Dota 2 Discussion (~Boston Majors & Road to TI7~)

[Great Deceiver]

7.06:
http://www.dota2.com/706

Winning your lane actually matters now. Good xp/deny changes. Good nerf to shrines, which were the most BS shit ever and made me not want to play Dota.


Monkey King

• Wukong's Command no longer provides 50/70/90 bonus damage
• Wukong's Command army no longer copy Basher/Abyssal

This is probably the 6th straight MK nerf in a row. Where's that dude that insisted MK was "fine" on release again? Saark

 

[InspectorRumpole]

Some interesting changes in the new patch. It's also incline that they removed the respawn talents.

I wonder if Battle Fury hard farmers are back, with the neutrals spawning every minute again.

 

[Great Deceiver]

I think stacking will definitely come back into the game now - mid heroes who win their lanes and flashfarm like crazy are probably going to be the flavour of the month (Shadow Fiend).

It's crazy to think how much you can get ahead with these XP changes. If you let heroes freefarm now there's a real danger of them taking over the game, which is a good thing. I hated how recently winning your lane/protecting your carry did nothing against shitty comeback mechanics and/or shrines/free gold/iron talon and 5 man deathball 10 minutes into the game.

Hopefully Dota can go back to being a little bit more Dota now.

 

[InD_ImaginE]

7.06 basically, while not directly, nerfs base turtling, which consequently nerfs comeback mechanic. I think it is good. The problem with 7.00 was the fact that while game pace is fast (you could destroy all Tier 2 tower below 30 minutes in a stomp) going high ground was really difficult (and punishing due to comeback gold). If laning stage is a stomp (a.k.a a team has better execution early) being easier to close a game for the better team is is good. Fuck OG Kiev's game which is basically turtle you base long enough that you core comes online due the comeback gold.

On negative side "jungle everything" cancer game with one support will come back hard now. Fuck that

Safelane is much more important now with fucking denies giving exp. Most likely will result in dual offlane being more of an occurrence to shut carries down.

If you let heroes freefarm now there's a real danger of them taking over the game, which is a good thing.

It is fucking not. God, how I hated farm 50 minutes and end the game in the last 5 minutes meta dota of old days. And 5 man detahball has the hard counter of comeback mechanics, given good enough line up.

 

[InD_ImaginE]

Hero wise, say welcome back to cancer Lone Druid. With Level 20 talent basically being "buff bear or buff bear" and the fact they reduce Rabid cooldown again, he is fucking back more annoying than ever.

Overall I like the Hero changes though. And overall a good patch even though I think jungle exp+gold nerf should be more than 20%, maybe 30 or 35 would be good.

 

[Great Deceiver]

I dunno, I'm not a fan of jungle stacking/afk farming, but on the other hand I'm even less a fan of 5 man deathball/comeback stupid shit.

Winning a lane in Dota should be rewarding. It hadn't been for a long time.

edit: agree with jungle creeps needing to be extra nerfed to compensate for every minute respawn. For me the most hilarious change this patch is free magic immunity for Aghs Legion Commander when she duels. That shit's ridiculous and I can't possibly think it's balanced in any way.

Meepo is going to benefit a lot from the jungle 1 minute respawns. Borderline broken in pubs actually since supports rarely coordinate smoke ganks and when they do, it's frequently a disaster because people walk without vision into the enemy jungle.

 

[InD_ImaginE]

Other hilarious change is Desolator series losing its UAM. It is already an insanely strong item to hero like PA,TA, Naix, SF, and basically most hitter. Now imagine that item with fucking Satanic.

edit: LC aghs is hilariously good too now. It is now probably a core item if could mass enough damage eaerly and your team is winning. Basically free kill 1 hero

 

[InspectorRumpole]

Meh, there's still skills that go through BKB, and defensive skills which can save your team mates from duel death.

 

[Malakal]

Other hilarious change is Desolator series losing its UAM. It is already an insanely strong item to hero like PA,TA, Naix, SF, and basically most hitter. Now imagine that item with fucking Satanic.

edit: LC aghs is hilariously good too now. It is now probably a core item if could mass enough damage eaerly and your team is winning. Basically free kill 1 hero

Or you could disable LC for the duration of the duel.

