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Anonona

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Wretch is simply nearly as kickass as was Deprived in Dark Souls I.
It also helps that it is completely balanced on all stats, so if a player still doesn't know what build to make it may be a good choice. It also gives the strongest "hobo phase" vibe, very satisfiying to go from going naked to wearing shit gear to finally decent one, specially in ER with its open world and freedom to explore. At least those two were the reasons I choose the class first time.
 

Lyric Suite

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The hobo phase of the Wretch is great, but i gotta say most classes have their own unique starting phase because the gear they are wearing often cannot be found for a long time. If you like the look of the Vagabond armor you might as well start as one since by the time you find it in the game you'll probably be settled with something else.

Dark Souls 1 still has the best SL1 character because of the knewl pyro deal. You are a hobo because instead of pouring souls on yourself you are focusing on your flame it's a very neat concept.
 
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Faith has been a stat since Demon's Souls and two starting classes in ER begin with faith spells, but somehow you can't expect normal players to use it.
Arcane is a new stat in ER and no starting class begins with arcane spells or weapons with arcane scaling, but apparently it is the choice stat for normal players.

You people are really grasping at straws here.
And it has been a fairly difficult spec to get into on your first playthrough since DS1.
In DS1 you had to do Solaires rather not so straightforward quest to get the lightning spell(the only good offensive spell for FAITH builds for the majority of the game).
In DS2 it was OK but as far as I remember the core offensive spells took a while to get(although I could be entirely wrong on that one)
DS3 Faith is just straight so garbage that not even memetubers could dress it up to even look viable.
Bloodborne does not have it, neither does Sekiro.

Demon's Souls is the only game where I would say its good without reservation but that is mostly because the level of healing it provides is kind of busted when you farm up enough grass to have infinite mana. God's Wrath is cool but I would never pick it over soul ray if I had to.
Hahahahahaha
Imagine calling Lightning Arrow a non viable spell in DS3 :). Jesus Christ xD. I ran an undead champ/ fight club pyro hybrid attunement build is ds3 with Lightning arrow, Black Flame, fire surge, deep soul, great soul dregs, great farron darts, old moonlight. Topped of with Carthus curved greatsword one handed (one of the few weapon classes that gains poise on a r1 attack) Witch's Lock. But people running only faith and Lightning arrow atleast had a good success rate in match ups. Not to mention the meme heal projected heal and ofcourse Warmth if you want to be more fair.

https://soulsplanner.com/darksouls3/47938
 
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Hell Swarm

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Imagine calling Lightning Arrow a non viable spell in DS3 :). Jesus Christ xD.
Despite being a very strong spell it is non viable in the discussion we're having. We're not talking about twinked out PvP builds here. We're discussing how viable it is for an average player to play a faith character. Beating the last boss or a very difficult DLC boss to get your spells means it's not a viable option. Faith builds have strong options in the end game but a lot of their early options suck. Unless a player values healing spells there's not a lot going on for early Faith builds. While magic has at least soul arrow which does insane damage for it's range and mana usage. It will carry you to better spells while a basic heal isn't cutting it.

In Elden ring's case there is also the problem that the best faith weapon (pre nerf) was the medium bubble horn. It staggered enemies with a single blow and completely melted their health but it wasn't picked up until half way through the game and it had to be farmed. So faith builds didn't have an easy drop like rivers of blood or the other weapons that all took major nerfs.
 

FugueLah

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Ps5 completely dominated Xbox this generation (and both didn't do well). So the average person Is on a PS5 or PC. You're just coping at this point.
That poll is representative of hyped and invested Souls and Playstation fans. For someone who has written thousands of words about what the average player is and isn't, you sure don't seem to understand how this poll is cannot be representative of them. And 12% wretch says it all. Joe Shmoe is not picking wretch 12% of the time, 1.2% more like. I may have overestimated the number weebs, but I do think it would be higher than the general playerbase. Vagabond makes the most sense.
 

Hell Swarm

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Ps5 completely dominated Xbox this generation (and both didn't do well). So the average person Is on a PS5 or PC. You're just coping at this point.
That poll is representative of hyped and invested Souls and Playstation fans. For someone who has written thousands of words about what the average player is and isn't, you sure don't seem to understand how this poll is cannot be representative of them. And 12% wretch says it all. Joe Shmoe is not picking wretch 12% of the time, 1.2% more like. I may have overestimated the number weebs, but I do think it would be higher than the general playerbase. Vagabond makes the most sense.
The poll is not exclusively average players though is it? Many of them are souls vets or want a clean slate. The important number isn't the wretch. It's the popularity of samurai is way higher than every other class which is what I stated. 1/4 people playing samurai is a big fucking number when there's 10 million people playing.
 

