Fallout Fallout: The Frontier - New Vegas mod set in Portland and full of prosperous content

[Malamert]

So, one of the developers, Phobos, talks about being a "tough guy construction worker" yet complains about "toxic masculinity" on his Twitter. Funny, I have family who work in labor and they never complained about "toxic masculinity". Here is his twitter page for all of you to enjoy: https://twitter.com/Phobos_95

Can you tell that he is ass mad?

Fallout 4 character as his avatar. What a giant fucking faggot with shit tastes.

 

[eXalted]

Wow mod drama, much surprise, such unexpected.

Good night.

 

[RangerBoo]

Okay, so me and a friend of mine went through chapter 70 of that ghoul rape fanfic. All I can say is:

Here is an excerpt from it: (Warning! Contains rape and cuck porn.)

Spoiler

“He dropped down to his knees, grabbed the shotgun from her, and tossed it behind him. With a growl, he pushed her down and held down her arms. She had been turned on by his words in spite of herself, but now she was terrified. He pressed himself against her legs before she could get a good kick in. He started biting her neck, looking at Burke the whole time.

"You just gonna stand there while I fuck your woman? You ain't got no dick at all."

This chick is mentally deranged. She's warped. I am very much grossed out and sickened. I lost my appetite reading this and I can't get the images out of my head. I've always stated that female fans are the worst fans of any fandoms due to the fact that many of them use characters from entertainment as a means to project their repressed sexual desires and degeneracy. This takes it too a whole other level. I think I am going to go take a shower and read some Solomon Kane or Louis L'Amour stories to try to forget what I saw.

 

[Malamert]

Contains rape

Based.

and cuck porn.

Nigger stop.

 

[DeepOcean]

I know, right? Quality is not easy. I do a bit of writing for myself and I cannot feel that anything I write is but massive drek. Some people who have read said they liked it. I read my material later on and consider it even more massive drek. Today I feel even more organized, wiser, with more organized ideas and plotting, and yet I still feel like I absolutely suck.

Yeah, feel the pain, always wanted to write, sometimes I GM people on the rare opportunity I get to find a group, tried some short stories to really try something and shiet, you write stuff, two days later you read it and you think "who was the retard that did this?". I mean... dammit, you having an analytical brain just doesnt work on your favor some times.

 

[Major_Blackhart]

This is all really really disappointing. I support the future Enclave purging all mutants in about 80 years or so.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

When this pandemic ends, I'm going to try and go to the local tabletop group. Always wanted to GM my own Fallout adventure myself

If that does not pan out, make it play by post and toss me an invite if you do not mind.

 

[The Dutch Ghost]

Yeah, feel the pain, always wanted to write, sometimes I GM people on the rare opportunity I get to find a group, tried some short stories to really try something and shiet, you write stuff, two days later you read it and you think "who was the retard that did this?". I mean... dammit, you having an analytical brain just doesnt work on your favor some times.

God I know how you and everyone here who would like to write stories or game campaigns feel about their own stuff.
You feel it lacks nuance, or proper research, or a degree of realism that really draws in people, or that it is well build up and planned out, or that it is clever, or at least somewhat realistic and not a pale imitation of other writers and creators whose work you have seen.

I feel like such a fucking hack myself, that is one of the reasons why I don't feel like putting time into any of my story ideas.

 

[RangerBoo]

A guy from Rostok K comment section name Gr8Sc0tt came up with an idea on how to make The Frontier at least salvageable. I asked him if I can post his ideas and he gave me the okay.

