Decline 23: NATIONGEN Edition

[Isiloon]

question - do heat + cold auras cancel out

 

[Dayyālu]

I am starting to have Vivisector flashbacks.

It's funny to realize that they indeed have electrical discharge, but no lightining resist, making them hilarious depending on bless choices.

Also, Matalarata , the Giant Flying Mechanical Midgets were the sacred units of good old Grimmie in the First Wasteland Game (a game where every province bar cap had like 500 people). It was a silly and great game.

Problem is, Grimmie's sacreds were some kind of unholy Thug-sized Protection 20 Enc 0 Fire Cold Lightining Bludgeon resist obsidian armed things and he got (if I remember right) something like N9E9W9 on them.

The amount of rape he dished out (I won a single battle against a small force of the things) was enough that even a developer of Japanese underage mass-rape games would have had ethical problems in seeing it. Luckily for us, the mod is lost to the mists of time (I checked the thread and my archives) and all the images went the way of the dodo thanks to Net. The only one I could salvage was thanks to Dreaad (poor fucker).

It's KoolNoodles' God trying to stop the murderrapemachines.

Also, both my Dominions victories (not counting Disciples, I won a ton of those) are with Nationgen. Skellitons and Lizards, if I remember right....

EDIT: ALSO I NEED THE LINK I DONT HAVE ALL NIGHT HERE

 

[Dayyālu]

Isiloon, the problem is with Nation 7, xArp something. Care to share the .dm file to correct the mistake?

Doesn't play well with non-standard settings on Windows, it seems, as both I and Grimmie get the same problem.

 

[Isiloon]

I get the same thing...

kk will upload now... theres 1363 files for the folder..

 

[Isiloon]

https://drive.google.com/open?id=11FJtxu8xJklibHIg9WkRlPRhiiwBoQBc

 

[Infinitum]

Unzipped the first file to the mods folder and didn't have any problems. So if I got this right everyone gets a pick of 3 randomly selected nations then? Might as well get that over then before gettting our hopes up..

Edit: wait, i'm an illiterate idiot. Hmm. There are a few ok nations, but the vast majority looks trashy. Be interesting to see hpw pivk 10 competes.

 

[Isiloon]

No - we give everyone an RNG number and highest numbers go first

I'll roll for everyone now

 

[Isiloon]

for even rolls I will rerolled to unbreak the tie.

this is the order of the picks

mondblut - 20
Dayyālu - 14 -14
Isiloon - 14 - 12
Muty - 14 - 3
coldcrow - 12 -7
Infinitum - 12 -5
Grimwulf - 11
Grif - 9

 

[Infinitum]

Muh hopes and dreams

 

[Grimwulf]

Still doesn't work for me. Tried uploading new package and recreating nations myself using random seed. The game crashes when I use Isiloon's drm, and the program somehow refuses to create nations.

Maybe it's a sign. I'll pass this game.

 

[mondblut]

We could try to fix that umlaut thingy manually. I can see it becoming an issue in file paths for codepage-challenged minorities. These snowniggers and their codepage privelege...

I win! Right, Comhich it is.


ed: wait, how many recpoints?

 

[coldcrow]

Yup, you pay for those insane troops But those Spiderrides are p. sick, considering you keep the upkeep-free spider.

 

[coldcrow]

Rithki is absolute OP. Centaur roster, N4/E1 casters out of the box, great diversity (just missing water) and that Just Master is a GREAT chassis to stick various items on.

 

[Dayyālu]

Mondblut gets best pick and I get second?

Amusing.

Still doesn't work for me. Tried uploading new package and recreating nations myself using random seed. The game crashes when I use Isiloon's drm, and the program somehow refuses to create nations.

Maybe it's a sign. I'll pass this game.

Set your system locale to English, and manually rename the files or download Isiloon's ones. It does not like Slavic settings.

I'll need half a day to choose, I did not have even the time to check the nations and I have to choose if to eat, sleep, meet my relatives on Easter or play Dominions.

Everything will be done.

In time.

 

[Dayyālu]

I'll be cruel: as NationGen spawns, 90% of the nations are unviable or crappy. Few interesting mages or sacreds, particularly compared to our previous games. Furthermore, summons in Conj are broken as I see everywhere Caelian and Agarthan spells. And Dai Onis.

I'd even suggest to redo the spawns with Crazy Sacred Power or something.

