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Norfleet

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This game is supremely casual-unfriendly, though. The cost of equipment is pretty harsh and the level of infrastructure you need to generate that level of income is definitely less than casual. Sure, it draws you in at first, but only by letting you shoot your own feet off in the process.
 

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So it's another in the bin of "once you play the main story once everything goes to complete shit"?
No, it's pretty much complete shit before you play the main story. In fact, naively playing the main story involves shooting yourself in the foot and generally doing things expensively WRONG. Like I said: If you don't really like playing shitty grinding games in which the correct way to play the game involves going off the rails in a bizarre, decidedly counter-intuitive manner, and not having any fun at all, then AVOID THIS GAME. If your favorite thing about MMOs isn't the auction house, AVOID THIS GAME.
 

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Agreed. I played it for the main story, and fucked up my character build. Then I started a new character based on things Norfleet had said and still fucked it up. You have to play constantly to NOT miss out on things that give you an edge.

Essentially, Norfleet is correct that if you want to enjoy the game you have to play it like it's a full time job. Otherwise you're gonna hit an immensely frsutrating paywall after you've sunk so much time into it already that no matter what you do is a waste.
 

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Agreed. I played it for the main story, and fucked up my character build. Then I started a new character based on things Norfleet had said and still fucked it up. You have to play constantly to NOT miss out on things that give you an edge.
Yeah, but here's the thing: In order to not fuck up, you have to not play. :P The CORRECT way to play the game is to go off the rails and intentionally avoid doing as much of the standard content, I.E., the story, as possible. At some point you may choose to do so, for your filthy FUN, but only after you've successfully subverted it first. Because it's not so much a paywall as it is a payhole. A wall is something you hit no matter what. A hole is something you dug yourself into.
 

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So it's another in the bin of "once you play the main story once everything goes to complete shit"?

Actually no, its more like you dont see the major problems until you hit about lv50, then it does downhill due to the idiocy that is Delta Rising and the post lv50 enemies ... also due to their kneejerking reaction were they basically double XP level requirements they seem to have fucked up leveling even pre-lv50 since I seen people complaining there some holes were they cannot play the next story mission because they are one level short.

You will have problems before the endgame and most of the endgame (queues) is dead anyway, also you are late since another of the Delta Rising stupidgeedity was before you had a free T5 ship, sure it was one console slot short of a C-Store ship but still functional but with Delta Rising come T6 ... that are all pay or event ships and you cannot get the Winter Event ship, meaning you end up with a ship that not only is statistical inferior to T6 but have a major flaw, that is lacking Mastery because those greedy lazy fuckers didnt want to add Mastery mechanics to the free T5 ships so you end up stuck with basically a tier under (less shields, less hull, less consoles and one ability short) that lack the mastery system and being stuck fighting enemies designed for ships with Mastery, sure some people will claim that is easy but try being new to the game and being stuck with a miserable experience at lv50+.

If you want to play you will see issues well before you run out of story missions, the only thing I can say is IF you want to start then do it now, BEFORE February since there will be another event ship in the Anniversary and this game aint worthy to play without a T6 ship.
 

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Well, if he's not playing for keeps, there's no point in being here. The casual experience is miserable, you will simply not be able to partake in anything of value unless you've put a lot of effort, time, and possibly-money, although I can help you avoid most of that.

Drakron, being casualfilth, naturally notices how bad things get before the end. I disagree with some of his assessment, mostly because I'm off the rails.
 

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Another noteworthy characteristic is that doing pretty much anything in the game involves following a sequence of time-limited events that must be followed in sequence. You farm marks, then you sit on the boxes until the mark-opening event, then you fill those marks into the rep system to fill the rep tiers until the upgrade event, whereupon you finally get to have stuff. These events can be months apart, and even longer if they come in the wrong order and are thus useless, and until the sequence occurs, probably several times, you can't do jack shit. And since you probably needed the equipment to farm marks in a "naive" way, you have a circular dependency problem that you can break into only with cheesing. No matter what, there's lots and lots of waiting.
 

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And to think, I started playing this because it was much easier for non-autist individuals like myself to get into and didn't require months of grinding to get to the good stuff.

How times have changed. I blame the Chinese Overlords. AZNs cannot into MMOs.
 

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Curiously, sources say that these decisions are not pushed by the Chinese Overlords at all, but rather, internal to Craptic.
 

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heh... playing this every few months for a while and then completely forgetting about it again seems to have made it more enjoyable for me (not paying any real money helps)... the grind for better pew pew is basically pointless, since all the PvE stuff can be completed with vastly inferior equipment and the PvP is dead (and wasn't all that great anyway)... the only time you'll experience grind while doing all the PvE stuff is between levels 50 and 60 (max) anyway
 

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Yeah, getting from lvl 1 to level 50 takes a week or 2 of semi-casual play. But getting from 50 to 51 can take several times as long. Good luck getting to 60 when it's not a Bonus XP week or something.
 

