Incline Path of Exile 2 - now available on Early Access

[TedNugent]

It's not just that it's "designed for trade." It's designed for trade in the sense that there are very few uniques right now that scale well with targetable stats.

It's designed for trade int he sense that every single line item on every single piece of gear is an RNG slot machine roll, and you are encouraged to add each line item by using orbs to roll each one like a roll of a slot machine lever, on the off chance that you obtain a perfect stat combination for at least one build that would like to trade for it something of equivalent value. The economy is currently driven by the rarest of these RNG orbs, not the actual gear itself.

Yes, increasing your pool of selectable gear to the trade market will help in the sense that people are unquestionably dumping gear that by happenstance happens to be perfect for your build but useless for theirs, but it is still the same product of random chance, increasing rarity and therefore price. You still must gear yourself, and to purchase it on the market you must have increasingly inflated quantities of divine orbs, which you must obtain by farming high level maps with a well tuned magic find set.

In other words, you have to have the cash which you obtain from high level maps to obtain the gear that you need for high level maps, e.g. more than likely you're stuck rolling the slot machine for your own shit and hoping that you make something that somebody is willing to pay for in divines that you can then trade for something you do need.

 

[ArchAngel]

There's zero perks for anyone going SSF in a game clearly designed around trade yet the Path of Exile 2 community has clearly indicated that they reject trade. Time to reevaluate the vision.

1) they won't, it's the VISION, you see

2) SSF was fine in poe1, I've leveled several uber-capable characters to 99-100 with various degrees of squishiness (from zhp to near-immortal), it's just in POE2 there aren't much tools (like bench / proper crafting (fossils/eldritch orbs etc)) to cover for the lacking resists, very lackluster passive tree, D3-like uniques apart from the T0 items that I won't ever get etc

If by "fine" you mean needing to learn 5 different obtuse systems of crafting and all the grind that goes along with each. I've done target farming of Harvest trying to make an axe for my last character (with atlas nodes and everything) and after way too much time invested the best I got was a good enough weapon to clear up to t12-t13 maps. And this was just focusing on this, the rest of my gear was just to fill up resists, armor and life with no time to attempt making good bonus damage gear (crafting good steel rings and shit) as I was spending all my harvest plants on high ilvl axes I had waiting.
Also I had Blight spected on atlas, got just one golden oil out of way too many boring hours doing that shit.

This was when I for certain said goodbye to PoE1 shitty systems, trade, mapping and "crafting"

Crafting I want is D2 rune system where rare drops guarantee good results or at least Harvest how it was at release when you could make good items without needing to nolife the game.

Last Epoch and even D4 has better crafting system where you find loot on ground and then try to improve upon it.

 

[sebas]

I have a SSF lvl 83 monk able to reliably farm tier 15 bosses and I am yet to find an orb for a 5 or 6 link. Today I also got for the first time a belt with an extra charm slot. Their "crafting" system of simply slamming exalts is so fucking retarded. And I'm not even going to go into the hundreds of USELESS uniques.

Overall SSF is such a shit experience, Last Epoch is light years ahead.

 

[ArchAngel]

I have a SSF lvl 83 monk able to reliably farm tier 15 bosses and I am yet to find an orb for a 5 or 6 link. Today I also got for the first time a belt with an extra charm slot. Their "crafting" system of simply slamming exalts is so fucking retarded. And I'm not even going to go into the hundreds of USELESS uniques.

Overall SSF is such a shit experience, Last Epoch is light years ahead.

