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roll-a-die said:
I was slapped for calling someone "gender queer" when I meant it in the literal sense(strange gendered). He flip flopped between whether she wanted to be a man or a woman I started to wonder whether he was really serious about being transgender.

:? Hmm, genderqueer is a pretty standard term for those who don't fit either of the standard male/female gender roles. Shouldn't be a cause for offense. Additionally, it's better to think of gender as a spectrum rather than a binary, either/or state. 99.9% of the population will cluster at the two ends of the spectrum, but there are individuals whose neurobiological makeup is different and who fall somewhere in between. Such individuals have always existed. Some cultures found ways to incorporate them into their society where Western culture generally has not, e.g. a southwest American Indian tribe had a handful of holy individuals who were androgynous and thought of as being a higher, genderless being that was sacred to the tribe. Certain sects of Buddhism have their own understanding of transsexuals, interpreting the unusual gender expression through the lens of karmic rebirth. Regardless, gender identity is as susceptible to variation as any other part of human beings, although true androgynenes are rare, even rarer than traditional transsexuals like myself.
 
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roll-a-die said:
I was slapped for calling someone "gender queer" when I meant it in the literal sense(strange gendered). He flip flopped between whether she wanted to be a man or a woman I started to wonder whether he was really serious about being transgender.

I hope you gave him a nice uppercut, or stomach punch in return?
 

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BRACE YOURSELVES

TRANNY DRAMA AHEAD

RUN WHILE YOU CAN



Anyway, let me get started: Has anyone watched Glenn or Glenda? It is the story about a dude that is not guy and yet likes to dress as a woman.
 

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Blackadder said:
roll-a-die said:
I was slapped for calling someone "gender queer" when I meant it in the literal sense(strange gendered). He flip flopped between whether she wanted to be a man or a woman I started to wonder whether he was really serious about being transgender.

I hope you gave him a nice uppercut, or stomach punch in return?
No I did what I do to all girls who attempt to slap me like a woman. Restrain their arms and calmly explain what a second slap or strike after my saying this will mean to their joints. On occasion parrying their foot as it swings toward my balls as I'm talking. To date my being 6'4" and very broad shouldered have stopped me from having to injure someone more than once. And that was in Collage where I had 12 people who backed up my claims that she hit me first and that I gave a warning. Nobody really messed with me after I dislocated her shoulders.

Now if they hit me like a man with a closed fist I generally break at least 3 bones.
 

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I'm usually inclined to sympathize (to a degree) with people identifying discrimination or hostility, but goddamn, this is an absurd joke. Even if it wasn't, and the dolled up super mutant was a legitimate effort to mock or marginalize whatever group, 1. you've no right to not be offended in your life, and 2. it's a fucking video game.
 

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That's what titanium bones tend to do to people.

it's better to think of gender as a spectrum rather than a binary,

I get that but still the persons who don't fit in the binary "ends" of the spectrum are pretty rare, even inside the LGBT-community. Not that I'm an expert, so maybe I'm just blind and deaf but your own estimate seems to lean towards the same conclusion.
 
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GarfunkeL said:
That's what titanium bones tend to do to people.

it's better to think of gender as a spectrum rather than a binary,

I get that but still the persons who don't fit in the binary "ends" of the spectrum are pretty rare, even inside the LGBT-community. Not that I'm an expert, so maybe I'm just blind and deaf but your own estimate seems to lean towards the same conclusion.

Yeah, pretty much. True androgynenes are the outliers to end all outliers, but they're out there.
 
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Re: the comparison between 'accepting transgender' and 'accepting pedophilia': the obvious difference is that pedophilia involves either breach of consent, or sex with someone who is incapable of consent. I would have absolutely no problem with someone who fulfilled their pedo urges by having a partner who liked doing a 'school-girl uniform' kink in their sexlife. Consent / lack of consent is a pretty clearl basis for moral and legal distinction.

And re: the 'new society' thing: oddly enough, in Australia at least, acceptance for transgender was traditionally a LOT higher than acceptance of gays, right up until the point where homophobia became the minority attitude. Prior to then, you had conservative politicians citing study after study showing that transgender identity has a genetic and physical/hormonal basis, with an overarching theme of trying to differentiate them from gays (the idea that it was fine for conservatives to legislate for transgender re-assignment, as long as they weren't thereby encouraging gays to come out of the closet).