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There is enough content in the game now to get to lvl 55 or so just by playing the episodes. IIRC the xp needed after that goes up a LOT. However, the admirality system (read: a card game where you send you ships on missions) pays a shitton of xp, moah than the neutered DOFFing.
I had some old lvl 58 Derpa Raisin toon I slotted some 'mirin for while I was doing the mandatory winter grinding. Getting 10k xp for a non-crit mission is definitely worth the 30 seconds it took to slot.

Does say a lot about a game if you level faster by not playing tho...
 

Drakron

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There is enough content in the game now to get to lvl 55 or so just by playing the episodes.

That is after they lowered the minimum level requirements to play those missions, its just evidence how asinine was to just double XP requirements due to people running Patrol missions to XP Farm.

IIRC the xp needed after that goes up a LOT.

That is not the problem.
The problem is there is nothing else to do and also you are stuck on a free T5 Ship without mastery and as I said, new players are likely not grasping the Cryptic mechanics (this is a company that have no problems with their tooltips downright LIE) and the enemies being pretty much "balanced" with Mastery in mind.

However, the admirality system (read: a card game where you send you ships on missions) pays a shitton of xp, moah than the neutered DOFFing.

Ah yes, I forgot to mentioned they doubled the XP requirements but they "forgot" to double DOFF assignment XP rewards, this is why Admiralty pays well because the DOFF system been pretty much abandoned since the guy who created left the company and the person that replaced him doesnt give a shit (we are talking about someone that called reports on the forums assigments not appearing because they were broken "rumors") outside the mandatory gimmick DOFF powers that come in Lock boxes.

But Admiralty being a fucking card game requires having a deck, you cannot have a good deck ... heck not even a large deck as a free player because you only get the free ships that means what? 10 cards?

I had some old lvl 58 Derpa Raisin toon I slotted some 'mirin for while I was doing the mandatory winter grinding. Getting 10k xp for a non-crit mission is definitely worth the 30 seconds it took to slot.

The XP weekend was affecting Admiralty XP payout, I also gained many levels as I was trying to get Tour to appear but I have a larger deck to play with, new players are stuck with 2-3k payouts because good luck with 100/100/100 ... they are limited on the free ships they have that cannot fill those requirements, the T6 event ships can but that means they had to been here last year.

Does say a lot about a game if you level faster by not playing tho...

Admiralty was likely a attempt to make people buy the obsolete T5 ships and continue to buy ships like they did pre-DR ... but I doubt its working because its $60 for a card, its still too slow for XP requirements due to the inanity of having to get at least 55 levels post Lv60, I suspect T6 ships arent selling as well due to the lower player population and the big Fuck You with the T-5(U) and Specialization seems as a mechanic been largely forgotten by the players because it takes so fucking long and thus the T6 specialist seating might well not be there.

It just shows how ill-conceived was DR expansion mechanics and also how their lack of respect to their players AND paying customers was created a situation that I suspect made them worst off post-DR that before in relation to sales and a lot of that come from then not wanting to do their work without you having to give then 60 bucks, the mastery system is a example because all T5 ships should had them with the Upgrade giving them the same stats as T6 minus Trait and specialization seat but of course they knew better because the literally faggot of a community manager pretty much locked down any discussion about T5U on their forums, just shows how self centered they are in relation to player feedback, its really "my way or the highway" ... until they the highway is so packed (because we dont have to do it, something that always seem to forget) they have to go back and change things in a attempt to justify how they just spend 4 months of work on something not even 10% uses.
 

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Actually I was mostly using "free" ships for mirin. But free as in "event ships" and giveaways, so that's not really an option for new players. Still pissed that those Breen/Ferengi dinghies are better than the ships I payed many cybershekelz for, especially in the SCI department...
 

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just reinstalled STO after taking a break for a while to play other things (primarily New Vegas). I see the Iconians have already been defeated? The Fed and KDF were at war for how many years in this game, and the Iconians, the supposed biggest bads in all of Trek, are taken out in a few weeks? What a letdown after all that extended build up.

And of course we have another new rep. I don't think I've even finished Delta yet on all my alts. When did we become the "Fat Obstreperous Jerks"? :D
 

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Well we didn't really take out the Iconians, (spoilers) we used time traveling shenanigans and ended up with some form of peace treaty because they calmed down a bit.
 

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When did we become the "Fat Obstreperous Jerks"? :D
I did it after someone called me a jerk for my racing antics and threatened to report me to my fleet leaders, I.E., me. I could never remember the original name and the new one means the same thing anyway. Anyone who wishes to whine about us now has to deal with that awkward moment where they're going to report a Fat Obstreperous Jerk for being exactly what it says on the label.

Also, you missed out on all the new EXCLUSIVITY(tm), so now you're fucked.
 

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Who ARE actually the current villains of the show? Timetraveling Tholians? Or were they just a short interlude before... we hopefully go to the gamma quadrant and... meet a friendly dominon.

Please don't let it be the temporal cold war, I have almost managed to forget everything about that shitty show.
 

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