SSF in PoE1 and 2 is just to make the game harder, it has nothing to do with what Last Epoch did. If PoE2 implemented something similar to Last Epoch no trading system it would be perfect game.
And yes, 5l orbs seem to drop super rare. It seems you need to take nodes on atlas passive tree that give you more chance for those on certain maps and get rarity gear on your character for SSF. Only 5L orb I got is one I bought for my trade BoneStorm character

 

[Artyoan]

I still haven't gotten to the endgame yet, but I'm in the final areas of Act 3 Cruel. Not sure I'd call using the orbs a 'crafting system' so much as targeted gambling. I've gotten lots of equipment that looked promising but no way to advance it because exalted orbs were too rare for me to take risks. I almost always used them on whatever I already had to maybe make it better, rather than 'craft' something new. Maybe it doesn't make sense for endgame but feels like either exalted orbs needed to be more plentiful or using one gave a choice of three or so options instead of one random affix. At least some options with the orbs would have felt more like crafting.

I'll likely dip my toe into the endgame just to see how it works but then start a new character. The leveling process is the game to me, not so much the end grind.

 

[mediocrepoet]

I'll likely dip my toe into the endgame just to see how it works but then start a new character. The leveling process is the game to me, not so much the end grind.

This is how I play ARPGs too. I've never understood the perpetual live service hamster wheel thing where you grind the same shit incessantly. Seems more like a sign of a mental disorder or low IQ imo.

 

[HeatEXTEND]

If by "FUN" you mean needing to learn 5 different obtuse systems of crafting and all the grind that goes along with each.

Yup, shit is cash

 

[lukaszek]

actually i had plenty of exalts. Exalts are new chaos

 

[HeatEXTEND]

This is how I play ARPGs too. I've never understood the perpetual live service hamster wheel thing where you grind the same shit incessantly. Seems more like a sign of a mental disorder or low IQ imo.

It's about squeezing the character, it generally goes few chaos>many chaos>few divines>many divines>>>mirror(s), right? There's fun to be had at every step if you like the char.

Spoiler

while nursing your own build that is

 

[Shuricain]

I'll likely dip my toe into the endgame just to see how it works but then start a new character. The leveling process is the game to me, not so much the end grind.

This is how I play ARPGs too. I've never understood the perpetual live service hamster wheel thing where you grind the same shit incessantly. Seems more like a sign of a mental disorder or low IQ imo.

I think of it like a maze.
Eventually you figure your way out each league.

 

[mediocrepoet]

This is how I play ARPGs too. I've never understood the perpetual live service hamster wheel thing where you grind the same shit incessantly. Seems more like a sign of a mental disorder or low IQ imo.

It's about squeezing the character, it generally goes few chaos>many chaos>few divines>many divines>>>mirror(s), right? There's fun to be had at every step if you like the char.

Spoiler

while nursing your own build that is

That could be and for certain genres I'd be more inclined to agree with you. I often find ARPGs too repetitive to get there though, but whatever floats your boat.

 

[HeatEXTEND]

find ARPGs too repetitive

Well yeah, grinding is to some extent an acquired taste but it goes well with nurturing a character.

 

[Peachcurl]

I have a SSF lvl 83 monk able to reliably farm tier 15 bosses and I am yet to find an orb for a 5 or 6 link. Today I also got for the first time a belt with an extra charm slot. Their "crafting" system of simply slamming exalts is so fucking retarded. And I'm not even going to go into the hundreds of USELESS uniques.

Overall SSF is such a shit experience, Last Epoch is light years ahead.

SSF in PoE1 and 2 is just to make the game harder, it has nothing to do with what Last Epoch did. If PoE2 implemented something similar to Last Epoch no trading system it would be perfect game.
And yes, 5l orbs seem to drop super rare. It seems you need to take nodes on atlas passive tree that give you more chance for those on certain maps and get rarity gear on your character for SSF. Only 5L orb I got is one I bought for my trade BoneStorm character

We also have to target the right maps with high tier, which is all hidden behind a needlessly complicated system of manipulating your atlas skill tree, the atlas map (clearing the right ones, using towers the right way), and "crafting" the right waystones.

You pretty much need to read an in-depth guide if you want a decent chance at a perfect jeweler orb. Difficulty through obscurity.

 

[HeatEXTEND]

using towers the right way

GGG should use towers the right way and make them straight-up boss fights, that'd be sweet.