Now it's transgender folk who are the 'ugly cousin', with folk saying that gays are fine but transgender folk are f****d. Thing is, it probably does qualify as a disorder - but changing the person's gender to fit their identity is a good way of treating the disorder, and possibly the only way given how badly every attempt to change inner/sexual identity has failed (not saying there aren't anecdotal cases of people for whom the 'cure homosexuality' programme worked, but for most people its a massive failure). And isn't the whole idea of a disorder to differentiate something from being a moral choice? If it's a disorder, that's no more grounds for hating/shooting someone than it would be if they had leukemia or schizophrenia.

Having said that, fucking lol at Obsidian's low-grade lulz being used as a basis for comment on transgender issues.
 

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Damn Babyarm, you brought GD to the news comments. And now I had to read fucked upped posts, like 1eyedking's...

I'll sue you! :evil:

That said:
You can put a pig in lipstick, but it’s still a a pig. Or a super mutant. Or a man.

Then, just for good measure, because apparently they weren’t insulting enough already, the character is a crazed villain. Who you get to kill. Fantastic.
Where can I pre-order :D
 

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Political correctness is a bane on humanity that prevents rational thoughts from surfacing. Anyone who uses one of the *phobia word is either a commie or an islamist and I wouldn't trust either. Playing the offended card just because someone used a stereotype for the lulz makes you far more mentally deranged than the people accused of being (x) phobic.

This is the kind of paranoia that feeds the division of society into neat subsets that wages war to each other.
 

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Herein lies the first problem. It is a jarring image, and I can’t imagine for a second that that wasn’t intentional. Essentially, they’ve made this character be transgender for shock value, or because they wanted to play it for laughs. Haha, aren’t those transgender people absolutely hilarious?<br /><br />This sort of attitude is bad enough at the best of times, but sad to say, this is not the best of times. Making the transgender character be a super mutant is not at all subtle. It paints an image of transwomen as brutish, ugly freaks who you can spot a mile off. You can put a pig in lipstick, but it’s still a a pig. Or a super mutant. Or a man.Then, just for good measure, because apparently they weren’t insulting enough already, the character is a crazed villain. Who you get to kill. Fantastic.

shut the FUCK up...jesus christ
 

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1eyedking said:
Morality and art died with religion.

Last I saw it, an entire region of the world was engaged in holy war.

And name for me some good artists, let's see when you think art "died."

How bout you provide for me an objective definition of morality while you're at it.
 

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Herein lies the first problem. It is a jarring image, and I can’t imagine for a second that that wasn’t intentional. Essentially, they’ve made this character be transgender for shock value, or because they wanted to play it for laughs. Haha, aren’t those transgender people absolutely hilarious?

This sort of attitude is bad enough at the best of times, but sad to say, this is not the best of times. Making the transgender character be a super mutant is not at all subtle. It paints an image of transwomen as brutish, ugly freaks who you can spot a mile off. You can put a pig in lipstick, but it’s still a a pig. Or a super mutant. Or a man.

Then, just for good measure, because apparently they weren’t insulting enough already, the character is a crazed villain. Who you get to kill. Fantastic.

Where does the preview say that Tabitha is a transwoman? All it says is that Tabitha's appearance resembles that of a "dude in drag". You're the one who made the jump to assuming that Tabitha represents a male-to-female transgendered person. For all you know, Tabitha could be a masculine-looking female who dresses up in a wig and pretty clothing to reaffirm her own gender identity, you invalidating fuck.

Also, when you say Tabitha's brutishness and ugliness is offensive because of how it portrays transwomen, aren't you basically saying that Tabitha doesn't looks as feminine as Tabitha should?

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God, what a fucking transphobe.

Edit: How the hell are you supposed to avoid referring to someone by any pronouns without sounding retarded? (Gender-neutral pronouns: bad because they don't "validate their identity", gender-indicative pronouns: bad unless you've personally met them and asked what pronoun they prefer, since apparently learning it from someone else is offensive too.)

Edit2: On second thought, sounding retarded is clearly not an issue for these people.
 
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TNO said:
Actually, fairly sure that was in the Lore in the first game. The muties who used stealth boys (Nightkin) get deranged.
And which weren't?
Also, I don't recall anything from Fallout 1 that would suggest that Stealthboys have harmful influence. Actually, why would they have it?
 
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Awor Szurkrarz said:
TNO said:
Actually, fairly sure that was in the Lore in the first game. The muties who used stealth boys (Nightkin) get deranged.
And which weren't?
Also, I don't recall anything from Fallout 1 that would suggest that Stealthboys have harmful influence. Actually, why would they have it?

I imagine it's the same thing that happened to these guys

must fuck with your head after a while

also, this whole discussion is retarded because Tabitha isn't really a transgender, just a guy that hit his head (or is simply crazy for some reason, perhaps as a result of the mutation) and now thinks he's a girl.
 

