I'm dense at Planescape: Torment combat

[Robespierre]

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[Lilura]

You can make a good mage with these stats:

9 STR, 9 CON, 9 DEX, 17 WIS, 16 INT, 15 CHA

This gives you all the stats you need to pass checks right off the bat, and you can pump all levelup points into CON. Use the +2 tattoos to raise WIS, INT and CHA further.

- grab the +1 to WIS from the corpse bar for the extra XP
- Become mage as soon as you leave the mortuary so all XP points go to mage class
- get mazed by the Lady of Pain for some early loot

Notable early spells include magic missle and horror. There is also a nice dagger in the mausoleum quest.

+ get specialization in weapon
+ go through the Circle of Zerthimon dialogue ASAP

High wis is important not just for the checks but also for the up to 35% bonus to exp pt. yield at wis 25.

 

[Monkeyfinger]

When moving through any area with enemies in it, always manually put morte at the front of your group.

 

[the_shadow]

Weird. I played a mage and sunk all my points into Int, Wis and Cha to open up all the extras in the story, and don't recall struggling with the combat. Doesn't TNO regenerate as well?

 

[Robespierre]

Weird. I played a mage and sunk all my points into Int, Wis and Cha to open up all the extras in the story, and don't recall struggling with the combat. Doesn't TNO regenerate as well?

He does but very slowly, and the regenerate rate depends on his CON.

 

[Gunnar]

Weird. I played a mage and sunk all my points into Int, Wis and Cha to open up all the extras in the story, and don't recall struggling with the combat. Doesn't TNO regenerate as well?

He does but very slowly, and the regenerate rate depends on his CON.

You can solo all of the combat in the game as any class, but I can see newbies getting wrecked by the respawning groups of thugs in the Hive.

High CON gives insanely fast regeneration rate.

If you don't take any companions and give all XP to TNO alone he will level up quickly and give lots of CP to spend.

 

[Robespierre]

Weird. I played a mage and sunk all my points into Int, Wis and Cha to open up all the extras in the story, and don't recall struggling with the combat. Doesn't TNO regenerate as well?

He does but very slowly, and the regenerate regeneratioon (fixed) rate depends on his CON.

You can solo all of the combat in the game as any class, but I can see newbies getting wrecked by the respawning groups of thugs in the Hive.

High CON gives insanely fast regeneration rate.

If you don't take any companions and give all XP to TNO alone he will level up quickly and give lots of CP to spend.

True, but what is the point of playing Planescape solo? I understand it can be cool in combat-heavy games like Baldur's Gate or Icewind Dale, but in PS:T.... OP would miss so much and nice content (Grace's arc, Dak'kon's arc....). Anyway, after all the advices we gave him OP should be okay.

 

[Nekot-The-Brave]

Weird. I played a mage and sunk all my points into Int, Wis and Cha to open up all the extras in the story, and don't recall struggling with the combat. Doesn't TNO regenerate as well?

He does but very slowly, and the regenerate regeneratioon (fixed) rate depends on his CON.

You can solo all of the combat in the game as any class, but I can see newbies getting wrecked by the respawning groups of thugs in the Hive.

High CON gives insanely fast regeneration rate.

If you don't take any companions and give all XP to TNO alone he will level up quickly and give lots of CP to spend.

True, but what is the point of playing Planescape solo? I understand it can be cool in combat-heavy games like Baldur's Gate or Icewind Dale, but in PS:T.... OP would miss so much and nice content (Grace's arc, Dak'kon's arc....). Anyway, after all the advices we gave him OP should be okay.

Low NPC run is probably the best. So you can still do all the stuff for Grace, Dak'kon, but you also level up faster.

 

[Gunnar]

Weird. I played a mage and sunk all my points into Int, Wis and Cha to open up all the extras in the story, and don't recall struggling with the combat. Doesn't TNO regenerate as well?

He does but very slowly, and the regenerate regeneratioon (fixed) rate depends on his CON.

You can solo all of the combat in the game as any class, but I can see newbies getting wrecked by the respawning groups of thugs in the Hive.

