Endless Legend, fantasyland trying to fix Endless Space's flaws

[Zboj Lamignat]

Graphically, I guess? Otherwise, with all expansions, it's a great game and the combat is much better (combat being the main point of AoW since always).

 

[Lacrymas]

Both AoW3 and EL are good imo. EL could've used better combat, but eh it's not the end of the world.

 

[vazha]

Graphically, I guess? Otherwise, with all expansions, it's a great game and the combat is much better (combat being the main point of AoW since always).

I dont like grouping units as well. In AOW 2 each ork was an individual (Urgzzob?), in the third part thats gone

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

Both AoW3 and EL are good imo. EL could've used better combat, but eh it's not the end of the world.

That's why AoW3 and EL complement each other so well. Although AoW3's strategic layer is nowhere near as bad as EL's combat layer is. It's actually p fun when it comes to the sense of exploration and unlocking additional upgrades, just rather basic and strategic magic is declined heavily compared to previous parts as well.

I dont like grouping units as well. In AOW 2 each ork was an individual (Urgzzob?), in the third part thats gone

Not really something that would make a game "super bland", but sure, why not.

 

[vazha]

I can add overall art direction, narrative & offbeat fairytale writing as well. In both of these areas the third part doesnt even come close to the second. AoW 2 was delightfully cozy, if a game can be called that. AoW 3 is more like a gameplay mechanics game.

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

Speaking of challenges, like almost every year, we are holding another Community Challenge for the duration of Amplified: From now until Monday, January 24th, 7PM CET, every match you start in Humankind, Endless Legend, or Endless Space 2 will count towards unlocking additional Humankind rewards for all players. The first reward is a set of player emblems inspired by African cultures

Ayo (smacks lips), all you 4X fans hol up.

 

[covr]

Speaking of challenges, like almost every year, we are holding another Community Challenge for the duration of Amplified: From now until Monday, January 24th, 7PM CET, every match you start in Humankind, Endless Legend, or Endless Space 2 will count towards unlocking additional Humankind rewards for all players. The first reward is a set of player emblems inspired by African cultures

Ayo (smacks lips), all you 4X fans hol up.

I was going to play a game or two of Humankind but because of that challenge I will pass until early Summer. Just to be sure.

 

[Lacrymas]

Are there any mods for the combat in this game?

 

[itsme]

So these cucks are planning to announce their new game come Jan 23d. Insider thinks its going to be Endless Legend 2.

x.com/Kurakasis/status/1877820916052250916

I have it on good authority (from an actual closed beta tester) this is indeed EL2.

 

[ArchAngel]

Hopefully it takes good parts of EL and fixes bad parts. I hope under fixing bad parts they do not remove meaningful TB combat, they should just change it so all the smoothbrains that complained and could not understand it have it easier.

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

The lesson from EL would be to deliver a solid base yet again while removing the common complaints (like strategic movement speed) and then not completely feck up with inane dlc that are not only not good in themselves, but also need to be turned off to not screw up the main game altogether. Unfortunately, looking at what happened with ES2 dlc and then humankind in its entirety, the hopes here are minimal at best.

I also really liked EL at release, but in hindsight it wasn't that great other than sometimes really distinct factions with flavorful mechanics and some other cool, but undercooked, ideas. It also fully embraced this modern idea of strategy games including entire swathes of mechanics that don't even work, because AI can't interact with them properly, if at all.

 

[ArchAngel]

The lesson from EL would be to deliver a solid base yet again while removing the common complaints (like strategic movement speed) and then not completely feck up with inane dlc that are not only not good in themselves, but also need to be turned off to not screw up the main game altogether. Unfortunately, looking at what happened with ES2 dlc and then humankind in its entirety, the hopes here are minimal at best.

I also really liked EL at release, but in hindsight it wasn't that great other than sometimes really distinct factions with flavorful mechanics and some other cool, but undercooked, ideas. It also fully embraced this modern idea of strategy games including entire swathes of mechanics that don't even work, because AI can't interact with them properly, if at all.

Yea, I never bought any of the DLC so base game is only one I played. And having radically different factions was something really cool and different than almost any other 4x.

 

[Bruno]

Endless Legend latest version, all DLCs, and most importantly the community patch (ELCP) is a great experience. The ELCP fixes hundreds if not thousands of detail and bugs.
Highly recommended.

If only EL2 could be in the same league, but alas that seems highly unlikely.