Paredolcia would be tempting if every fucking mage wasn't a berserker, but I guess I'll pick one of the few nations with "character" and a viable playstyle.

Dushalpaknia, Minaret of Steam it is.

 

[KoolNoodles]

I am starting to have Vivisector flashbacks.

AHEM. That was my god, leading the "Atlantis" nationgen on a desert wasteland map. There was one "sea", I conquered it.

 

[Isiloon]

Still doesn't work for me. Tried uploading new package and recreating nations myself using random seed. The game crashes when I use Isiloon's drm, and the program somehow refuses to create nations.

Maybe it's a sign. I'll pass this game.

Come on Grimwulf - who's going to play the "don't talk to me I'm busy being dark and brooding whilst autisticly micromanaging every unit and their dog" guy

 

[Grimwulf]

I am Sirius. Can't make it work.

Carry on without me.

 

[Isiloon]

oh it's my pick... let me do some testing and ill post shortly.

some of the nations get recruit any fort sacreds by the way.. but the sacreds are so-so

EDIT - thinking outloud

I thought Pareldocia was OP ... but lack of good priests and even though their sacreds are tarantulas with glamor and stealth... they dont get web and protection is average... and more expensive than normal tarantula knights.

Considering Shela - summons are rubbish...(no late game) but

they get a recruit-anywhere SLT earth 3 mage with 25 production bonus.... they also get a 100 mana 2-earth mage.. and a national spell that gives them communion via earth magic.
So potentially just horde tanky troops and earthquake/bladewind spammers.. unfortunately they seem to be 1-trick-pony and worst of all only get a single level 1 priest ;D

There's Qurgya that gets these badass flying knights which is awesome.

Spoiler

Sacreds are so so.... 6/10

They get Sirrush because, why not...

late game any of their capital mages can cast volcanic eruption...

thinking thinking...

Zris is obviously good, but i dont really like their commanders... no good communion slaves.. and their mages being heavily stacked into fire is kinda meh... great sacreds and flying non-demonic heavy-plate demons is gangster.

Raqris looks pretty good.. their infantry is less gimicky than Zris.. drops regeneration for an extra 6 protection which is good... much better offense with the flail... They get full-plate crossbowmen with shields.. which is pretty good but fucking expensive...

Most appealing they have 45 gold sabbath slaves.

...

Caessedigh gets pretty scary assassins...

gift of water-breathing sacred and non-sacred giants that turn into giant spiders... and hydras... hmmm... plenty of thuggable mages aaaaand I think i'm sold... just going to playtest Qurgya vs Caessedigh

EDIT 2 -

Damn this is hard picking between those 2... one gets tons of thugs and out-of-the-box guys who can cast MOAK...

On the other hand, we have huge evo spells.. infinite resources coupled with badass flying heavy infantry

Okay - upon seeing they have "ancient professor of metal" I think I'm sold and I dont even like heavy metal.. just love the theme of these guys and Caessedigh probably stronger and I will regret it but whatever.

Final verdict -

Qurgya, The Passionate Circle

 

[Infinitum]

(Psst, Muty)

 

[Isiloon]

Given how Qurgya really wants turmoil scales.. i'm very tempted to take statue of war, or Panzilla pretender... but Panzilla doesn't really give you good bless potential except blood surge/blood bond...

While the statue gives you tons of barbarians which is so nice to cushion early expansion... but with statue get no magic diversity at all

guess i'll have to splash astral and go for teleporting 40 protection statue of war and flying earthquake mages... and when people counter that I'll counter their counter with mass volcanic-eruption mages.

 

[Infinitum]

I was sort of hoping it would pass on as well, but man it pulls in different directions. You want drain scales for the mundane researcher and a decent bless for the thuggable priest and decent sacreds, yet your best thug chassis isn't sacred without astral access, and you want to mass it in forts due to the resource bonus and resourcw intensivw troops. Decisions, decisions..

 

[Grif]

Good thing I'm last. I been away for the past three days, and only starting to catch up on things again.

Can report have no trouble loading the mod here, though the misspelled nation seems weird.

 

[mondblut]

Someone needs to pick Öarp and knock half the pretenders out from the game before it even begins. That's what I call flawless victory.

 

[Isiloon]

Muty you bastard, hurry up and pick.

Grimwulf do you want me to zip my mod directory