High CON gives insanely fast regeneration rate.

If you don't take any companions and give all XP to TNO alone he will level up quickly and give lots of CP to spend.

True, but what is the point of playing Planescape solo? I understand it can be cool in combat-heavy games like Baldur's Gate or Icewind Dale, but in PS:T.... OP would miss so much and nice content (Grace's arc, Dak'kon's arc....). Anyway, after all the advices we gave him OP should be okay.

Low NPC run is probably the best. So you can still do all the stuff for Grace, Dak'kon, but you also level up faster.

A run with just dakkon is very good also, since he is the most powerful follower.

Another thing you can do- boot party members right before collecting XP rewards and then pick them right back up, since they don't go anywhere.

 

[TheHeroOfTime]

You click on one bad guy and watch your party attack automatically until they are all dead - with only the need to supervise and ensure everyone is attacking and not just standing around like the AI prefers. How is this an issue?

That works when I'm fighting against a small group of enemies. When they're more than 4 then I have to start running across the map trying to get them one by one. I'm was playing as a mage, not a good idea since I didn't get enough spells for it.

 

[TheHeroOfTime]

Did you know any form of "fast healing"? Can't rest anywhere and witouth that mechanic iI feel naked. Clearing the catacombs of "white bats", but I have to go back only to heal my companions (TNO heals automatically at least).

 

[Gunnar]

Did you know any form of "fast healing"? Can't rest anywhere and witouth that mechanic iI feel naked. Clearing the catacombs of "white bats", but I have to go back only to heal my companions (TNO heals automatically at least).

Use the blood drop items to heal. You can get them at the shop in the buried village. Steal a bunch of them if you dont mind reloading a few times. Otherwise, raid the crypts for loot and then buy them.

You can clear the crypt areas of monsters, but the bats and other enemies in the main catacomb area respawn.

What class are you playing? What are your stats?

 

[Ezeekiel]

It's been forever since I played this, but can't you just taunt enemies with morte and then kiss-of-death them with ffg or something equally lame?

 

[kmonster]

For fast healing high endurance works best. With 9 con you regenerate 1 HP every 60 seconds, the time decreases by 5 seconds for every additional con point, with 20 con you regenerate 1 HP every 5 seconds and if you have more even faster. But if your con is still 9-10 don't bother, it will take too long raising it, then maybe you'll find the tattoo which increases regeneration (sets regeneration to 1 HP every 15 seconds).

 

[the_shadow]

You click on one bad guy and watch your party attack automatically until they are all dead - with only the need to supervise and ensure everyone is attacking and not just standing around like the AI prefers. How is this an issue?

That works when I'm fighting against a small group of enemies. When they're more than 4 then I have to start running across the map trying to get them one by one. I'm was playing as a mage, not a good idea since I didn't get enough spells for it.

?!? Mage is by far the easiest class IMHO. Early on use Sleep/Horror CC, and get yourself the Missile of Patience spell and use it until it upgrades.

 

[TheHeroOfTime]

Ok so I just completed the part of going through a guetto to reach the place where Annah found the body of the genderless one. I talked too with the supermage that can kill you forever, rescued Morte and all the stuff.

There's any form to kill that gangsquad of thugs from the guetto instead of going through the back door? They killed all the time. There's a big number of them but mayber they are killable easily with a leveled up and prepared party. Also, in one fofthe tries in that zone when I revived in that cell-like room they still in "alert" mode , coming in and killing me over and over again while I couldn't do anything. I was forced to reload a previous savegame and try the safest way. This is exactly what happened to me when I tried to get out from the Buried village to Mebbeth zone and there's was another gangsquad trapping and killing me over and over again. Honestly, this kind of "cheesyness" it's dissapointing. While I'm enjoying the game for the obvious reasons, that kind of undhandling situations that force you to load a previous savegame are frustating as fuck. Are they a bug? Why the enemies don't come back to their respective zones and stop aggroing you when you die? There's a patch of something that I'm forgeting? I'm playing the 1.1 of the game.

