Dark Sun : Wake of the Ravager is underrated.

[mkultra]

Damn, game is big, 450mb in comparison to around 6mb for shattered lands.. yeah, i would expect better animations for such big game, almost Fallout sized.. still, it's a damn hassle to make those anims, totally depends on how long they had, i can see how such things can get scrapped with restricted budget and time..

 

[Rostere]

Yes.

 

[Ol' Willy]

still, it's a damn hassle to make those anims

Week or two of work for a team of sprite artists that were already employed

Each race, each weapon class, every angle, not that much; most likely floppy disk capacity limitations are to blame

 

[mkultra]

still, it's a damn hassle to make those anims

Week or two of work for a team of sprite artists that were already employed

Each race, each weapon class, every angle, not that much; most likely floppy disk capacity limitations are to blame

450MB on floppy discs, must have been like 20 lol.. not sure how many games from this time period really bothered with those animations, probably not too many. Ultima 7 came out years earlier and looked far better though + didn't take up that amount of space either.

 

[Ol' Willy]

450MB on floppy discs, must have been like 20 lol.

I'm obviously talking about DS which did came on floppy disks

 

[ghostdog]

450mb is the CD version with digitized voice and music (as CD tracks). The original Floppy version of Wake of The Ravager is 11MB.

 

[mkultra]

ah cool, never knew there was two versions.

 

[Sykar]

If Borys is lv 30/30 psionist/defiler, I wonder how strong rajaat is...

never been given stats, at this level of power its CR50 greater god .

No stats needed. Greater gods -> instant death.

 

[Lord_Potato]

still, it's a damn hassle to make those anims

Week or two of work for a team of sprite artists that were already employed

Each race, each weapon class, every angle, not that much; most likely floppy disk capacity limitations are to blame

450MB on floppy discs, must have been like 20 lol.. not sure how many games from this time period really bothered with those animations, probably not too many. Ultima 7 came out years earlier and looked far better though + didn't take up that amount of space either.

450 MB is more like 300+ floppies...

 

[mkultra]

still, it's a damn hassle to make those anims

Week or two of work for a team of sprite artists that were already employed

Each race, each weapon class, every angle, not that much; most likely floppy disk capacity limitations are to blame

450MB on floppy discs, must have been like 20 lol.. not sure how many games from this time period really bothered with those animations, probably not too many. Ultima 7 came out years earlier and looked far better though + didn't take up that amount of space either.

450 MB is more like 300+ floppies...

Nah, not compressed. But 20 is probably a bit low

 

[Azalin]

ah cool, never knew there was two versions.

Many games of that era came out in two version(floppies and CD with voice),the CD was something new and offered huge space larger than most HDDs of that era but games were still relatively small,under 50mbs.So many companies didn't know what to do with the extra space and used it mainly for voice overs,a few had used it for better graphics too like SVGA resolution.

 

[mkultra]

ah cool, never knew there was two versions.

Many games of that era came out in two version(floppies and CD with voice),the CD was something new and offered huge space larger than most HDDs of that era but games were still relatively small(10-30mbs).So many companies didn't know what to do with the extra space and used it mainly for voice overs,a few had used it for better graphics too like SVGA resolution.

You're right, i remember i had a few games on floppy first, then i upgraded to CD version. Perhaps Kings Quest or some other adventure game which later came with voices.

 

[e-mailio estevez]

Seeing every half-giant with the same balding hairdo in this game really bugs me for some reason.

 

[Cryomancer]

I know that is a noob question. But there is any way to disable mouse acceleration on dosbox?

 

[Excommunicator]

Yes, the bugs and visual quirks do get in the way, but the game is highly underrated.

The game has really fun encounters and dialogue and some of the most interesting locations that you'll get to visit in a single RPG.

 

[gothfox]

I remember liking second one better than first. I managed to get a broken version at first and couldn't pass into illithid caves, so I had to get a different cracked exe somewhere (going by the time period, probably through fidonet) and restart from the beginning because the saves were incompatible. Good times.

edit: I played both after FO and BG1 series and it was somewhat surprising that there were actual choices and consequences.

 

[Cryomancer]

The game has really fun encounters and dialogue and some of the most interesting locations that you'll get to visit in a single RPG.

Agreed. The game is a amazing flawed gem. If it had less bugs and a better sprite work, would be way more popular.

 

[overtenemy]

I had the CD version way back when, and even then I always got the bug where jumping into a tapestrry dumped me out onto the halfling map. Replaying it again with a copy I downloaded, I couldn't even get down to the umber hulks. Just put me somewhere in Tyr. Is there some way to avoid this bullshit so after 25 or whatever the hell years I can finally beat it and see if Wake is indeed underrated?

 

[Cryomancer]

I couldn't even get down to the umber hulks. Just put me somewhere in Tyr.

I never experienced such bug; sorry but I can't help you...

 

[0sacred]

Loved the Dark Sun setting having played in a tabletop game for years but one thing that annoyed me about these games was that no matter what weapon you were wielding it wasn't reflected on your avatar

yeah... so fun to animate additional hundreds of frames with all the different weapons varieties, for every character, and from every side. Also games were on floppy disks, that kind of work is both extremely time consuming, many hundreds, if not thousands, of hours of work + takes lots of additional space too. I'm honestly impressed by the 2D games where this is actually reflected.

funny, they must have put in those thousand gazillion hours to compose the trailer. Then they scrapped wepon sprites from the game, as a big fuck you to their customers I guess.

 

[mkultra]

Loved the Dark Sun setting having played in a tabletop game for years but one thing that annoyed me about these games was that no matter what weapon you were wielding it wasn't reflected on your avatar

yeah... so fun to animate additional hundreds of frames with all the different weapons varieties, for every character, and from every side. Also games were on floppy disks, that kind of work is both extremely time consuming, many hundreds, if not thousands, of hours of work + takes lots of additional space too. I'm honestly impressed by the 2D games where this is actually reflected.

funny, they must have put in those thousand gazillion hours to compose the trailer. Then they scrapped wepon sprites from the game, as a big fuck you to their customers I guess.

how do you know it's finished for all characters? it's also not "weapon sprites" it's sprites overall, this is not 3D where that's very quick to do in comparison to animating characters with perhaps 20 different weapons, then also take into account the varieties of armors they can wear using a specific weapon, so it's a ton of combinations that has to be done. That takes time + also space. It's also rare that developers intentionally makes the game worse as a "fuck you", to sell less games and get worse reviews etc. time is usually the reason why stuff is scrapped.

 

[0sacred]

how do you know it's finished for all characters? it's also not "weapon sprites" it's sprites overall, this is not 3D where that's very quick to do in comparison to animating characters with perhaps 20 different weapons, then also take into account the varieties of armors they can wear using a specific weapon, so it's a ton of combinations that has to be done. That takes time + also space. It's also rare that developers intentionally makes the game worse as a "fuck you", to sell less games and get worse reviews etc. time is usually the reason why stuff is scrapped.

Displaying armor was never in the books, though yes, granted, you'd need to do each type of character separately, though enemy types tend to use the same weapons always (the lootable ones, anyway). Draaj soldiers always carry bone swords and bows, halflings always slings, etc. Also, interestingly enough we don't see actual melee attacks in the trailer. So yes this was scrapped to get it out the door. I'd still be pissed if I saw that trailer before playing the game.

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

Weapon sprites eh? ... That reminds me of games like The Summoning (also SSI) that had an assortment of sprites.