 

[ArchAngel]

using towers the right way

GGG should use towers the right way and make them straight-up boss fights, that'd be sweet.

When you enter upper floor there should be a boss fight and it should be the tornado bird from chaos trial

 

[ArchAngel]

Btw I got a fix for rarity, trading, SSF. Remove rarity mod from all rares in trade, nerf values on uniques.
Leave rarity as it is on SSF.

 

[HeatEXTEND]

using towers the right way

GGG should use towers the right way and make them straight-up boss fights, that'd be sweet.

When you enter upper floor there should be a boss fight and it should be the tornado bird from chaos trial

As long as it spawns you next to the arena, yesplz.

 

[lukaszek]

gave monk another serious spin. Went chayula and lol... Its nice that I can leech ES on mana leech, except it only works with PHYSICAL attacks. And all most staff skills convert to elemental dmg. What a troll. Tried those few physical ones, with extra waves from staggering palms. They suck baaaad.
Luckily i got high physical staff so can just test every setup. Electric one seem way better than cold, although soon id be able to equip helmet that lets me freeze on shocks which should allow me to check both worlds in tandem.

Almost respecced into spells but then... yeah its only on attacks.
I guess it leaves me with poison bows, but I dont own any cool bows

 

[darkpatriot]

So what do you guys think of the hacked (?) account drama?

Is this finally a valid reason to play SSF only?

I only play SSF (I want a single player game not a multiplayer game) but annoyingly your stash and gold is shared between characters. There is no way to have each character just limited to what that character finds.

 

[lukaszek]

I only play SSF (I want a single player game not a multiplayer game) but annoyingly your stash and gold is shared between characters. There is no way to have each character just limited to what that character finds.

thats the beauty of ssf, you find build defining unique and start over. At least in poe1, in poe2 number of uniques that you would want to wear in maps is damn low

 

[Peachcurl]

So what do you guys think of the hacked (?) account drama?

Is this finally a valid reason to play SSF only?

I only play SSF (I want a single player game not a multiplayer game) but annoyingly your stash and gold is shared between characters. There is no way to have each character just limited to what that character finds.

But just as most other advantages you could like from SSF, you might as well self-enforce. Which leaves SSF as a flex, and potentially as a block against trade spam if you like to use chat. :/

While eating all the disadvantages of a game designed for trade.

 

[ArchAngel]

So what do you guys think of the hacked (?) account drama?

Is this finally a valid reason to play SSF only?

I only play SSF (I want a single player game not a multiplayer game) but annoyingly your stash and gold is shared between characters. There is no way to have each character just limited to what that character finds.

But just as most other advantages you could like from SSF, you might as well self-enforce. Which leaves SSF as a flex, and potentially as a block against trade spam if you like to use chat. :/

While eating all the disadvantages of a game designed for trade.

It is also a help for those frustrating moments where you would break your own enforcement and buy a greater jeweler orb or something after it didn't drop for 50+ h of playing same character..

 

[ArchAngel]

Voice acting with witch is phenomenal and each time I play I notice new things. I just did the big monkey boss on cruel (act 6) with my 2nd witch (minion one) and I didn't notice this in first 3 fights vs this dude.
I was running around near him and suddenly she says "Big monkey is coming." and he appears at edge of the screen. Then he winds up the big attack and she says "I should dodge that."
I love this kind of stuff. Also when you are in Demon form her voice changes into more demonic sounding one and when using Detonate Dead she says "Booom!" or cackles. Only bad thing is that her voice lines activate not often enough. I want her to scream Boom!! every 3rd pack she blows up, not every 20th

 

[sebas]

Went chayula

Right now the only reason to go chiwahwah is the chaos resist which makes you so sooooo tanky. And purple flames nukes with bell but that's more like whatever.

 

[frajaq]

Is it true Chudyula flame stacks durations are separate (and you for example can't refresh the whole stack by picking up a single flame?)