[LP CYOA] Spiral

[Kz3r0]

And we still don't know why he killed Usui, though jealousy looks likely. But Usui wasn't a part of the ritual, was he?

Of course he was, as all the others killed in droves.
I don't think Tokigawa witnessing the slaughter decided to be cool with it and take the chance for his revenge, it's obvious he was ready for that.
So yes, he was part of Seiji's preparations for the cermony, killing lots of people in the hospital to 'open' the way for his own version of the Juunimon ritual for wich twelve persons were specifically selectedby Seiji or were 'chose' by the hospital among the various killed people because of their blood connections with the ghosts.

 

[treave]

Mitsuki, too.

Mitsuki was brought here by Juuzo. The reasons that brought her there are external, so she counts as the one they lured.

A bit of a stretch to try and claim Okuyama's case is unique, since Juuzo wasn't the one who gathered the others, but the reasons that brought Okuyama there were also external.

 

[Nevill]

Of course he was, as all the others killed in droves.

See, now you have to prove that a murder of 100 people is a part of some preparation or a ritual instead of a by-product of some disaster.

Case in point, when 12 people went missing in 2012, there wasn't a mount of corpses to complement it. Because that experiment was actually planned, rather than hijacked.

I don't think Tokigawa witnessing the slaughter decided to be cool with it and take the chance for his revenge, it's obvious he was ready for that.

Witnessing what slaughter? Who did that? What guarantee you have that it wasn't Usui and Toki-kun didn't kill him in self-defence?

There is no evidence in his actions or his personality that he willingly and consciously engaged in such a thing. He is no more of a 'plant' than Mitsuki or Uehara.

A bit of a stretch to try and claim Okuyama's case is unique, since Juuzo wasn't the one who gathered the others, but the reasons that brought Okuyama there were also external.

Were they ever hinted at, or are we completely in the dark about it because we never interacted with her?

 

[Kz3r0]

If Sakimura is connected to anyone, I would have thought about Mori, first, before thinking about Sawada and the like.

It's true that any connection between Sawada and Sakimura is just a guess based on the fact that we don't know anything about them both, but Sakimura- Mori is an obvious blank.

 

[treave]

Were they ever hinted at, or are we completely in the dark about it because we never interacted with her?

That, and you didn't choose to make the connection that would have revealed it.

 

[Nevill]

Sakimura- Mori is an obvious blank.

Less obvious to me considering he had a friend who went missing. He could have contacted the police or hired a detective. He could be hired by a detective as an informer, since he had another friend in the hospital.

It is a long stretch, but it is possible. With Sawada I can't draw any lines whatsoever.

That, and you didn't choose to make the connection that would have revealed it.

Hm. I can only think of Sakaki. Oh well, some things are just not meant to be revealed.

 

[treave]

Hm. I can only think of Sakaki. Oh well, some things are just not meant to be revealed.

Can't get everything.

Anyway, next update will be split into two, with voting coming in the latter half. They should come out on the same day though.

 

[Nevill]

“Onee-chan taught it to me when she was still staying here. The value of time is in how you spend it, she said. Well, we’re at my room. I’ll be fine by myself, Okuyama-san.” Giving the nurse a firm, confident smile, Iwano opens the door to her ward. She lets it close behind her as she totters towards the bed. Iwano falls onto the soft mattress, letting her face sink into its downy goodness.

She sighs. It’s tiring. Everything’s so tiring. But she can’t give up. Even though Onee-chan is no longer here, Iwano has to be a good girl and stay strong for the other kids.

I wonder who that Onee-chan was.

It sounds like something Seika would say, but Seika wasn't here for 2 years, and it feels like Mitsuki is talking about something that happened relatively not too long ago.

Perhaps that was the female friend Uehara was talking about? Wonder what her significance is.

 

[Rex Feral]

I. Sakimura Yuuki
II. Uehara Shizuka
V. Sawada Junichi

 

[treave]

I wonder who that Onee-chan was.

It sounds like something Seika would say, but Seika wasn't here for 2 years, and it feels like Mitsuki is talking about something that happened relatively not too long ago.

Perhaps that was the female friend Uehara was talking about? Wonder what her significanse is.

It's Seika.

 

[Rex Feral]

We could link Sawada to Maeda, as in they were both close to Seiji. Maybe he was the one that gave her the hint that he might be at the hospital. Actually I can see him manipulating at least some people to come to the hospital.

 

[Kz3r0]

See, now you have to prove that a murder of 100 people is a part of some preparation or a ritual instead of a by-product of some disaster.

Case in point, when 12 people got missing in 2012, there wasn't a mount of corpses to complement it. Because that experiment was actually planned, rather than hijacked.

Exactlly, the name of the disaster is Seiji.

I think that this is the most likely scenario:
From what we can guess and what Kaiano said to Seiji the Experiment is similar to the Juunimon ritual, it involves stand-ins to better control it, said stand-ins are tricked into thinking that they are not sacrifices while it seems that all the twelve people involved are in fact ones, the only exception being the thirteenth among them.