Spoiler

you know how easy it would be to rewrite this mod? The "Legion" in this mod are frumentarii dispatched as advisors to the three prospective tribes, and are try to establish a slave trading route from Oregon to Legion territory, and some of the slavers are survivors from the Den from fallout 2. The Legion path would involve you helping to soothe relations between the three tribes who had been at odds previously, but entered a tenuous alliance with each other in response to the NCR's expansion (something New California was trying to go for with the Raider Alliance, which I think was one of the better aspects of the mod even though they portrayed the NCR as being fuck ups when by that point in the Fallout timeline they were in their prime) and leading them in raids and ambushes. Still a bit of combat, but nothing like fighting waves upon waves of troops. If you have good legion rep and bear the mark of Caesar, one of the frumentarii is dispatched by Caesar to take you to the Frontier since, given the distance communication between the legion and these frumentarii would be spotty at best and given that you've proven your loyalty, he'd trust you to be his agent. Caesar is known for letting his frumentarii have autonomy to carry out his will however they see fit, but that autonomy is both a blessing and a curse considering Ulysses ditched him. They could still try and play this "northern legion" angle but with a different Frumentarii character and between the infighting of the tribes and some of the more byzantine elements with the friction between the frumentarii agents and you can effectively decide whether these tribes formulate into an independent legion with the head being a regional warlord, staying true to Caesar, or having these tribes abandon the frontier. However, the worst ending you can get is that the tribes break their alliance to each other and essentially destroy each other if you're shit at charisma/speech/barter or melee/unarmed (challenging the different tribal chieftans as another avenue so you aren't a complete fuck up)
The Crusaders are probably their most original idea, and honestly I fucking LOVED the idea behind them (Mormon knights Templar? Sign me up!). I was probably hyped the most about them when I saw their trailer; then I got to the mod and all they are is literally just the FO4 brotherhood. "Do fetch quests for each of the members! Find a printer....for a blueprint.....because I can't read the blueprint file on a computer....". I was very disappointed by this faction, didn't outright hate them like I did with the exiles, but some of these members are absolute cringe. I think alot of the backstory here makes sense, reading from their website the Crusaders were in Portland before as part of a Mormon mission to the city but upon returning to New Canaan, found it smoldering....but then they head back instead of crusading against General Gobbledigook and his White Legs. Plus there was barely anything resembling their religion in this faction, no missionaries just some references here and there. Just felt like a recolored Brotherhood offshoot. There wouldn't be too much to change here regarding the backstory. Tasha was apart of a mormon mission to Portland and the mormons established themselves here, along with her Brotherhood followers. However, instead of heading back to New Canaan and Salt Lake and just kinda shrugging her shoulders and heading back to crusade against the NCR instead of gobbledigook and Legion for...reasons, the Mormon settlement in the Frontier gets attacked, resulting in her taking up arms along with the rest of the mission and Brotherhood forming the Crusaders and gets too entrenched in the war to head back for Salt Lake. The Crusaders here should be absolute zealots (since they kinda are) and there should be a way as a neutral Courier to make peace between the Crusaders and NCR like in the mod; helping Tasha on her vengeful and dumb crusade against the NCR, recentering her to march for Salt Lake (which is the historical point to a crusade; reclaim a holy city) or helping other more Brotherhood loyal members bring them back into the fold of the Brotherhood (maybe play an angle with the Circle of Steel marking Tasha and the Round Table for assassination), also adding mormon missionaries to neutral settlements and such to display that they actually are a religious sect as well.
The NCR on the frontier aren't exiles, but The Frontier is the place that the NCR places their more malcontent officers and troops (the exiles are clearly still patriots but hate Kimballs' presidency so that wouldn't change and this would be the most vocal of the malcontent officers and troops since its evident by alot of the dialogue from the NCR characters that they don't like Kimball nor Oliver, but orders are orders). Still NCR, but think like the wall from Game Of Thrones, no one really wants to go there unless they're forced to because they wronged someone with enough political power. Blackthorne can stay who he is without significant character change, except NCR here have to resort to guerilla warfare and the general secretly tries to hire you. There can still be tanks and vehicles but the tanks need to be made operational and you can help build them up. They were just sent up north to help facilitate NCR expansion and protecting their settlers. They never actually expected much in the way of resistance except for in the way of the occasional tribal raid until the Frumentarii started organizing them and the Slavers. They could even add in a subplot about the NCR senate's corruption with a senator who's been indirectly supporting the slave trade not knowing about the Frumentarii, or going more balls to the wall, a subplot about a Senators' family member being kidnapped and held hostage by said Frumentarii/slavers, making the NCR turn its head and breathe down Blackthorne's neck even more. You could even go for being an NCR spy and reverse uno the Legion alliance and the Crusaders through a series of side quests of espionage (since the team just loved Metal Gear) and framing tribes for different murders, enlisting the aid of neutral settlements and factions somewhat similar to the base game (like a faction of scavengers and engineers who could help them fix up their tanks and Vertibirds), the Network would have major significance instead of being entirely irrelevant (a fucking nearly all knowing information broker/hacker? Doing his quests should have given the player ideas on what things different paths you can pursue to dismantle the other hostile factions, and dirt on Congress/Kimball and Oliver)
Also the liberator isn't some airship but an EMP to cripple NCR from their reconstruction effort meant to be used as a bluff (which would also anger the Circle of Steel and Crusaders). Also, no Enclave maybe except Exclave you can find for side quests like Granite Company, no Archimedes II since what did it really add aside from a macguffin that actually goes entirely against the established canon and is a complete plot hole? Archimedes II is a SATELLITE that is UNPOWERED unless you send the power from Helios One up to the satellite. A SATELLITE not a SPACE STATION. Furthermore, if we're going by the logic of the mod why would the Enclave just let a rando mailman run around with one of their C-Finders from the base game? They have a whole garrison up there with space vertibirds, they could have easily ambushed the Courier or hell, marched into Freeside and kill the kid who had their C-Finder (since MUH NAZI'S) and just hopped right on their vertibird and flew away. Also how could they live on an unpowered space station? It makes 0 sense and may have been a nice spectacle in theory, but in practice that fucking space station is atrocious for performance. Act 4 can largely remain the same except the hallucination sequence isn't a horror sequence but instead a point where you can explore character motivations and flashbacks through the couriers journey. Imagine how much of a true magnum opus of a mod it'd be if the hallucination explored the Couriers previous choices like the fate of Primm, Goodsprings, the Powder Gangers, the Bright Followers, the platinum chip or even the DLCs like what happened to the Zion Tribes and characters in Dead Money? Finally, if you've been passing enough checks and have been collecting enough evidence you can call Dolus out in Act 5 in front of the General and the rest of the NCR. Dolus can still be who he is without significant character changes (a triple agent for the Legion, Blackthorne and Congress/Kimball keeping tabs on Blackthorne and the malcontent units), OR actually join him in assassinating Blackthorn if you so wished on behalf of Congress/Kimball (or for money) and flip his true allegiance via blackmail (think like Elijah and the Courier collab possibly, where in the DM non-canon ending they cause another apocalypse).
TL;DR: NCR exiles aren't exiles, just a minor theatre full of more elements who oppose Kimball and Olivers hegemony. Legion are just a collective of agents who aligned Tribes against the NCR expansion hoping to form them into Legion material, Enclave are shut ins like the Brotherhood in the Mojave and aren't "objectively evil", Crusaders are actual Crusaders who are entrenched in war between the two factions and want to eventually crusade to retake Salt Lake after the NCR expansions' been curtailed and Legion tribes destroyed and the Slave Trade dismantled. Add more grounds for a neutral Courier and the story would have been much more passable.