FugueLah

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But it is. It's incredibly popular because it has a fucking katana and decent armour/stats. It's the stand out option.
For some people (me included) that is a negative. Regardless, you are still talking about vets and meta slaves, not the general playerbase. The same playerbase who 28% of PC players did not kill Margit.
 

Silverfish

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Imagine calling Lightning Arrow a non viable spell in DS3 :).

That's actually pretty damning. Faith users need to play 87% of the game to become viable. Which wouldn't be so bad, except that every other archetype has great stuff dumped on them within a few minutes of finishing the tutorial.
 

Hell Swarm

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But it is. It's incredibly popular because it has a fucking katana and decent armour/stats. It's the stand out option.
For some people (me included) that is a negative. Regardless, you are still talking about vets and meta slaves, not the general playerbase. The same playerbase who 28% of PC players did not kill Margit.
I never mentioned meta slaves or vets picking Samurai. I mentioned that Katanas are cool and he's wearing the obvious heavy armour people liked in previous games. Why are you so resistant to accepting people like poorly made japanese swords and obvious armoured dudes?
 

FugueLah

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Katanas are lame, and the armor is gay and out of place. Vagabond is the quintessential souls knight. It's also the first class to pick from. We'd need additional data to know for sure, but that poll is similar to polling 10k people in San Fransisco and concluding Biden will win the next election.
 

Hell Swarm

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Why do Americans always want to bring their shitty modern politics into everything? There's 10k self selected people on the most popular platform.
 

FugueLah

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Why do Americans always want to bring their shitty modern politics into everything? There's 10k self selected people on the most popular platform.
Self selected is not a randomized sample, it's quite the opposite. Playstation is also 41%, so excludes up to 59% of players.
 

Reinhardt

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Ps5 completely dominated Xbox this generation (and both didn't do well). So the average person Is on a PS5 or PC. You're just coping at this point.
That poll is representative of hyped and invested Souls and Playstation fans. For someone who has written thousands of words about what the average player is and isn't, you sure don't seem to understand how this poll is cannot be representative of them. And 12% wretch says it all. Joe Shmoe is not picking wretch 12% of the time, 1.2% more like. I may have overestimated the number weebs, but I do think it would be higher than the general playerbase. Vagabond makes the most sense.
i literally picked hobo because he doesn't have extra points in dress wearing from the start and i can fully ignore magic. and it's my first fs game since first dark souls.
 

FugueLah

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i literally picked hobo because he doesn't have extra points in dress wearing from the start and i can fully ignore magic. and it's my first fs game since first dark souls.
You are also an RPG autist with 30k posts on the dex. Not exactly an everyday gamer.
 

FugueLah

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fs games are not rpgs tho so your point is retarded
The point is that who your are informs your choices in games. Choices that are not representative of the general playerbase. Ironically, most of those players would consider Elden Ring to be an RPG despite what you think it is.
 

Ramnozack

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God damn was dlc radahn a fucking nightmare, finally managed to beat him just now, just barely by proccing frostbite one last time when I had basically no health left and no more heals. Fucking jesus couldn't even see what he was doing half the time because of the light show. Fuck I never want to fight that boss again.
 

FugueLah

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God damn was dlc radahn a fucking nightmare, finally managed to beat him just now, just barely by proccing frostbite one last time when I had basically no health left and no more heals. Fucking jesus couldn't even see what he was doing half the time because of the light show. Fuck I never want to fight that boss again.
By the time I got to him, my patience for learning another fight had ran out, so I unashamedly went over to Renalla and speced for great shield poke. Mimic tear and Ansbach, and I killed him on the second attempt. GG ez game.
 

Vic

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fs games are not rpgs tho so your point is retarded
how is elden ring not an rpg? it's absolutely a jrpg and not just because it's made in oppailand. check the video that somebody linked above where the guy one shots the bosses. if it wasn't an rpg, that wouldn't be possible
 

Stoned Ape

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An actual JRPG is something like an early Final Fantasy, Octopath Traveller, Falcom Trails of... game, Dragon Quest, or Xenogears.

If anything Elden ring is an ARPG that happened to be developed in Japan; it shares no combat mechanics with an actual JRPG.
 

Vic

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it shares no combat mechanics with an actual JRPG.
Doesn't it play similar to Nier? I think ER is an action JRPG. there is more emphasis on player skill but that's the only major difference. seems like you can still grind / cheese to become OP like in other JRPGs. You can't do that in zelda for example which is more action than rpg.

also jrpg doesn't have to be party based, Ys series comes to mind. Also Dragon's Dogma might be similar tho I haven't played it.
 
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abija

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The vagabond looks nothing like Dark souls knights.

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