Do they have any means of promoting campaigns aside from featuring them on the front page (that's probably a substantial promotion at this point, but still does not justify the fees)?
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Yes, it's a robbery, but let's also not forget, that retailers and digital distribution platforms take a far bigger cut than that 10%
Monty
Arcane
The whole paypal thing is a bit confusing (as it is in most of these kickstarters). For instance the Kickstarter page states there are 1000 slots left at $25 - but have these been taken by paypal contributions? Or are the paypal payments unlimited?
We know paypal contributes to the stretch goals, but what is the paypal total? Could be $15k or $50k by now.
This happens with every game on kickstarter but it just makes it unclear whether the info on the kickstarter page means anything.
We know paypal contributes to the stretch goals, but what is the paypal total? Could be $15k or $50k by now.
This happens with every game on kickstarter but it just makes it unclear whether the info on the kickstarter page means anything.
I can't see any way how that could have happened - they would have to take the PayPal donation, cover the PayPal fees and pledge the money to their own KS campaign. Sounds retarded? That's because it would be.
AFAIK, PayPal gets "bonus slots" for limited tiers, but these tiers won't be available anymore through PP when all slots are taken on KS.
Torment did this too, but they manually adjusted the number of available slots on KS page as they were taken through PayPal.
Monty
Arcane
OK, but I thought there were limits on some of these tiers, for things like the number of DC copies they could offer due to other distribution agreements. So if the paypal doesn't count towards these limits it essentially means everything is unlimited? If a tier is filled on kickstarter you just use paypal?
That's all I'm getting at, it's not clear in some respects.
Monty
Arcane
Ah ok, that makes some sense if they're doing that. Would still like to know the paypal total to see how far it is to the 650k stretch goal...
Totally honest: the 150 all digital. No box, no shipping, and download it from someone else than our own Larianvault
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Very little as far as I can tell, and I agree that 10% is excessive now that we're dealing with multi-million dollar projects.
It's hard to say how much the kickstarter platform itself helps with the funding, though. Thanks to the internet (and especially Double Fine) kickstarter has become synonymous with "crowdfunding" and no one really goes anywhere else with a serious project. Indiegogo is the next largest site and most projects there get a fraction of what kickstarter gets. Even projects that first launched on indiegogo and then did a kickstarter campaign seem to get much more funding on kickstarter.
Unfortunately, they're pretty much solidified as the place to go. No one uses anything else unless they have to (Grimoire). There is absolutely no reason for them to voluntarily lower their fees.
That sounds about normal. Those paypal figures are always a fraction of what the kickstarter totals are.
So about that campaign the Codex is running. We got in contact with Myrthos from the Watch earlier, and agreed on:
$1000 = 5 extra digital copies, distribute as you see fit
$2000 = 10 extra digital copies, distribute as you see fit + a book written by RPGWatch (e.g. with lore about the Watch, namedropping allowed, approved by our writer)
$2500 = 20 extra digital copies, distribute as you see fit + book + a watchtower in the game like in their logo + reading the book gives a skill appropriate to the content
As you see, no talking books here, so keep ideas similar in terms of work to something like this.
About offering DC: we got green light to do this from our investors. We of course hope to still sell lots of DC copies through other channels once it's released. We do realize that we're not giving DC the attention it deserves at the moment, but as soon as KS is over, that's gonna change.
$1000 = 5 extra digital copies, distribute as you see fit
$2000 = 10 extra digital copies, distribute as you see fit + a book written by RPGWatch (e.g. with lore about the Watch, namedropping allowed, approved by our writer)
$2500 = 20 extra digital copies, distribute as you see fit + book + a watchtower in the game like in their logo + reading the book gives a skill appropriate to the content
As you see, no talking books here, so keep ideas similar in terms of work to something like this.
About offering DC: we got green light to do this from our investors. We of course hope to still sell lots of DC copies through other channels once it's released. We do realize that we're not giving DC the attention it deserves at the moment, but as soon as KS is over, that's gonna change.
Summonning DarkUnderlord.
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That's because that's what the internet does. It's a monopolist wet dream, a platform with wide word of mouth where you can service everyone that you can convince, which makes sellers got there 'at any cost' which makes users not look for anything else, closed 'os app shops' etc. Amazon itself is already devastating traditional publishing to the point they can blackmail them, and muscling in on their turf globally (and writers don't have it so good either, like the self-publishing 'trap' where they can't get readers unless they're really fucking stellar and also lucky)
If the TotalBastard interview materializes it should liven up things a bit.
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Could our campaign contributions go towards removing the watchtower?
Yeah I hope the totalbiscuit vid comes soon.
Monty
Arcane
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