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Drova: Forsaken Kin - 2D action RPG inspired by Gothic series

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The only problem I have with the game (biggest flaw) is chapter 3. You can voice your disapproval of the plan, even go to some lengths to inform some people but nothing come out of it. I would love to see a Night of the Raven (G2) expansion, that adds a third faction to the game, because if you do not trust your faction, it makes little sense to follow them at that point.
Dead magical piglets make even strongest men cry.
 

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The only problem I have with the game (biggest flaw) is chapter 3. You can voice your disapproval of the plan, even go to some lengths to inform some people but nothing come out of it. I would love to see a Night of the Raven (G2) expansion, that adds a third faction to the game, because if you do not trust your faction, it makes little sense to follow them at that point.
Dead magical piglets make even strongest men cry.
I saw a "third" faction yesterday when exploring some huge cavern complex under Remnants and that whole area, some Ruin Explorers or something. Maybe they could have done more with those.
 

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The only problem I have with the game (biggest flaw) is chapter 3. You can voice your disapproval of the plan, even go to some lengths to inform some people but nothing come out of it. I would love to see a Night of the Raven (G2) expansion, that adds a third faction to the game, because if you do not trust your faction, it makes little sense to follow them at that point.
Dead magical piglets make even strongest men cry.
I saw a "third" faction yesterday when exploring some huge cavern complex under Remnants and that whole area, some Ruin Explorers or something. Maybe they could have done more with those.
They serve a purpose and really do not need to be a third faction. You will meet the "third faction" in chapter 2.
 

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So I'm playing this and pleasantly surprised so far (4-5hrs in). This pixel art style feels overused by now though but overall it looks fine enough.

I was a bit worried about all devs list he/him at their web page but aside from various female warriors haven't seen anything too immersion breaking. Why Styg alone in a whole world approaches this thing differently in 2024 is beyond me.
 

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The whole SBI is getting out of hand and every game is apparently wokeslop now. Either I'm blind or there is zero "diversity" in this game, noone uses pronouns or is actually a tranself hidden in gigga nigga body, except "Body Type 1 and 2" so journos would fuck off and not talk about it.

Edit: Now when I think about it, I can bet that most of the traffic generated now by Steam Curators that are "detecting" SBI are industry plants made by the SBI-related shit themselves, and they accuse everything to discredit the whole thing and become immune to criticism.
 

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The whole SBI is getting out of hand and every game is apparently wokeslop now. Either I'm blind or there is zero "diversity" in this game, noone uses pronouns or is actually a tranself hidden in gigga nigga body, except "Body Type 1 and 2" so journos would fuck off and not talk about it.

Edit: Now when I think about it, I can bet that most of the traffic generated now by Steam Curators that are "detecting" SBI are industry plants made by the SBI-related shit themselves, and they accuse everything to discredit the whole thing and become immune to criticism.
It's just gender has almost no meaning in Drova. Which is a shame as I look upon the 'civilization' and think to myself "where are the children?" "where are the families?" "where is the division of work?", it feels like everybody you met showed up in Drova like you - out of place, out of time. Yes, there are two children in the game. Yes, there are romantic plots (one guy tries to get a mandragora for a girl he knew since childhood and proposes to her - Numeton storyline). The only 'woke' thing is that best gladiator is a woman (arguably I would say Bady is the best but hey) and Nemeton is ruled by a woman, but overall, you can switch their sexes, nothing would change.
 

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The whole SBI is getting out of hand and every game is apparently wokeslop now. Either I'm blind or there is zero "diversity" in this game, noone uses pronouns or is actually a tranself hidden in gigga nigga body, except "Body Type 1 and 2" so journos would fuck off and not talk about it.

Edit: Now when I think about it, I can bet that most of the traffic generated now by Steam Curators that are "detecting" SBI are industry plants made by the SBI-related shit themselves, and they accuse everything to discredit the whole thing and become immune to criticism.
It's just gender has almost no meaning in Drova. Which is a shame as I look upon the 'civilization' and think to myself "where are the children?" "where are the families?" "where is the division of work?", it feels like everybody you met showed up in Drova like you - out of place, out of time. Yes, there are two children in the game. Yes, there are romantic plots (one guy tries to get a mandragora for a girl he knew since childhood and proposes to her - Numeton storyline). The only 'woke' thing is that best gladiator is a woman (arguably I would say Bady is the best but hey) and Nemeton is ruled by a woman, but overall, you can switch their sexes, nothing would change.
Nemeton leader was her father and her brother left to form Remnants, so there was no choice but to have her in charge since devs didn't really care for the world to make sense, they just made vanilla Middle Ages society and added a bit of magic and monsters into it
 

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The whole SBI is getting out of hand and every game is apparently wokeslop now. Either I'm blind or there is zero "diversity" in this game, noone uses pronouns or is actually a tranself hidden in gigga nigga body, except "Body Type 1 and 2" so journos would fuck off and not talk about it.

