Dungeon Rats - first impressions and general feedback

[agentorange]

I'm gonna start playing again any gameplay and mod suggestions? Is 2 men party with spears viable, I'm thinking one with shield one with long 2-handed one.

I think a 2 man party is the worst of all worlds. You don't get the stat benefits of going full solo, while also not getting the full benefits of a big party. I think a 3 man team would be pretty good; as it is when I played a 4-man party, near the end there were times I was playing with basically a 3 man party due to Heroditus being useless in a fight.

It's done!

Do it now Ironman-style and tell us how it goes.

Seriously, it's another game, when you not allowed to do mistakes.
I'm not sure somebody did IM solo after patches.

Yeah I can't see myself attempting this. With the nerf on spears and all the tactics against the mechs being taken out I don't see how it would be possible. Or like Emperor fight where even with optimal positioning you still have to pray for dodge rolls because everyone in that fight has ranged attacks. (I also think skill point gain was nerfed at some point, since looking at the one successful solo iron man psycho run on youtube the guy has 10 in spear, 10 dodge, 10 crit, 10 alchemy, 10 crafting at the end of the Emperor fight, but I was unable to get 10 in dagger or 10 in crafting or Critical Strike even at the end of the game, and I did all the optional fights.)

 

[Fenix]

Bleh... 7 Str 10 Dex 7 Con 10 Int spearman blocker stuck in fight with first bomber-fucking-man. 45 hp is often a crit, and even if not, they succesfully chip away hp. 4 craft, 4 alchemy, 8 block 7 spear, 1 point short from 9 block.

 

[Fenix]

Gimmi viable solo IM build.
NOW!

 

[razvedchiki]

extracting ore depends on crafting skill?

 

[agentorange]

extracting ore depends on crafting skill?

I thought this was the case at first so I was hesitant to gather ore and alchemy materials with low skills, but as far as I can tell it has no relevance to the amount gathered.

 

[Technomancer]

AFAIK crafting only affects material harvested from recycled items. Hoarding them all until I got 10 was a dumb idea, you need to built shit if you want to survive.

 

[razvedchiki]

whats the best weapon type to go with 7-8 str?

 

[Fenix]

Hammer? Spear too I think, axe maybe.

 

[razvedchiki]

are there any worthwile perception/int checks? i remember some ealry game with 8 per and a fireplace for 8 int(?) but dont know if there any more mid-late game.
also dagger was really strong in AOD, is it the same here?

 

[Fenix]

Only if you can crit, which is hard in latest figths.

 

[razvedchiki]

im at the fight with the colonoscopedra and the 3 plants and they perform involuntary anal examinations on my dodge team!
and im all out of lube!

 

[razvedchiki]

phew, i had ROXANEEE to plink them with the crossbow as the rest of my team hide behind a corner.

 

[agentorange]

when playing with a party against the plants I gave person with highest dodge a shield with best +defense against ranged attacks and had them act as a target while roxanne used crossbow. also remember that you can prebuff yourself with antidote to avoid the poison damage

also dagger was really strong in AOD, is it the same here?

dagger is what I used when doing solo psycho (edit: had ironman written here earlier that was a mistake, HAVE NOT BEATEN IRONMAN). it is very good, especially when combined with high level alchemy. you have to have a good amount of points in critical strike though.

 

[razvedchiki]

werent some plants outside the emperors camps? im down to one kassava root and i need it for the regen potion.

 

[agentorange]

werent some plants outside the emperors camps? im down to one kassava root and i need it for the regen potion.

those were removed in a patch i ran into same problem when i played with a party. there were no cassava roots even after taking out the emperor, although you get pretty much every other alchemy ingredient in the emperors chambers and above

 

[razvedchiki]

you do? i didnt get any alchemy ingredient there, some steel/blue steel/sky metal and 95 rations.

 

[agentorange]

oh then i guess its just up above. its mostly stuff for making bombs/fire though

 

[Parabalus]

near the end there were times I was playing with basically a 3 man party due to Heroditus being useless in a fight.

You can just have him until Craft 10 then drop him for someone useful, like Yngvar or the CHA10 guy.

Makes the midgame harder, but the end easier.

 

[razvedchiki]

how much INT i need for solo dagger crafter/alchemist?5?

 

[Fenix]

10

 

[razvedchiki]

yea 10 is better, there are 40 fights in total so in theory i could get 160 more skill points.

 

[Fenix]

Only with 10 you can get 4 skills of 10 level.

 

[razvedchiki]

dodge dagger couldnt get past the 3 plants so restarted with dodge/spear 10con/10dex/10int.

 

[Fenix]

This spear is almost ok - except you will lack damage.

 

[Technomancer]

Only with 10 you can get 4 skills of 10 level.

More like 3 and one to nine.