Seiji prepared his grand return from the dead, probably through Sawada, using something similar to the Juunimon ritual to hijack the Experiment.

Now there are two possibilities:
1)
This involved killing dozens of people, probably both to hijack the experiment and disrupt Juuzo's plan, this is why the head experiment, Taketatsu and the prospect maiden were chosen.
The mass murder was just the set-up for Seiji own version of the Juunimon ritual, thus seems that at least one sleeping agent is involved, Sawada, who most likely organized the mass murder as well at the behest of Seiji.
Tokigawa willingly partecipated in the preparations, killings, that he is a sleeping agent is unknown.

2)
By interfering with the experiment using Sawada as an agent Seiji unleashed the Gosts' malice, by consequence everyone got influenced in some way and the killing started.
So Tokigawa's revenge was a consequence of him being influenced by the malice instead that being part of a planned set-up.


Somerthing didn't work as planned, obviously, less obvious is what go wrong, see the fact that we possessed Seiji's body, others seems to have done the same.

Juuzo tried to regain control of the whole affair by trying to rescue Mitsuki and turning Uehara against Seiji.

Now we are going at the roots of this whole mess it seems.

 

[Nevill]

From what we can guess and what Kaiano said to Seiji the Experiment is similar to the Juunimon ritual, it involves stand-ins to better control it, said stand-ins are tricked into thinking that they are not sacrifices while it seems that all the twelve people involved are in fact ones, the only exception being the thirteenth among them.

Seiji prepared his grand return from the dead, probably through Sawada, using something similar to the Juunimon ritual to hijack the Experiment, this involved killing dozens of people, probably both to hijack the experiment and disrupt Juuzo's plan, this is why the head experiment, Taketatsu and the prospect maiden were chosen.

The first experiment was planned by Juuzo and was run in a controlled environment. The second one was planned by Seiji and was run by manipulating some unwitting sods. That is probably what caused the deaths of hundreds, I am not convinced that was a requirement.

There was no hijacking in a sense that Juuzo wasn't ready with his second experiment. What happened here, happened spontaneously without much preparation on anyone's but Seiji's part.

It's strange, though, that Kayano didn't realize she was 'dead' if there was no prior notice about the experiment, so I am not too sure about that point.

The mass murder was just the set-up for Seiji own version of the Juunimon ritual, thus seems that at least one sleeping agent is involved, Sawada, who most likely organized the mass murder as well at the behest of Seiji.

Agreed. Though I see it as a by-product of Seiji's plan rather than the plan itself.

Tokigawa willingly partecipated in the preparations, killings, that he is a sleeping agent is unknown.

No evidence. The only person he was implied to kill is Usui, but he didn't have a gun or any other weapon on him. Also, if Usui died of a gun wound, why would Tokigawa have his clothes stained? He would have had to shoot him at a point-blank distance. So... does that mean they talked?

Something happened between the two, and we do not know what yet.

Somerthing didn't work as planned, see the fact that we possessed Seiji's body, others seems to have done the same.

Alternatively, that was also planned. Kayano expected that, at least. What she didn't expect was to find Seiji underneath.

Juuzo tried to regain control of the whole affair by trying to rescue Mitsuki and turning Uehara against Seiji.

Rescue Mitsuki? Did you not notice what happened to her at the end of the third night and who were the men responsible?

 

[Akkudakku]

Sawada Maeda Amanozaki

 

[Kz3r0]

The first experiment was planned by Juuzo and was run in a controlled environment. The second one was planned by Seiji and was run by manipulating some unwitting sods. That is probably what caused the deaths of hundreds, I am not convinced that was a requirement.

You are probably right, I added this to my previous post:

2)
By interfering with the experiment using Sawada as an agent Seiji unleashed the Gosts' malice, by consequence everyone got influenced in some way and the killing started.
So Tokigawa's revenge was a consequence of him being influenced by the malice instead that being part of a planned set-up.

Rescue Mitsuki? Did you not notice what happened to her at the end of the third night and who were the men responsible?

For his purposes of course, rescue wass ambiguous admittedly.

 

[Nevill]

Alright, so we have Uehara-Sakimura pair ready. Of the rest only Sakaki and Amanozaki form another one.

The question is, where do Maeda and Sawada go. Is it possible for Maeda to have connections to the Saint Xavier Private Academy? It's not unfathomable:

From the look of their blazers, they probably go to a rather exclusive private academy – and that is as far as you get before the tall one shouts.

The academy does look like something that is exquisite enough to be an establishment funded by wealthy families for wealthy families.

On the other hand, Sakaki might have some ties with Kaimei, too. Amanozaki blabbered something about us belonging to the Organization. Did she mean Kaimei?

That's probably not related to Maeda, though, the girl does not seem to be aware of everything that is going under the hood. But let's give it a try.