Also, how the hell is supposed tho play without the resting everywhere option? Coming back to Mebbeth or similar everytime you want to heal? Managing your combat encounter and healing items to the extreme? I mean, you can obtain healing items "Easily", but I can't imagine people wasting them after getting their party hurt in a simple trashmob encounter.

 

[Neanderthal]

Trash Warren thugs? I just carved em up for xp an bit o loot, should be easy after you've got to Lower Ward. Bandages an needle an thread are good cheap healin items an all, available all oer shant, buy or find.

 

[Deleted Member 16721]

Playing on the highest difficulty and combat is not as bad as I've heard. It's not really that similar to the "big" IE games, though, and has more in common with the principles of the Konung series (another RTWP Infinity Engine RPG) than Baldur's Gate, IMO. Mostly it's a sort of "swarm RTWP" system like Konung 2.

Just got magic and that helps. The magic can be used strategically and to great affect. Haven't had any issues with having to rest yet, just keep healing items at all times and manage your spells wisely. I just had my best fight of the game so far last night, against a gang of Trash Warren Thugs. It required a lot of pausing, we were getting backed up and healing a lot, yet with a little persistence we took them all down. I used Blood Bridge, a spell that sacrifices some of the Nameless One's health to boost anothers, in this case Dak'kon since he is a beastly fighter. Just make sure to run when you're about to die, heal up and/or let your companions protect the Nameless One until you either heal or the battle is over. Sometimes I keep the Nameless One back and avoid getting hit while my companions act as bodyguards. And if they start getting hurt make sure to move them out of the scrum and heal them. Then I focus group attacks on a single character.

It's fun so far. I look forward to more of those longer fights that require more pausing and strategy.

 

[the_shadow]

It's been over a decade since I've played Planescape, and this thread has 'triggered' me. I'll be installing the game this weekend to see if it's really as difficult as everyone is saying.

 

[FeelTheRads]

Konung series (another RTWP Infinity Engine RPG)

So, seeing as it comes from fluentard I'm guessing this is based on the "citation needed" on Wikipedia because the people I've seen talking about it on forums say that's not true.

 

[TheHeroOfTime]

Keep in mind that I'm not saying that the game is very hard. I'm having some troubles with it, but I mention even in the title thread that it can be my fault. I'm actually trying to check it out. I never played a game with the IE before, the only cRPGs that I have played were the original Fallouts. And I never had any of this troubles with them.

 

[Naraya]

Well, I'm playing PS:T for the first time at the moment and for me it definitely isn't.

Dak'kon, Annah and Morte destroy everything - my TNO is a pure mage and I usually just hang around in the back casting a spell or two if I bother to.

It's also worth to mention that as a rule - I don't use any consumables.

 

[Deleted Member 16721]

I turned the difficulty up and I've died a lot, have had to use a lot of healing items as well. Certainly not a walk in the park especially when you can't rest and are jumped by thugs everywhere.

FeelTheRads Dunno for sure, but I'm looking at my boxed copy of Konung right now and it 100% looks like an Infinity Engine game. I've played nearly 40 hours of Konung 2 and while it certainly is a much different take on RTWP combat and an RPG in general, it also looks a lot like the Infinity Engine. Maybe play the game for yourself and see. They are interesting RPGs regardless if you don't mind a much different type of RPG that doesn't give a lot of control in combat but also that adds simulation elements to the game (building structures in towns, protecting villages from raiders and so on.)

Even if Konung 2 is not Inifnity Engine, the combat has more in common with that game than Baldur's Gate, IMO. Konung 2 is all about controlling your position, running when necessary to stay alive and regroup, then charge back in. There is much more control in PS:T, but the elements of running away from enemies to heal and the general "swarm combat" of PS:T are also in Konung 2.

 

[Neanderthal]

I'll once again recommend a combat build for OP, you won't have trouble wi owt bar Larvals in Undersigil, hard Rubikon constructs, Curst guards an some o harder fiends, even on hardest difficulty which I routinely play on. Trash Warren an Hive thugs'll be juicy bags o xp waitin for your axe.

I came to Sigil to update my journal an slaughter fools, an i'm all outta ink.