Games like tactics ogre LUCT, and FFT

[Beans00]

Recently I replayed FFT, and did a run of tactics ogre LUCT(ps1 version). These are some of my favorite games ever.

I also recently replayed FFTA(not a fan but havent played since like 2006), and half of tactics ogre knight of lodis(beat it 15-20 years ago, not a fan got bored).

So, I'm looking for SRPGs similar to fft and luct. Loved these games since I had them on the ps1 as a kid. I'm not a fan of the gba games, never played FFTA2 for the ds.

The other srpgs I remember playing was vandal hearts, which I also had on ps1. I didn't care for it and I can't remember why.
I also played bahumuts lagoon on emulator as a kid. I barely remember it. I think I dabbled in shining force as well but didn't get far.


I have beaten fell seal, which was ok but really heavy on the status effects which made combat kind of tedious.


If you have any suggestions I am interested. I have never played a fire emblem game. Not sure if they are similar. I also plan on trying the gold box games in the near future, obviously not jrpgs but grid based turn based ect ect.

 

[Nutmeg]

The best of the height mapped, square grid based, move one unit a turn games is Gungnir, from the ones I have played.

Front Mission 5 and Covenant of the Plume are good too, though those are move your whole army a turn games.

Likewise, Wild Arms XF is good, but that's on a hex grid.

Fire Emblem 5, 7 and 12 are great but they are two big design points removed being non-height mapped and whole army a turn games.

 

[Damned Registrations]

You could check out the Disgaea franchise/spinoffs, depending on what aspects of the games you're into. I recommend the first two; they've got better writing and have more than enough features/content. Obviously a totally different atmosphere, they're very tongue in cheek. If you're after the kind of buildporn FFT offered, that's about as close as you can get, but it's obviously got very different mechanics and ways to exploit the system. Don't listen to people that say it's all about grinding levels- the point of the game isn't to fight 9000 battles to beat the next challenge, it's to fight 3 battles against enemies 300 times your current level by mastering the systems and cheesing the fuck out of your enemies. La Pucelle has a more serious atmosphere iirc if that's a hangup. Makai Kingdom is my personal favourite but it's very weird and involves features like vehicles and spawning in terrain during a battle.

There's fire emblem too, which is like a half step above shining force in terms of complexity. They're both very simple in combat, but have a lot of charming characters. Good for a comfy/chill game to zone out and kill time with.

Front Mission series is a thing too if you're into mechs and guns.

My personal recommendation would be Brigandine, either the original or Runersia. I've played both and they've both got their nice aspects. Very cool games with a lot of depth; Runersia offers a lot more challenge. Assuming you don't savescum.

 

[Nutmeg]

They're both very simple in combat, but have a lot of charming characters. Good for a comfy/chill game to zone out and kill time with.

Fire Emblem (not all, only 1, 3, 4*, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12) can be played much more seriously than FFT. First of all the game actually has par turn counts to chase, and the highest ranks require a lot of thought and planning to achieve without save scumming. Second of all, you can't just grind your way around a hard fight.

FFT is the comfy no brain game, IMO. In fact to squeeze any challenge out of it at all, you have to ignore a good chunk of possible builds and skip a good chunk of the content.

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

The Banner Saga trilogy. The games get easier as they go on, first game is the hardest.

Trails in the Sky. Grid combat similar to FFT, but without the elevation. The characters have preset abilities so no customizing their skills, but you can tweak their stats and what spells they can cast.

Aselia the Spirit of Eternity Sword (no grid). Has a turn limit that will require you save scum a lot if you want to S-rank every mission, but you can ignore the turn limit and go at a leisurely pace and still beat the game.

Vanguard Bandits grid SRPG with minimal customization. Basically The Vision of Escaflowne but as a SRPG.

 

[Nutmeg]

Aselia the Spirit of Eternity Sword

Hey wow something I haven't heard of.

Has a turn limit

Um yes please!

 

[Damned Registrations]

Depends a ton on which FE game, tbh. Some of them are a complete snorefest, others are outright sadistic if you're not savescumming and/or looking up guides (looking at you Thracia!) Also, you can absolutely grind your way out of the difficulty curve, and it's just as tedious as making a punching circle in FFT.

Trying to get low turn counts is certainly a challenge, but seems just as arbitrary to me as playing with no magic classes or something like that. It's impossible to do without advanced knowledge, you'll just end up missing all the characters and weapons. FFT does turn into a complete joke if you use the holy knights or a few of the less balanced classes for sure. But if you're playing blind, you're not likely to unlock those classes very early if you're not grinding. Most difficulty in either game is self inflicted or bullshit RNG.