 

[Raghar]

So these cucks are planning to announce their new game come Jan 23d. Insider thinks its going to be Endless Legend 2.

x.com/Kurakasis/status/1877820916052250916

I have it on good authority (from an actual closed beta tester) this is indeed EL2.

Combat was atrocious in EL.

 

[Beowulf]

Combat was atrocious in EL.

I've heard this before, but what exactly made it so bad?
From what I remember it was actually pretty decent with initiative and positioning relevant and as far as I remember you could equip your troops with high tier weapons and armor given the right resources.

For me the main flaw of EL was just how boring and lifeless it started to be from the midgame onwards. Especially with the AI not handling all the different mechanics.

 

[Raghar]

I played EL over 5 years ago so I don't remember details. But I remember how combat was BAD. Normally combat is juicy enjoyable. And EL combat was something to avoid.

 

[Lagi]

Endless Legend latest version, all DLCs, and most importantly the community patch (ELCP) is a great experience. The ELCP fixes hundreds if not thousands of detail and bugs.
Highly recommended.

If only EL2 could be in the same league, but alas that seems highly unlikely.

im going for EL1 with all DLC because of discount.

Should i enable all DLC or some are shite?

After good experience with Beyond Earth mod, i will include ELCP with good faith.

 

[ArchAngel]

I played EL over 5 years ago so I don't remember details. But I remember how combat was BAD. Normally combat is juicy enjoyable. And EL combat was something to avoid.

Normally in 4x Civ type games combat is simple and boring, even after they removed doom stack mechanics. EL1 was only 4x of that type that had more interesting combat.

 

[Zeriel]

Basically all DLC are terrible. I would honestly recommend the launch version over them. I guess some of the launch-era DLC were okay (i.e the female paladins settlement), but all the major DLC (read: expacks) added nothing good.

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

im going for EL1 with all DLC because of discount.

Should i enable all DLC or some are shite?

After good experience with Beyond Earth mod, i will include ELCP with good faith.

The only non-shit dlc is the first small one with deeds, wonders and titans or whatever those were called. None of these additions are amazing, but they add to the game without making it worse.

 

[Lacrymas]

Yeap, the DLCs seem to just get in the way most of the time. They add a bunch of mechanics that don't gel well with the base game, the worst being the Urkan. Some of the factions are also very one-dimensional and it's obvious they didn't have much of an idea what to do with them. The underwater one (which is overpowered btw) and the white floaty one particularly come to mind. Even then, I'm not exactly sold on the different factions in this game. My problem with them is that they all come with different mechanics that mostly they use but aren't integrated well with the base game. Compare that to Gladius' factions where most faction mechanics exploit base game features to put a spin on them, even though some of them come with unique mechanics which aren't in the base game (Webway Gates for both aeldari factions and Holy Sites for the sisters). Some new mechanics aren't bad, but EL goes overboard very fast.

 

[Bruno]

Endless Legend latest version, all DLCs, and most importantly the community patch (ELCP) is a great experience. The ELCP fixes hundreds if not thousands of detail and bugs.
Highly recommended.

If only EL2 could be in the same league, but alas that seems highly unlikely.

im going for EL1 with all DLC because of discount.

Should i enable all DLC or some are shite?

After good experience with Beyond Earth mod, i will include ELCP with good faith.

I would absolutely enable all DLCs, they all make the game much more interesting in their own way. None are bad, but the big ones that add factions change the game too radically for some, without the community patch (elcp).

The most important thing is to use the ELCP. Without it, some game elements like urkans are very unbalanced (Kapaku very OP, Forgotten/Mykara UP). ELCP has lots of fixes for faction balance, fix tons of bugs, buggy quests, buggy event chains, hero useful/uselessness etc. It is simply a must have.

 

[Raghar]

So now it's "modders fixed the game".
Oh great.

Endless Legend developers have penchant how to make their games worse.
I remember how at release Endless Space 2 had these powerful beams that worked only on short range, and how it looked very nicely when these short ranged beams looked like they are tearing the ship apart.

Then they switched weapons around and the combat looks and feels far less realistic and flashy.

 

[Bruno]

Yes. Without the community patch, EL1 is buggy and especially the later DLCs are horribly unbalanced. Modders fixed this game into a gem for free. It is both a testament to the tenacity and dedication of enthusiasts, and the disregard some developers have for their product.

 

[Lacrymas]

Oh, yeah, use the ELCP.