This actually has some pretty good ideas I thought. A least it would have made some sense and isn't full of nonsensical cringe.

 

[RangerBoo]

So apparently, Phobos is banning the other devs that are criticizing the mod for it's fetish fuel.

"Love how Phobos went on such a shit fit tantrum in the discord server over banning everyone who criticises the mod (including other members of the dev team) without bothering to file any ban reasons that even the other devs/jannies started seething at him. When he does file ban reasons 90% of the time it's just "transphobia/ableism" anyway ecksdee."

This just keeps getting better.

 

[lightbane]

Before, , weaklings used race as a shield to defend poor decisions (or blatant attacks on other people). Now it's all about being a transfreak. What will be next?

So apparently, Phobos is banning the other devs that are criticizing the mod for it's fetish fuel.

In before the mod is taken out from Nexus, hopefully.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

And nobody is surprised in the least that this was developed by trannies and furries.

Mental disorders can be arranged on a spectrum from most creative to least.

On one side you have your trannies, furries, any disorder that's predominately female, and such. People who are so creatively bankrupt that their only goal in life is to not be themselves. Just imagine a big picture of Anthony Burch in a dress as the visual representation.
On the other side you have the fun crazy people. Your schizos, your whackjobs, chronic alcoholics, and some tweakers. This is Terry Davis land. People like MCA, who was wasted 24/7, are a good representation of this in video games.

 

[kangaxx]

I have less than zero interest in playing the mod, but this thread is too good to ignore.

 

[Surf Solar]

Reading through this thread was depressing, why are trannies and degenerates fucking everywhere. It makes me sick to my stomach and gives me a bad mood ffs

 

[Zer0wing]

Hmmm... hmmm... so you are telling me there are two kinds of foot fetishists, the wholesome ones who appreciate clean feet and the ones who appreciate foul smelling feet? And the degenerates are the later?

There's appreciation and there's degenerates ruining everything, same with foul anus smelling, bbw and scat fetishists.

Come to think of it, female tits are the most secured part from degenerates, they can't twist tits around their wrapped minds.

But that's not a good reason to go full gay and stop appreciating girls as a whole and in details, just because there are fetishists.