 

[Nutmeg]

Trying to get low turn counts is certainly a challenge, but seems just as arbitrary to me

I think the LTC thing started among Japanese TBS players (not just FE, IIRC it was Nectaris or probably even earlier with Daisenryaku) as a social thing, and then the developers picked up on it and decided to give players letter ranks based on turn counts and unit survival among other things. Anyway, you're right it's arbitrary in the games that don't acknowledge your turn counts at all, but in the ones that do you could argue that the maps were indeed designed around chasing turn counts as the primary challenge beyond merely beating them, so it's not exactly "arbitrary" in that case.

 

[Damned Registrations]

I mean, if it gives you an actual ranking, I suppose. Just tracking them doesn't mean much though, FFT tracks the days but nobody would suggest a minimum day count.

My real problem with the low turn count thing is it'd be a terrible way to play the game blind because of how FE games dole out characters and items. They're bad enough even when taking your time. Trying to get low turn counts would basically mean skipping half the characters and items.

 

[Nutmeg]

Trying to get low turn counts would basically mean skipping half the characters and items.

You'll end up missing a good chunk anyway when playing blind because FE games are littered with obtuse JRPG trigger design (rooted deeply, going all the way back to the Tower of Druaga), in this case taking the form of "visit this particular house with this particular character before the bandits burn it down on turn 6, oh and you can only get that character 5 maps back if you talk to him with another particular character, oh and if you don't visit the house now you lock yourself out of recruiting that character's sister 3 maps later where you also need to steal the boss' sword".

 

[Damned Registrations]

Trying to get low turn counts would basically mean skipping half the characters and items.

You'll end up missing a good chunk anyway when playing blind because FE games are littered with obtuse JRPG trigger design, in this case taking the form of "visit this house with this character before the bandits burn it down on turn 6".

Like I said, they're already bad enough while taking your time. Of course, you'll also get punished for visiting the house too early, or without backup nearby to solve the ambush, or just by RNG dictating that the NPC you're trying to rescue walked into enemies, missed all his 90% hit chances and ate two crits in a row.

Or my personal favourite: getting a character killed because YOU rolled a crit, killed an enemy, thereby allowing a second enemy to come into that spot and attack as well to finish you off.

I think FE games in general are for people that like to route things out after they know how things unfold and don't mind a massive dose of RNG. Not my cup of tea, which is a shame because I love the aesthetics, especially the last 2D console games. Gameplay wise, I'm much more interested in turning shitty level 1 characters into lategame powerhouses, or figuring out the most overpowered class/skill/equipment combinations that will let one character do the work of 3 of the same level with more generic builds.

 

[Lord of Riva]

They're both very simple in combat, but have a lot of charming characters. Good for a comfy/chill game to zone out and kill time with.

Fire Emblem (not all, only 1, 3, 4*, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12) can be played much more seriously than FFT. First of all the game actually has par turn counts to chase, and the highest ranks require a lot of thought and planning to achieve without save scumming. Second of all, you can't just grind your way around a hard fight.

FFT is the comfy no brain game, IMO. In fact to squeeze any challenge out of it at all, you have to ignore a good chunk of possible builds and skip a good chunk of the content.

Whats that * on 4?

It's the best game in the series.

 

[Nutmeg]

I think FE games in general are for people that like to route things out after they know how things unfold and don't mind a massive dose of RNG

Routing? Certainly. RNG? It's about either manipulating it (mega gay, IMO) or very carefully mitigating it (can be good). I very much agree that the absolutely wild RNG is a poor fit for the emphasis on survival and routing, very awkward and schizophrenic. Fire Emblem's sister series Advance Wars gets RNG and chasing turn counts right, by both toning the RNG down and ofc. having much less emphasis on unit survival.

Whats that * on 4?

Maps are too big and long and full of turns where all you do is move units across vast stretches of nothing, and the *completely fixed* RNG plus the always available, consequence free arena to advance it make for extremely tedious play. It is a beautiful game tho and very ambitious in its rule set in a good way. My aesthetic favorite by far.

 

[Lord of Riva]

Maps are too big and long and full of turns where all you do is move units across vast stretches of nothing, and the *completely fixed* RNG plus the always available, consequence free arena to advance it make for extremely tedious play. It is a beautiful game tho and very ambitious in its rule set in a good way. My aesthetic favorite by far.

I see, I concur, that is a reasonable opinion.

 

[n0wh3r3]

Tear Ring Saga.

I would also recommend the Front Mission remakes but everyone here would hate me. So let's heare why those games suck in your opinion.

Other titles:

Redemption Reapers
Triangle Strategy
Banner of the Maid

 

[Lord of Riva]

Tear Ring Saga.

I would also recommend the Front Mission remakes but everyone here would hate me. So let's here why those games suck in your opinion.

Other titles:

Redemption Reapers
Triangle Strategy
Banner of the Maid

Why play the remakes?

The original Front mission is great (a bit easy maybe), looks great and can be played via emulation.