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I think things would work out better if people just threw gender out the window and just categorised people by their physical sexes, for practical purposes.
 
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Dny said:
Political correctness is a bane on humanity that prevents rational thoughts from surfacing. Anyone who uses one of the *phobia word is either a commie or an islamist and I wouldn't trust either. Playing the offended card just because someone used a stereotype for the lulz makes you far more mentally deranged than the people accused of being (x) phobic.

This is the kind of paranoia that feeds the division of society into neat subsets that wages war to each other.

How about just the general politeness of not knowingly hurting someone, even emoitionally, if it is easily avoidable. I'm not talking about when someone who isn't the target of the comments gets all offended, but if someone is deeply hurt because a label raises painful memories from their past, how difficult is it to just call them what they want to be called?

Hell, even in a completely non-oppression context, if I was working with a guy called Gary and he said he didn't like it when I called him Gazza (it's common in Oz to replace the last syllable of many names with zza), I'd call hm Gary instead. Not because of any political issue - because it's polite and to call someone something when you know they don't like it is teenage douchery.

I've heard on numerous occasions black folk explain in calm terms why it is they hate the n***** word so much. When I was growing up as a teenager, the rate of gay youth suicide in Australia was insane - it was the highest cause of death among gay males under 30. If you have to dress it in political correctness, there's something seriously wrong. It's just basic empathy for other people.
 
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Azrael the cat said:
How about just the general politeness of not knowingly hurting someone, even emoitionally, if it is easily avoidable ... ?
Sure. Sounds eminently reasonable, and I'll buy into that just as soon as all the fudge-packing-carpet-munching-transgendered-emotionally-challenged-people-of-colour-identity-groups drink a tall, cool glass of shut the fuck up. No one is entitled to respect. Respect is earned. And, sadly, I've never seen any of these special, shiny interest groups do anything other than whine or pontificate like the divine light of lord God almighty shines out of their collective arseholes.
 

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How about just the general politeness of not knowingly hurting someone, even emoitionally, if it is easily avoidable. I'm not talking about when someone who isn't the target of the comments gets all offended, but if someone is deeply hurt because a label raises painful memories from their past, how difficult is it to just call them what they want to be called?

Hell, even in a completely non-oppression context, if I was working with a guy called Gary and he said he didn't like it when I called him Gazza (it's common in Oz to replace the last syllable of many names with zza), I'd call hm Gary instead. Not because of any political issue - because it's polite and to call someone something when you know they don't like it is teenage douchery.

What does it have to do with the topic at hand ? do you suffer from logorrhoea and have to write two paragraphs of unrelated crap to divert the attention ? none of those two paragraphs have anything to do with what I wrote though you quoted me and admitted in the part I put in bold that you're talking crap. The issue of general politeness / personal relationships have nothing to do with political correctness. Of course if you want to be on good terms with someone you will learn to be tactful but it's not related to self-censoring our speech because we fear a crybaby, somewhere, sometime, could get hurt.

I've heard on numerous occasions black folk explain in calm terms why it is they hate the n***** word so much. When I was growing up as a teenager, the rate of gay youth suicide in Australia was insane - it was the highest cause of death among gay males under 30. If you have to dress it in political correctness, there's something seriously wrong. It's just basic empathy for other people.

You can't even spell the word nigger though the meaning intended is so obvious, this is the extent of your brain damage right there. If there's a black dude here who could be offended because he read "nigger" somewhere why should he be less offended by a self-censored "n*****" anyway ? If I directly quoted a black member of the board and called him a "n****" with the self censor he wouldn't take it any better than if I wrote it straight because what matters is the intent.

As for the gays who offed themselves they probably had far bigger problems than simply someone, somewhere, calling them "fags". Like being completely rejected and hated by their family. I should know, I live in the closet myself because there is a trade-off I don't want to make.

Hell fuck that shit, my right to offend other people trumps your right to take my free speech away this issue is core to the way I look at a functioning society and for that matter, this is one of the very few things that makes me like the United States of A better than Europe, that and the right to bear arms. Most if not all Eurofag countries aren't truly free in the sense the Americans put it and as a French I look at my country as a complete socialist failure.
 

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muds_animal_friend said:
No one is entitled to respect. Respect is earned.
that edgy omg rebel teen attitude is what is actually destroying civilization as we know it.
 

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also, this whole discussion is retarded because Tabitha isn't really a transgender, just a guy that hit his head (or is simply crazy for some reason, perhaps as a result of the mutation) and now thinks he's a girl.

But you see, this is just a clever way devised by Obsidian to trash trannies.
 

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