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Divinity: Original Sin Pre-Release Thread
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This is also important for people who would be willing to change D:OS to a NWN2-like game. A server with 48/96 people, all of them can make a party, etc.
SCO
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Coming to the player's aid (== fighting another faction) does not require coordination with a variable number of party members. A 'truer' example of this kind of problem in scripts is to use a healing ability or a potion on all party members; round-robin until all are healed. Or a complex buffing script. One 'approach' to doing such things generically and easily are functions that operate on collections as well as instances, so for instance, instead of doing
Use(Has(Potion,PC1), Wounded(PC1))
(...more combinations...)
you'd do
Use(Has(Potion, party), Wounded(party)) <- party being dynamic so it doesn't get confused when separate
And it would work for any member of the party having a potion if there are wounded in the party (instead of them only can healing themselves or others by explicitly enumerating all possible combinations).
Of course, the script interface should return the appropriate objects so this kind of composition works (BGscript has nothing of this, so it's a pain to script stuff)
This has wider implications; it's the main reason there are not unlimited party members in the Infinity Engine and in Gemrb too: it would require one to rewrite all the tactical (and some of the cutscene) scripts that explicitly use the singular party references!
Sometimes you also want to affect the type of iteration with the same functions you'd use and then you truly get into fucked up realms of generic visitors that require a real programing language and real programmers; but for 99% of the uses a 'side-by-side' function (or even only functions operating on lists, if you can create them with singular members) that operates on lists - a better default would be circular lists where the head moves after a operation so 'everyone' in the party is doing something that minimizes duplicate orders, aka: round-robin - would be enough.
Another alternative is to use a normal 'for' construct - external iteration instead of internal - that is more flexible and simplifies the API but complicates the scripts and script language (for instance, to use a for effectively, you better have real variables).
Use(Has(Potion,PC1), Wounded(PC1))
(...more combinations...)
you'd do
Use(Has(Potion, party), Wounded(party)) <- party being dynamic so it doesn't get confused when separate
And it would work for any member of the party having a potion if there are wounded in the party (instead of them only can healing themselves or others by explicitly enumerating all possible combinations).
Of course, the script interface should return the appropriate objects so this kind of composition works (BGscript has nothing of this, so it's a pain to script stuff)
This has wider implications; it's the main reason there are not unlimited party members in the Infinity Engine and in Gemrb too: it would require one to rewrite all the tactical (and some of the cutscene) scripts that explicitly use the singular party references!
Sometimes you also want to affect the type of iteration with the same functions you'd use and then you truly get into fucked up realms of generic visitors that require a real programing language and real programmers; but for 99% of the uses a 'side-by-side' function (or even only functions operating on lists, if you can create them with singular members) that operates on lists - a better default would be circular lists where the head moves after a operation so 'everyone' in the party is doing something that minimizes duplicate orders, aka: round-robin - would be enough.
Another alternative is to use a normal 'for' construct - external iteration instead of internal - that is more flexible and simplifies the API but complicates the scripts and script language (for instance, to use a for effectively, you better have real variables).
Kirkpatrick
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Some editor quotes from Larian made during Reddit session:
Actually, spells are exposed in data files, so you can change their values and even "link" to different visuals
You can even "inherit" an existing spell and create a new one based on it.
It's the actual toolset that our designers and artists use, so it's not as "user friendly" as Microsoft WordThat may mean that learning curve is steep, but if you know the basics, it's already fun to play around with. And you can always jump into the data of the campaign that ships with the game to see how we pulled off certain things.
Actually, we do.
It was confirmed multple times that You can create modules with party size up to six.
They've chosen to go with two character party due to the interactive dialogue being to complicated with more.
Hmm, but can you have henchmen and summons on top of that?
Some editor quotes from Larian made during Reddit session:
Actually, spells are exposed in data files, so you can change their values and even "link" to different visuals
You can even "inherit" an existing spell and create a new one based on it.
It's the actual toolset that our designers and artists use, so it's not as "user friendly" as Microsoft Word
I like the sound of it. But I'm curious how will they program archery and bow combat. I hope they won't just stop at normal arrows - magic arrows - poison arrows like most RPGs do. I wish for an RPG to do this sort of thing - when you see an enemy, you have to make a decision. Do I want to use a combat arrow, hunting arrow (if it's an animal), armor piercing arrow, chain mail piercing arrow or a magical arrow (if I'm facing some magical creature). Also if you have poison on you, it could be added to all of those types. And of course you have to buy all arrow types separately and keep them in your quiver. So for example you don't want you use all of your piercing arrows on some giant rodents, because later you can encounter a black knight who will not want to stop fighting even with his limbs chopped off. (That obviously means arrows should run out and when they do you have attack with your bow as a melee weapon or change to dagger/short sword/mace).