Edit: Now when I think about it, I can bet that most of the traffic generated now by Steam Curators that are "detecting" SBI are industry plants made by the SBI-related shit themselves, and they accuse everything to discredit the whole thing and become immune to criticism.
It's just gender has almost no meaning in Drova. Which is a shame as I look upon the 'civilization' and think to myself "where are the children?" "where are the families?" "where is the division of work?", it feels like everybody you met showed up in Drova like you - out of place, out of time. Yes, there are two children in the game. Yes, there are romantic plots (one guy tries to get a mandragora for a girl he knew since childhood and proposes to her - Numeton storyline). The only 'woke' thing is that best gladiator is a woman (arguably I would say Bady is the best but hey) and Nemeton is ruled by a woman, but overall, you can switch their sexes, nothing would change.
Nemeton leader was her father and her brother left to form Remnants, so there was no choice but to have her in charge since devs didn't really care for the world to make sense, they just made vanilla Middle Ages society and added a bit of magic and monsters into it
Not arguing that. I am just saying that there's barely any family units, no homes that would say 'family with children live here'. The farm at least exists, so there's some evidence of civilization. But what Remants do to get food? Even New Camp in Gothic1 had a rice farm, while being bandits. There's an inn with sheep, so that's good. But still, I get that feeling that it doesn't look like a civilization that would be able to survive generations.
 

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The whole SBI is getting out of hand and every game is apparently wokeslop now. Either I'm blind or there is zero "diversity" in this game, noone uses pronouns or is actually a tranself hidden in gigga nigga body, except "Body Type 1 and 2" so journos would fuck off and not talk about it.

Edit: Now when I think about it, I can bet that most of the traffic generated now by Steam Curators that are "detecting" SBI are industry plants made by the SBI-related shit themselves, and they accuse everything to discredit the whole thing and become immune to criticism.
It's just gender has almost no meaning in Drova. Which is a shame as I look upon the 'civilization' and think to myself "where are the children?" "where are the families?" "where is the division of work?", it feels like everybody you met showed up in Drova like you - out of place, out of time. Yes, there are two children in the game. Yes, there are romantic plots (one guy tries to get a mandragora for a girl he knew since childhood and proposes to her - Numeton storyline). The only 'woke' thing is that best gladiator is a woman (arguably I would say Bady is the best but hey) and Nemeton is ruled by a woman, but overall, you can switch their sexes, nothing would change.
Nemeton leader was her father and her brother left to form Remnants, so there was no choice but to have her in charge since devs didn't really care for the world to make sense, they just made vanilla Middle Ages society and added a bit of magic and monsters into it
Not arguing that. I am just saying that there's barely any family units, no homes that would say 'family with children live here'. The farm at least exists, so there's some evidence of civilization. But what Remants do to get food? Even New Camp in Gothic1 had a rice farm, while being bandits. There's an inn with sheep, so that's good. But still, I get that feeling that it doesn't look like a civilization that would be able to survive generations.
I agree, the world is not nearly realistic. I guess they all eat monsters :D
 

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It's just gender has almost no meaning in Drova. Which is a shame as I look upon the 'civilization' and think to myself "where are the children?" "where are the families?" "where is the division of work?", it feels like everybody you met showed up in Drova like you - out of place, out of time.
I mean, the lore is pretty much that majority of people there are in fact "out of place, out of time", just like you, right? Nemeton was founded barely few decades ago, and is already at the verge of collapse, Remnants just got established, there is no civilization surviving generations there. I imagine aside from the leaders, people die regularly and get replaced by the fresh recruits who landed in Drova just like you, that's why the guy at the beginning was there to welcome the newcomers, and he was surprised it's just you and not more people this time. It's not exactly a great environment to make families and children.

The only thing unrealistic enough to fuck with my immersion, was the fact that factions don't seem to be interested at all in convincing newcomers to join them, they act like they're doing you a favour, while in this setting new people should be the most important asset to them. They should fight over new recruits, but instead they don't give a shit who you join.
 

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It's just gender has almost no meaning in Drova. Which is a shame as I look upon the 'civilization' and think to myself "where are the children?" "where are the families?" "where is the division of work?", it feels like everybody you met showed up in Drova like you - out of place, out of time.
I mean, the lore is pretty much that majority of people there are in fact "out of place, out of time", just like you, right? Nemeton was founded barely few decades ago, and is already at the verge of collapse, Remnants just got established, there is no civilization surviving generations there. I imagine aside from the leaders, people die regularly and get replaced by the fresh recruits who landed in Drova just like you, that's why the guy at the beginning was there to welcome the newcomers, and he was surprised it's just you and not more people this time. It's not exactly a great environment to make families and children.

