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ELEX Pre-Release Thread
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PorkyThePaladin
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Dark Souls 1 is absolutely a full scale RPG with the best action combat ever devised, fantastic itemization, wonderful open, interconnected world, rich lore and even NPCs and quests, although a bit non-traditional. I also used to think DS is only a glorified action-RPG lite until I actually played it last year. I can see you're still in the first stage.
Gothic 3 is not a joke, it's one of the best RPGs ever made in my book. It's quite a bit different than G 1/2 but equally good. Have you played it with all the community patches and mods? Because the modders turned a torso of a great game into an actual great game. And Dragon's Dogma absolutely does belong in the same conversation, it's a proper, full blooded, open-world RPG.
Dude, you can't just arbitrarily remove from the "conversation" all the games that don't fit your argumentEspecially if you haven't really played them, which is quite clear from your comments.
I did actually play Dark Souls (and Gothic 3). Had trouble getting far into it though, the constant dungeon crawling and combat tend to bore me pretty quickly.
Kitchen Utensil
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Dark Souls 1 is absolutely a full scale RPG with the best action combat ever devised, fantastic itemization, wonderful open, interconnected world, rich lore and even NPCs and quests, although a bit non-traditional. I also used to think DS is only a glorified action-RPG lite until I actually played it last year. I can see you're still in the first stage.
Gothic 3 is not a joke, it's one of the best RPGs ever made in my book. It's quite a bit different than G 1/2 but equally good. Have you played it with all the community patches and mods? Because the modders turned a torso of a great game into an actual great game. And Dragon's Dogma absolutely does belong in the same conversation, it's a proper, full blooded, open-world RPG.
Dude, you can't just arbitrarily remove from the "conversation" all the games that don't fit your argument
I did actually play Dark Souls (and Gothic 3). Had trouble getting far into it though, the constant dungeon crawling and combat tend to bore me pretty quickly.
Ah, so you don't like gameplay, that's why you like the Witcher. Starts to make sense.
torpid
Liturgist
ELEX! memes are fun, ludicrous praise of The Witcher 3 is something else entirely, what's going on
Lord Andre
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I'm also wondering if it's another forum joke that I'm not in on...
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You said it, brother.
PorkyThePaladin
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Ah, so you don't like gameplay, that's why you like the Witcher. Starts to make sense.
I don't like that kind of gameplay. Constant fighting and obstacle navigation.
Think of it in terms of other entertainment media, a book or a movie with constant endless fights. They would be considered budget level trash. But in games, this is supposed to be considered
?No thanks.
Makabb
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Kitchen Utensil
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Ah, so you don't like gameplay, that's why you like the Witcher. Starts to make sense.
I don't like that kind of gameplay. Constant fighting and obstacle navigation.
Think of it in terms of other entertainment media, a book or a movie with constant endless fights. They would be considered budget level trash. But in games, this is supposed to be considered
No thanks.
I want my entertainment to be engaging. Be it movies, games or books. The difference between those media is the level of activity they demand from the consumer. Because watching a movie is the most passive of those, action often makes them dull. The best way for a movie to be somewhat engaging is to tell an interesting story and offer the viewer different ways to think about it and ideally be open to different interpretations. Few movies accomplish that, and action movies most often don't.
Games on the other hand are an active form of entertainment and they are best when they have good, tight, engaging gameplay. Dark Souls makes you think about the gameplay. It makes you analyse the world, the environment, the enemies and their behaviour, your approach. It's the best kind of action RPG. If you want to, you can immerse yourself in the lore, which is quite interesting and allows for a number of interpretations, way deeper than most stuff in the Witcher.
Witcher on the other hand, when it let's you take control in between those hours and hours of cutscenes, is boredom incarnate. The definition of one-dimensional gameplay with pseudo-choices. There is nothing to think about gameplay-wise, except which of the hundred similar swords in your inventory might be the best. Quest-compass, Witcher-senses and an empty open world filled with copy-pasted enemies everywhere. And the story is so straightforward most of the time that I'd rather watch a mediocre movie instead. Granted, there are parts of the story that are interesting and better than most stories told by other games, but it's not worth it to force yourself through that pile of shit that is Witcher 3's gameplay just to witness a mediocre story by book-standards.
Because compared with a good book, Witcher's story is still utter shit.
fantadomat
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First of all there is no game of the decade,it is the most subjective thing in the decade.I am certain that there is some gay out there that thinks Ride to Hell: Retribution is the best game ever.
Second of all ...that amazing gameplay:
Second of all ...that amazing gameplay:
PorkyThePaladin
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Witcher 3 gameplay is not as bad as people make out. Sure, the exploration really suffers from quest compass/breadcrumbs, but the combat system is one of the better ones in RPGs (though that might not be saying much). In fact, if you play on Death March, the combat is similar to Dark Souls, though not as tight and polished. The underlying principles though are the same, watch enemy, counter in time (parry, dodge, roll), counter-attack.
Riding your horse is fun, playing Gwent is fun, participating and making choices in dialogue is fun. So if you add all this stuff together, the whole is quite enjoyable for non-edgelords out there.
And I am not buying your argument that games being active excuses the prevalence of endless, pointless combat. It doesn't.
Riding your horse is fun, playing Gwent is fun, participating and making choices in dialogue is fun. So if you add all this stuff together, the whole is quite enjoyable for non-edgelords out there.
And I am not buying your argument that games being active excuses the prevalence of endless, pointless combat. It doesn't.
Makabb
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Yes it is that bad.
fantadomat
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Hahahahahaha i just remembered that blood and wine have really amazing quest where you talk with your horse.
Lord Andre
Arcane
Just the anticipation of getting a hit of ELEX has already broken some brains, I see. This is going to be a hell of a drug, men.
ortucis
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I'm sorry but that isn't "amazing level design". That's just basic level design 101. The reason why you all think this is amazing is majority of fucking developers, like Bethesda, can't even be arsed to create shitters for the residents of their game (except in Fallout, but I'm sure they'll streamline that in Fallout 5 just like they streamlined the RPG elements).
This is attention to detail which should've been common in all games, if the developers weren't lazy.
MasPingon
Arcane
Before and after ELEX
ELEX makes you black? WTF?
Modron
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And a time traveler.Before and after ELEX
ELEX makes you black? WTF?
MasPingon
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And a time traveler.Before and after ELEX
ELEX makes you black? WTF?
They still got a month to fix those bugs.
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fantadomat
Arcane
People clearly are misunderstanding,the before was the nigger and after he became a par of the glorious white patriarchy!Don't underestimate the power of ELEX,anyone could become black and pumped in a few years.ELEX can transcend time and space,from a primitive nigger to a glorious banker in a blink of an eye.Before and after ELEX
ELEX makes you black? WTF?
MasPingon
Arcane
They really need to clarify the message in those advertisements, it made me concerned.
fantadomat
Arcane
Don't worry mate,ELEX is the Merkel's end game.She will force all the refugees to play it!
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