 

[Gruncheon]

I see nothing wrong on being innovative. But to be innovative, I think you have to go backwards before you go forwards: Research what the OG authors were inspired by, and then broaden your search for more material that fits Fallout. In this case, Fallout's main inspiration is the Golden Age of Sci-Fi. So you have to read the sci-fi of that era. Stuff like Starship Troopers, The Kraken Awakens, Day of the Triffids, The Beast Master, A Canticle to Leibowitz, etc.

I would also add the stuff that inspired New Vegas such as ancient Roman history, history of the American Frontier and Reconstruction Era, The Indian Wars, and books like The Postman. All great sources and references. But no! Better to add in current year pop culture crap.

I haven't been able to find it, but I remember there was an Outer Worlds interview with Tim Cain early on in the development - he was saying that he basically blew the minds of the writing team by introducing them to Vonnegut or someone similar. The writing team's references up to that point had been pop culture and, of course, other games. I think this is an underdiscussed problem with modern game writing generally, it's culturally and historically illiterate to a shocking extent.

There was a time when you could expect that the holder of an English Degree was reasonably conversant with the Western Canon - they might have hated it, but they were forced to engage with it. This was back when universities still had a modicum of confidence in their mission to educate, and weren't the resentment factories that they are in now. In 2021, an English Degree holder is as likely to have studied a YA Novel about Santiago discovering a magic painting that helps him realise that he's queer as they are to have seriously engaged with Dante. So you have teams of writers that are basically incapable of imagining a political culture that isn't Current Year conflict between heroic progressivism and wretched conservatism. It was to New Vegas' great credit that Josh Sawyer was a slightly autistic history buff (and not the depressed sadsack that he is now) during the development, you end up with a very fair treatment of Christianity in Honest Hearts (try writing that today - guarantee you a major plot point would be the Mormons persecuting a noble queer tribesman that hasn't been poisoned by our patriarchal notions of gender roles), the Legion not being purely evil because of the misogyny etc.

 

[prengle]

Fallout Equestria is straight up a Shakespearean masterwork compared to this shit, good fucking lord

 

[Malamert]

Fallout Equestria

wat

 

[prengle]

wat

>he doesn't know

 

[Malamert]

>he doesn't know

Well then. This sure is something. 1883 pages.
"Quotes: Luna rape you with her horn! - Littlepip"
Shakespearean writing indeed.

 

[EtcEtcEtc]

And nobody is surprised in the least that this was developed by trannies and furries.

Mental disorders can be arranged on a spectrum from most creative to least.

On one side you have your trannies, furries, any disorder that's predominately female, and such. People who are so creatively bankrupt that their only goal in life is to not be themselves. Just imagine a big picture of Anthony Burch in a dress as the visual representation.
On the other side you have the fun crazy people. Your schizos, your whackjobs, chronic alcoholics, and some tweakers. This is Terry Davis land. People like MCA, who was wasted 24/7, are a good representation of this in video games.

This... is so spot on.

If we gotta have lunatics I prefer them to be drug addled consciousness expanding shamans.

Also, trannies and wokes are the worst when it comes to art because they think art is all about getting their shit in with no subtext. It's all just text and it's all right in your face and awful. And somehow this is currently being embraced.

The internet was the worst thing to ever happen. It allowed degenerates to gain an enormously outsized power by finding like minded pervs and forming special pervert interest groups that managed to spread everywhere and corrupt everything. Thirty years ago man was only able to express disgusting lizard slave fetishes in some sex closet hidden in their house that smelled like stale semen and failure. Otherwise they were required to maintain the facade of a normal person in public, and they felt disturbed and guilty that they even got a chub thinking about scales - let alone even remotely CONSIDERED there were other deviants in the world. Now it's stunning and brave.

The world is peak weimar republic right now.

 

[Payd Shell]

Up until now I was firmly convinced that the 'Imagine the smell' fags were just shitposters trying to piss in your cornflakes by associating something you enjoy, like the shape of the female behind, with something you dislike, i.e. odor stemming from bad hygiene or bodily functions everyone knows but never talks publicly about. Now with the unironic 'haha I've been running around so much imagine the smell if I would take my boots off haha' and the devs being so defensive about it I'm not so sure anymore. My day is ruined and my disappointment is immeasurable.

 

[markec]

This mod is fascinating look into the future of gaming development. Its only a matter of time before the whole gaming industry is dominated by trannies and other deviants who will fill any game with their politics and sexual fantasies.

 

[Malamert]

 

[Zer0wing]

People weren't lying when they say that every female character in this mod is a slut in one form or another. This is teenage horndog writing tier... Wait.
Aren't you supposed to be 18 years old to even consoom F:NV, let alone write quest mods for it?

I'm out, we're bullying a kid here...