I. Sakimura Yuuki
II. Uehara Shizuka
V. Sawada Junichi

Hm. I wonder if Kayano should have been paired with Sawada. Maybe they are from the same intelligence agency.

Though Mr. Jun is yet to show us any of his physical abilities.

 

[Nevill]

Achtung. I just noticed this:

“Wow, that was great, Nami-nee!” exclaims Sakimura.

“Call me that again and I will remove your testicles.” Maeda turns her attention back to the computer and begins searching through the folders.

Sakimura called her Nami-nee. Does that mean they have met before? He certainly didn't call Mori 'Akio-niisan', and he never, to my knowledge, addressed us as 'Adachi'.

I suspect there is something here apart from his usual carelessness.

So perhaps Maeda could be grouped with him?

Also, I have a feeling that either Mitsuki or Okuyama are related to the Tendou family somehow.

 

[Kz3r0]

Achtung. I just noticed this:

“Wow, that was great, Nami-nee!” exclaims Sakimura.

“Call me that again and I will remove your testicles.” Maeda turns her attention back to the computer and begins searching through the folders.

Sakimura called her Nami-nee. Does that mean they have met before? He certainly didn't call Mori 'Akio-niisan', and he never, to my knowledge, addressed us as 'Adachi'.

I suspect there is something here apart from his usual carelessness.

So perhaps Maeda could be grouped with him?

Well, we don't have any clue about any relationships apart the obvious ones, this could be good as any,

 

[Rex Feral]

Though Mr. Jun is yet to show us any of his physical abilities.

I think he did restrain Sakimura without effort, all while he threw Seiji a folding knife.

 

[Kz3r0]

So Nevill , Rex Feral , can we agree on this combination then?
I. Sakimura Yuuki
II. Uehara Shizuka
IV. Maeda Nami

Probably Maeda is an ex-alumn of the same school as Uehara and Sakimura, a tenuous connection, if exist at all, but is not that there are more compelling reasons to add Sawada.

 

[Kz3r0]

I think he did restrain Sakimura without effort, all while he threw Seiji a folding knife.

Maybe Nevil was right and he is really some kind of special agent, after all organizing all this and sending spoofed e-mails to people requires some bit of training.
At this point I think that Seiji, Sawada and Kaiano were part of the same organization, this would explain Seiji' skills in handling a national level karateka and why he called Kaiano sensei, she should have been his instructor.

 

[Nevill]

So Nevill , Rex Feral , can we agree on this combination then?

I don't know.

So far we have been spot-on with the current combination, but botched the previous one completely.

Amanozaki mentioned that her name is a pseudonym. I wonder if her family name isn't SPOILERS. I also wonder who is that 'boss' her father works for. There might be a connection with the Maeda family, who, having fell on hard times, was forced to do their business in a less refined manner. She also mentioned a part of her life she left behind. I wonder if that part doesn't involve one of the others, like Taketatsu.

I have to say, I find the chances that Sakaki and Sawada might know each other greater than that Maeda and Sakaki are acquintanced.

Let's try it.

I. Sakimura Yuuki
II. Uehara Shizuka
IV. Maeda Nami

Tally

Kz3r0 I, II, IV
ERYFKRAD I, V, VI
Rex Feral I, II, IV
Akkudakku I, II, IV
Nevill I, II, IV
Lambchop19 I, II, VI
Grimgravy I, II, IV
Baltika9 I, II, IV
Saver of Things II, III, V/VI

I - 8 (Sakimura)
II - 8 (Uehara)
III - 1 (Sakaki)
IV - 6 (Maeda)
V - 1? (Sawada)
VI - 2? (Amanozaki)

 

[Kz3r0]

Amanozaki mentioned that her name is a pseudonym. I wonder if her family name isn't SPOILERS. ...
She also mentioned a part of her life she left behind. I wonder if that part doesn't involve one of the others, like Taketatsu.

Wait, didn't she suspected us to be part of some organization?
If we assume that Seiji, Sawada and Kaiano were all in the same organization the possibility that Amazonaki was part of that same organization as well increase.
So pairing her with Sawada is not such a bad idea after all.

 

[Nevill]

Wait, didn't she suspected us to be part of some organization?

Yes... but I thought she was talking about the Kaimei group.

“Indeed, throughout the years there have always been rumours that Ikei was built where black, twisted ruins of old Kaimei Hospital once stood. Of course, they have merely remained rumours to the general public. Vested interests – those from The Organization, shall we say – have kept the information suppressed. The story of Kaimei is a tangled web of conspiracy, Shinoseki-san. Are you sure you want to hear more about it? There will be no turning back afterwards.”

Who else would cover up that scandal?

Sawada does not seem to belong to Kaimei, and Seiji's involvement with Special Ops is doubtful.

 

[Kz3r0]

Here it is:

How… how did you even come to such a conclusion? Are you a spy for the Organization!?” Amanozaki bites her thumb and begins muttering under her breath.

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