Swords should work in similar fashion and become dull or break over time. It would be nice to have some algorithm that calculates the dulling of the sword. For example if I'm hitting something rather soft like an Orc's belly, the dulling should me small. But when I fought several knights in plate armors and bashed them over their armored head. Well that's a different story. It would force the player to use different weapons against different enemies. Like for example when fighting with someone who uses skins and leathers armors I don't want to use a sword. I want something to cut that. Like a saber. Or when I'm fighting with a group of enemies with spears I want to use a double-handed sword to counter their reach. In the game you can carry barrels (at least in the pre-alpha build) in your pockets, so carrying several swords wouldn't be such a problem.
But that's probably wishing for too much. Though I wonder if it's going to be possible to create mods for those things.
In the stream at the end of Kickstarter campaign. They both had a henchman recruited. So yeah, they had basically had a party of four.
SCO
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Well, tbh people wanting more than six party members are usually those people that have to check all romances on a single playthrough.
But i like the elegance of a game engine that can scale seamlessly from solo to dozens; oh well at least it's scriptable (unlike, say; JA2, which does the unlimited party stuff well enough).
But i like the elegance of a game engine that can scale seamlessly from solo to dozens; oh well at least it's scriptable (unlike, say; JA2, which does the unlimited party stuff well enough).
Oh and more thing, that annoyed me a little during the stream. What is with the Orc females?
Orc males look like gorillas but Orc females like She Hulk with a boob job. I understand that something like gender dimorphism exists, but it here it was taken into an absurd levels. If it was done because player will be able to fuck an Orc female? Because I'm warning you Larian. If there's gonna be such an option I gonna do it! You sick, lovable fucks.
Orc males look like gorillas but Orc females like She Hulk with a boob job. I understand that something like gender dimorphism exists, but it here it was taken into an absurd levels. If it was done because player will be able to fuck an Orc female? Because I'm warning you Larian. If there's gonna be such an option I gonna do it! You sick, lovable fucks.
Sorry for being unclear, I meant additional hired/summoned characters on top of the 6 PC limit.
Since Larian are already considering upping the henchman/companion limit to four in the main campaign, I'm guessing that summons can still be added to the party if we already have six characters.
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It would be interesting if you could change change the code from 6 players up to 64 (or more) to allow larger mods.
Reminds me... Can you make changes to a map while its "running" it would be kinda nice to have for example premade code that a "DM" could use to create new events for the player (ofc you can make new premade code in the editor) but what i mean is that its events / situations where all you have to do is drag something out and then link it to the areas that should trigger it.
Reminds me... Can you make changes to a map while its "running" it would be kinda nice to have for example premade code that a "DM" could use to create new events for the player (ofc you can make new premade code in the editor) but what i mean is that its events / situations where all you have to do is drag something out and then link it to the areas that should trigger it.
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I know but it would be interesting with a system that allow one to edit the map when its running and to have someone create new content when its running.
But anyway i hope one can change the max limit on the number of players.
By the way if we connect to someone and they have another map will we download it or will it say that its running on another map and then kick you out?
Where did you actually get the whole "six players in custom modules" part? Are you certain it wasn't about having six player characters instead?
'cuz that'd be changing the whole server infrastructure quite radically to accommodate something they never use in the first place...
'cuz that'd be changing the whole server infrastructure quite radically to accommodate something they never use in the first place...
Arkeus
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This is called Ironman mode + inviting a friend for co-op who kills you and then kills himself.
Overboard
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Just cut into thin strips and serve in a paper cone. Samurai sauce is optional.
The engine supports up to 5 players connecting to another game => 6 players. Our campaign is 1 host + 1 friend joining, but modders can make a 6 player mod. I'll have to check on the exact number, could be 4 max, but I do believe it was 6.
They don't serve fries in paper cones in Belgium.
Can a group of 6 players still use a summon spell? As in, if you use a summon in combat, you would now have 7 players.
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Of course we do. (Well, it's rarer and rarer, but still exists).
Well, we got them in paper or plastic boxes in Flanders. 
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