The only thing unrealistic enough to fuck with my immersion, was the fact that factions don't seem to be interested at all in convincing newcomers to join them, they act like they're doing you a favour, while in this setting new people should be the most important asset to them. They should fight over new recruits, but instead they don't give a shit who you join.
There are more plot holes. I do not even think they get many new people since new arrivals seem to come with earthquakes and those are not common as nobody much mentions them after start of the game.
 
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Marat

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I mean, the lore is pretty much that majority of people there are in fact "out of place, out of time", just like you, right?
No, one dialogue indicates most people in Drova were born there. I think it was one of the guards in the mine.

Nemeton was founded barely few decades ago, and is already at the verge of collapse,
It's not Nemeton that's collapsing, it is Drova that is dying.

Remnants just got established,
20 years ago.

The only thing unrealistic enough to fuck with my immersion, was the fact that factions don't seem to be interested at all in convincing newcomers to join them, they act like they're doing you a favour, while in this setting new people should be the most important asset to them. They should fight over new recruits, but instead they don't give a shit who you join.
True, but I can take that to mean their respective leaders are too busy with their own plans, which they kind of are.
 

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A Beautifully Desolate Campaign
True, but I can take that to mean their respective leaders are too busy with their own plans, which they kind of are.
I'd add to that that with the brewing hostilities between the two factions, that any new face the main factions haven't seen around yet are just as likely a spy or one of the smaller bandit factions, seeing how newcomers like us are pretty damn rare. Plus, we don't exactly go around talking about where we came from, and both factions are pre-occupied with the world literally on the cusp of extinction as the death fog is closing in bit by bit.

What made less sense to me, is that our runestone is apparently a pretty big deal, yet the fact we have one does not seem to warrant druids of either side to investigate or wanting to meet us until we jumped through their hoops, and then we immediately get sent off to do something pretty darn important because of the runestone we carry.
 

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What made less sense to me, is that our runestone is apparently a pretty big deal, yet the fact we have one does not seem to warrant druids of either side to investigate or wanting to meet us until we jumped through their hoops, and then we immediately get sent off to do something pretty darn important because of the runestone we carry.
It is a big deal, but that's not readily apparent. You can even show it to the druid lady teaching children in Nemeton and all she has to say is that the stone seems special. But it gave me the same impression.
 

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Hmm, I am not liking that 75% of player power comes from his gear and with defenses 90% comes from gear. Basically bunch of enemies become pushovers as soon as you enter next chapter and get access to better gear. Seems fastest way to play the game is to ignore sidequests and exploring and just do main quest as fast as possible and then go back and do other stuff fast and painless. Also there needs to be some way to respec once you get access to spells. If you were putting points into Strength or Dex offensive spells are mostly useless without high Mind score. Also they seem to be more fitting for bow user as they can generate focus fast from range and you need focus to cast spells. They should give you a simple spell that also generates focus.
 

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Hmm, I am not liking that 75% of player power comes from his gear and with defenses 90% comes from gear. Basically bunch of enemies become pushovers as soon as you enter next chapter and get access to better gear. Seems fastest way to play the game is to ignore sidequests and exploring and just do main quest as fast as possible and then go back and do other stuff fast and painless.
How dare you not like the classic gothic formula?

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Hmm, I am not liking that 75% of player power comes from his gear and with defenses 90% comes from gear. Basically bunch of enemies become pushovers as soon as you enter next chapter and get access to better gear. Seems fastest way to play the game is to ignore sidequests and exploring and just do main quest as fast as possible and then go back and do other stuff fast and painless.
You're not supposed to play Gothic or Gothic-like games like an autist.

Exploring despite your level, coming to an impasse, and deciding if its worth it to try and get through a much stronger opponent is part of the charm.
 

ArchAngel

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Hmm, I am not liking that 75% of player power comes from his gear and with defenses 90% comes from gear. Basically bunch of enemies become pushovers as soon as you enter next chapter and get access to better gear. Seems fastest way to play the game is to ignore sidequests and exploring and just do main quest as fast as possible and then go back and do other stuff fast and painless.
You're not supposed to play Gothic or Gothic-like games like an autist.

Exploring despite your level, coming to an impasse, and deciding if its worth it to try and get through a much stronger opponent is part of the charm.
Not really. I prefer Baldur's Gate 1 way, it is way superior. You get +1 sword and you do 10% more damage but bonus damage is gained by leveling up and getting multiple attacks.
 

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Most of the best gear is accessible from the start of the game. I had the best weapon in the game while still in Act 1, as well as armor that outperformed any you can get from either faction at any point in the story by over 100%.
 

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