themselves every single day

thats the games way of telling you: GET TO THE CHOPPA!!! if you dont make your way over to the house at the end of time, you will be doomed

 

[Litmanen]

thats the games way of telling you: GET TO THE CHOPPA!!! if you dont make your way over to the house at the end of time, you will be doomed

I know that's the reason, but that doesn't make any sense at all.

Everything of the endgame.

First, after Act 6, I had a 5 months gap with NOTHING except the Ancient Curse part 6 countdown. I used this time to do every advisors' rank up.

Then, ancient curse part 6 done, the Act 6 started and it becomes as you see, just after a couple of days.
So, obviously, I HAVE TO GO to Thousand Voices/First World and solve the situation because it is the most important thing, since every 3/4 days I have a debuff because of these events.

But, as soon as I enter the First World that happens:
I fail the quest to rank up my kingdom 80 times (the problem is that I didn't have any more rank up to do)
I fail the Ancient Curse part 7 (that I never had. It wasn't even in the quest list).

Do I have to care about these things? Do they change anything for the endgame? It doesn't make any sense that I'm urged to go to the First World but there is one Ancient Curse thing yet (that is inherently linked with the main plot) and there is at least several months distance between one and the other.

When I heard this game was still bugged, I thought you were all crying babies (and often you are), but here you got good reasons, my god.

 

[Average Manatee]

Failing those quests means you passed the point of no return. At that point the only change would be different ending slides I think. All Kingdom management ends and you don't need to worry about it any more.

I do remember getting event spammed at some point but not that hard. You may want to try just powering through it. Or just enter the portal in Thousand Voices and finish the game.

If you can't rank up your kingdom 80 times then your stats must be low I think?

Ancient Curse 7 I assume would reveal itself in time. Yes the end game involves skipping a lot of days.

Spoiler

There is a secret ending if you are both very successful and make a bunch of specific choices throughout the game that would unlock an epilogue chapter, but 99.99% chance you won't qualify for it without a guide.

 

[Litmanen]

Failing those quests means you passed the point of no return. At that point the only change would be different ending slides I think. All Kingdom management ends and you don't need to worry about it any more.

I do remember getting event spammed at some point but not that hard. You may want to try just powering through it. Or just enter the portal in Thousand Voices and finish the game.

If you can't rank up your kingdom 80 times then your stats must be low I think?

Ancient Curse 7 I assume would reveal itself in time. Yes the end game involves skipping a lot of days.

Spoiler

There is a secret ending if you are both very successful and make a bunch of specific choices throughout the game that would unlock an epilogue chapter, but 99.99% chance you won't qualify for it without a guide.

Thank you. Obviously I've saved before entering the portal and I stopped just after, so I can actually roll back and finish those quests. It was just for the sake of completitionism and because I thought that could infer something in the final dungeon(s).

If you say they just change the ending slides, maybe I can stand it. But I'm not sure...

About the spoiler, I don't know what are the choices I had to make. I'll check.

 

[Desiderius]

I fail the quest to rank up my kingdom 80 times (the problem is that I didn't have any more rank up to do)

Eight Advisors at 10 each should be 80. Did you miss unlocking one?

 

[Old Hans]

There is a secret ending if you are both very successful and make a bunch of specific choices throughout the game that would unlock an epilogue chapter, but 99.99% chance you won't qualify for it without a guide.

I was so close to getting the dryad lady as my new girlfriend. I did all the curse research, killed the lantern king, everything was going according to plan, but I did something wrong and it was very sad time

 

[Litmanen]

I fail the quest to rank up my kingdom 80 times (the problem is that I didn't have any more rank up to do)

Eight Advisors at 10 each should be 80. Did you miss unlocking one?

I have all the Advisors but no more ranking up. I don't know why. Anyway, in the end, I decided to step in the fucking portal and go for the ending (and we'll see how long it will take).

 

[mediocrepoet]

There is a secret ending if you are both very successful and make a bunch of specific choices throughout the game that would unlock an epilogue chapter, but 99.99% chance you won't qualify for it without a guide.

I was so close to getting the dryad lady as my new girlfriend. I did all the curse research, killed the lantern king, everything was going according to plan, but I did something wrong and it was very sad time

Nobody wants to date a broccoli. Bullet dodged.

 

[Average Manatee]

There is a secret ending if you are both very successful and make a bunch of specific choices throughout the game that would unlock an epilogue chapter, but 99.99% chance you won't qualify for it without a guide.

I was so close to getting the dryad lady as my new girlfriend. I did all the curse research, killed the lantern king, everything was going according to plan, but I did something wrong and it was very sad time

Nobody wants to date a broccoli. Bullet dodged.

Most Owlcat written characters are some combination of vegetable and fruit anyway.

 

[Cael]

I fail the quest to rank up my kingdom 80 times (the problem is that I didn't have any more rank up to do)

Eight Advisors at 10 each should be 80. Did you miss unlocking one?

I have all the Advisors but no more ranking up. I don't know why. Anyway, in the end, I decided to step in the fucking portal and go for the ending (and we'll see how long it will take).

You need the associated city stat to be at a certain level (20*level-1, IIRC) before you can rank up. Use +stat buildings to massage stats. That is all they are there for.

 

[Desiderius]

Yeah, regional projects can boost them too.

If each of the eight isn't on X there's room to rank them up more.



Value needs to be 200 or above to rank to X.

 

[Litmanen]

There is a secret ending if you are both very successful and make a bunch of specific choices throughout the game that would unlock an epilogue chapter, but 99.99% chance you won't qualify for it without a

I'm sure the Ranks could be higher then mines (I had a couple at VIII, then the others at VII and VI). I had EVERYTHING ELSE possible done. Regional projects, curses, whatever. I hadn't any rank up left to do. My stats weren't as high as yours. There was the most part of them between 160 and 130, and then some roughly around 100. For sure that was the problem, but I don't what I could do better than try to do every single event or project possibile, to build buildings in every single Town, City or village an to upgrade whatever I could upgrade.

 

[Average Manatee]

A big problem with the balance of kingdom mode is that a lot of stats are earned by success on events and lost by failure. I suppose it's probably possible to get to a point where you can't max all stats