 

[InD_ImaginE]

Meh, there's still skills that go through BKB, and defensive skills which can save your team mates from duel death.

Or you could disable LC for the duration of the duel.

Still doesn't make the skill not very good. Spell immune piercing stun are rare (RP and rock?), and the LC might as well aim the warlock/magnus if possible. There are shallow grave, WW ice block, false promise, OD prison which might save someone though. But with Agh the duration for the duel is so long (8 sec?) that in the rest 4 seconds LC might still kill the target.

And of course while you are busy with LC the other 4 enemies will not just wait nicely.

 

[Malakal]

Theres plenty saving spells/items. A stupid force staff shaves off a LOT of duel duration.

 

[InD_ImaginE]

Yeah, a correct force staff might save a lot of that 8 sec duel.

Just played a game and Sven is also very good. With good coordination with supports you could basically get 4 - 6 ancient stacks with the cost of one God Strength and one tp scroll.

 

[Mr. Pink]

lv 25 bane with aghs : 500 pure dmg nuke every 1.5 seconds with 100% lifesteal and pierces magic Immunity.

thank you icefrog

 

[Malakal]

lv 25 bane with aghs : 500 pure dmg nuke every 1.5 seconds with 100% lifesteal and pierces magic Immunity.

thank you icefrog

Yea but its bane. And level 25. So either core bane (lol) or a long game where it matters way less.

 

[Mr. Pink]

lv 25 bane with aghs : 500 pure dmg nuke every 1.5 seconds with 100% lifesteal and pierces magic Immunity.

thank you icefrog

Yea but its bane. And level 25. So either core bane (lol) or a long game where it matters way less.

deny changes means good laning supports get more xp. Bane is the best laning support in the game probably.

 

[InspectorRumpole]

Still doesn't make the skill not very good. Spell immune piercing stun are rare (RP and rock?),

+Black Hole, Axe Call, Pudge Hook, Batrider lasso, Venge swap, Chrono, Fiend's Grip.

I don't doubt it's a good Aghs though, but not necessarily a free kill.

 

[cannondwarf]

lv 25 bane with aghs : 500 pure dmg nuke every 1.5 seconds with 100% lifesteal and pierces magic Immunity.

thank you icefrog

Yea but its bane. And level 25. So either core bane (lol) or a long game where it matters way less.

deny changes means good laning supports get more xp. Bane is the best laning support in the game probably.

if you sit around doing nothing while leeching xp from your carry you're doing it wrong

 

[Mr. Pink]

A Russian team just knocked out the last two NA teams in one day. First the election, now TI... The Russians can't keep getting away with it!


https://webmshare.com/g8Wj3

props to Resolution. He wasn't even supposed to be there but as a emergency stand-in, he's playing extremely well.

 

[you know what time it is]

Getting knocked out early is bad enough, getting knocked out by Empire with a stand-in is just...

 

[InspectorRumpole]

Crazy game by Empire, didn't expect that at all.

There's still DC left for NA though.

But crazy TI so far, so many upsets.

 

[InD_ImaginE]

Mason bulba usa last hope

China is lookin very strong this TI. VP might be the only western team with chance of winning TI7. Maybe liquid

Too bad I cant watch most of the now that I am employed. Will be able to watch semi and final this weekend tho

 

[McPlusle]

I've always seen mobas as popamole garbage for people too dumb to play a real RTS but I've also never played one.

Will Dota 2 change my mind? I've heard it's the deepest game in its genre.

 

[hajro]

Yes

 

[Malakal]

I've always seen mobas as popamole garbage for people too dumb to play a real RTS but I've also never played one.

Will Dota 2 change my mind? I've heard it's the deepest game in its genre.

Its overall a very complex game actually and requires a lot of knowledge.

 

[InspectorRumpole]

I've always seen mobas as popamole garbage for people too dumb to play a real RTS but I've also never played one.

Will Dota 2 change my mind? I've heard it's the deepest game in its genre.

It's unique compared to other moba's in terms of complexity, knowledge and strategy - which also makes it have a steep learning curve

There's a newbee stream up for this year's International, which is supposedly pretty good

https://www.twitch.tv/dota2ti_newcomer