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[Higher Animal]

Mortal Kombat is laughed at by the competitive scene nearly as much as Soul Calibur is. Both of those franchises though are some of the most successful fighting game franchises.

I normally hate the sneering tone of Codexers towards games like Mass Effect, but you'd get the same response in the FGC if you think Mortal Kombat is one of the 'best' or consider it 'serious'. MKX is an earnest attempt to enter the competitive scene and they have put lots of money towards that, but I don't see it lasting. I put the entrance numbers mostly down to the fact it's a new game.

Looks like the FGC is already a joke when VF isn't represented in the top games.

That's one thing I agree on. Sadly the series reached its peak with VF3 and VF fans have been salty since then. I think it has certain other issues, such as the tiny roster of characters, lack of releases for many years and the fact it isn't amazing as a spectator sport.

I'll also add that bringing up VF in this conversation is totally irrelevant. MK is not a competitive game or even a particularly good fighting game, plain and simple. And you compare it with one of the most hardcore fighting games there is?

It's probably not true that VF3 is the peak of the franchise, and lack of representation in the FGC should at least give you perspective on the quality of opinions of those who partake.

 

[ArchAngel]

More, I'd say that it would be ridiculous to not categorise JA2 as a RPG when many games without fixed protagonist - like for example Icewind Dale are categorised as such.

It is a RPG and it's much richer in PnP features than most them.

JA2 should be filed under the strategy genre because it is first and foremost, a strategy game. It's rpg-like mechanics are there to enrich the gameplay. That it does a better job of implementing its rpg-like mechanics than actual rpgs is more of a criticism on those rpgs.

It is biggest in the west.

Yeah I don't know how you are drawing that conclusion. If we're going by Evo 2015 entrance numbers (an American hosted tournament) the number of entrants were:

• Ultra Street Fighter IV – 2227
• Super Smash Bros. for Wii U – 1926
• Super Smash Bros. Melee – 1869
• Mortal Kombat X – 1162
• Guilty Gear Xrd -SIGN- – 968
• Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 – 816
• Tekken 7 – 458
• Persona 4 Arena Ultimax – 437
• Killer Instinct – 397

From my own personal experience: MK is popular with my friends and colleagues who are not normally into fighting games, but play MK because they remember it from back in the arcades. It probably has the largest casual fanbase in the west, but not largest competitively.

OK. I was basing it on Twitch Viewer numbers.
And maybe people are laughing at it but that american asian guy that is best in SF in west got destroyed by everyone in MKX when he trained and tried to compete in it.

And this list that we are talking about is not comparing games through their competitive potential. MK series is still one of the unique ones and at least one part should be in the list.

 

[Archibald]

It's probably not true that VF3 is the peak of the franchise, and lack of representation in the FGC should at least give you perspective on the quality of opinions of those who partake.

Well EVO games line-up was brought up because someone claimed that Mortal Kombat is most popular competitive game in the west. Nobody is saying that its perfect representation of fighting games. Main problem why VF isn't showcased more in this tournament (from what I remember VF4 was for couple of years) is probably lack of new releases. VF5 is close to 10 years old now, we did get couple of revisions, but it was never a very popular game in the west and you aren't likely to attract many new people with revisions when you are lacking that critical mass in the first place.

OK. I was basing it on Twitch Viewer numbers.

Doesn't MKX have some in built streaming functionality? I'm not sure, but such functionality seams to be all the rage these days.

And maybe people are laughing at it but that american asian guy that is best in SF in west got destroyed by everyone in MKX when he trained and tried to compete in it.

Probably talking about Justin Wong? He is not best in USA at SF. Besides, stuff like this happens all the time and there aren't many people that are dominant in multiple games, unless specific game has relatively low level of competition.

 

[pakoito]

MKX got mad pot to promote the game, it had been paraded around in events for months. Soon after EVO ended their number of players dropped drastically. The only interesting thing since were the Yomi guys challenging SonicFox and failing, and PERFECT 13GEND losing to SonicFox 13-0 after badmouthing him for months. After that, deader than Mahvel until next release, minus the odd Tom Brady video.

 

[ArchAngel]

Well SFV is all rage now. Many of these players play multiple games.