 

[Vincente]

 

[Beans00]

FFT is the comfy no brain game, IMO. In fact to squeeze any challenge out of it at all, you have to ignore a good chunk of possible builds and skip a good chunk of the content.

I don't consider fft a particularly hard game, although it does have some hard battles early on if you don't grind. Chapter 4 is a complete cakewalk.

Are the FE games harder than TO LUCT? Some people consider LUCT hard but I don't have a problem with it at all. Generally difficulty doesn't me as long as it's not overly tedious.


In TO knights of lodis, the game is super tedious because every enemy has a million heals, and it's harder to land hits so every fight takes long as fuck. I prefer LUCT's difficulty with everyone being fragile.

 

[deuxhero]

Are the FE games harder than TO LUCT?

Depends on which one. Some are actually hard, some have weird as designs that demands specific strategies (10), and some are made to be playable by retards (13, 14 BR),

 

[mediocrepoet]

Good thread, good suggestions, had to double check that I was still on the Codex.

Anyway, most anything I can think of has already been mentioned, but Disgaea 1 is cheap and often on sale for next to nothing and was a solid SRPG. Probably my favourite one of its era. Some of the dumb humour even made me laugh.

 

[Abu Antar]

I would also recommend the Front Mission series. You get to play around with mechs instead of classes, though. You get some customization options. My favorite is the 3rd installment, with its two campaigns.

While the Ogre Battle games aren't the same as Tactics Ogre/FFT, I would still recommend them, because they are made by the same studio, and lead. If you end up liking the games, I would recommend Unicorn Overlord.

Devil Survivor 1 and 2 are very heavy on the anime side, but boy are they good games. You only control four active characters, but you are also collecting demons. Each character can have two companion demons. Tactical, and challenging if you don't know what you're doing.

If you don't mind emulation, I would recommend Jeanne D'Arc. I wouldn't call it top tier, but it is decent enough. The same goes for Gungnir.

Further, if you don't mind emulating Nintendo games, I would also recommend Valkyrie Profile: Covenant of the Plume, that offers a few routes, and you'll probably want to play all three.

The Shining Force games are also comfy af.

Other than these, basically what everyone else said. There's a shitton of other games, but these are probably the easiest ones to get into.

 

[Lord of Riva]

Devil survivor 1 is a lot better than two and a lot less "Animu"

I can also recommend "Der Langrisser" it's one if not my favorite game, the orginal SNES version, not the remake though that is a bit more coherent gameplay wise.

It's the only SRPG where I feel that choices actually matter, there are 4 very divergent paths through the game that are unlocked depending on actions taken in the stages that make total sense:

For example to leave the standard (light) path you need to avoid killing the sub-commanders of your enemy, he will hate your guts if you do as they are his friends but will offer you to join their side if you don't. In other words the characters action makes sense in the games world and that is much appreciated, even though it is a way more traditional story setup compared to things like FFT.

You will need to find a translated Rom for it, or buy the remake on steam, the story is the same in either version.

 

[n0wh3r3]

Tear Ring Saga.

I would also recommend the Front Mission remakes but everyone here would hate me. So let's here why those games suck in your opinion.

Other titles:

Redemption Reapers
Triangle Strategy
Banner of the Maid

Why play the remakes?

Why not?

 

[n0wh3r3]

Devil survivor 1 is a lot better than two and a lot less "Animu"

I can also recommend "Der Langrisser" it's one if not my favorite game, the orginal SNES version, not the remake though that is a bit more coherent gameplay wise.

It's the only SRPG where I feel that choices actually matter, there are 4 very divergent paths through the game that are unlocked depending on actions taken in the stages that make total sense:

For example to leave the standard (light) path you need to avoid killing the sub-commanders of your enemy, he will hate your guts if you do as they are his friends but will offer you to join their side if you don't. In other words the characters action makes sense in the games world and that is much appreciated, even though it is a way more traditional story setup compared to things like FFT.

You will need to find a translated Rom for it, or buy the remake on steam, the story is the same in either version.

I would opt for the remake.

 

[Lord of Riva]

Tear Ring Saga.

I would also recommend the Front Mission remakes but everyone here would hate me. So let's here why those games suck in your opinion.

Other titles:

Redemption Reapers
Triangle Strategy
Banner of the Maid

Why play the remakes?

Why not?

They look bad even compared to the originals.

My question was not a rhetorical one, I'm not a graphics whore, the question was: "Is there a reason why I would play the remakes over the orignals when I am neither bothered by graphic nor gameplay, ergo are they somehow drastically different and better compared to the original in ways I don't know about"

EDIT: As said on the Langrisser part, I also own the Remake as the special edition, in fact I have physical editions of all variants of the game, because I'm a retarded fanboy, the remake has good aspects I still prefer the original though.